"Olbermann's happier than he's been in years, thanks to girlfriend Katy Tur"

[sabra]

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/entertainment/16868901.htm

<snip>

These days, Olbermann's happier than he's been in years, thanks to girlfriend Katy Tur, 23, a freelance cable producer in New York.

He's older than her father. They've been dating since June. She moved into his place in October - the first live-in girlfriend of Olbermann's life.

"We're each actually about 9," he says. "We get along really well. In many respects, she's much more mature than I am."

An only child growing up in the suburbs of New York, Olbermann says he was "perfectly content in my own company." (He lived in a single dorm room at Cornell.) Now he's thinking about marriage and children.

Olbermann says the impediment is that Tur's not ready, but "if I wait much longer, my kids will have to carry me to their high school graduation."

[Stuckinthebush]

1. 23???

Wow..ok.

I can only think that such a relationship won't last. Interesting. I didn't see Keith as the type to date a 23 year old.

[wildbilln864]

3. Well me either but...

more power to him! If they are both happy then that's great for them.

[Stuckinthebush]

12. Agreed

but skeptical.

I would contend that this is a fun relationship that is based in the physical not the mental/emotional. It is very difficult for two people at such different points in their lives to truly bond mentally. This especially goes for someone with Keith's insight and reflexive nature.

[Sydnie]

14. I don't agree with that in all cases

My father was 40 and my mother was 17 when they got married (second marriage for him, first for her) and I am the last of 5 kids, so it worked out well for them it seems. Granted, that was many decades ago, but if two people connect on that level, they can make it work quite well.

If I was 23, I'd could be interested in Keith, absolutely.

[Stuckinthebush]

43. Not an absolute by any means

but a general observation. The gap is very hard to overcome.

[MADem]

30. Not at all. He has mentioned her on air, obliquely referring to her as

a "west coast correspondent" for the show. It was a nudge-nudge, wink-wink. She only graduated college in 05 (Univ California Santa Barbara).

It's serious. And he is the smitten one, probably more than she is. That's my take.

[Stuckinthebush]

44. I'm sure he is smitten

and I still contend that it is very hard to overcome such a gap in maturity in an emotional relationship.

[ellisonz]

115. Ewww...UCSB aka the University of Casual Sex and Beer. But it's Keith's life. Who am I to judge?

[MADem]

208. WHAT??? I have been MISINFORMED!!!

I thought it was Cannabis, Sex and Beer!

[ellisonz]

213. Yes, yes you have...the Cannabis is all at Santa Cruz (The Banana Slugs) wink wink.

1. University of Casual Sex and Beer
31 up, 3 down
The university in Santa Barbara, California, better known as UCSB. Due to the concerns of parents who do not want their children exposed to casual sex and beer, the UC Board of Regents changed the school's name to the University of California, Santa Barbara.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=University+of+Casual+Sex+and+Beer

[WinkyDink]

85. It worked for Justice William O.Douglas (and Charlie Chaplin, among others).

Love knows no age. And maybe she's brilliant. And/or, you know, other stuff. ;)

[MADem]

97. Her daddy's rich, and her mama's good looking.

So is she....

[Manifestor_of_Light]

121. My momma was rich, and my daddy was good looking....

But dad was only ten years older than Mom.

I don't think it's the age difference as much as the generational difference that matters.

[MADem]

143. See her background elsewhere in this thread. She's no wide eyed innocent.

Her father is quite .... sophisticated! And well known in the TV/media industry out on the West Coast. And RICH.

[Stuckinthebush]

133. LOL...."and/or...the other stuff"

Indeed...indeed.

[SusanaMontana41]

137. lol!

:rofl:

I'm just disappointed to know that KO is off the market ... rats.

[NewJeffCT]

19. Men have been doing that since time began practically

so, I'm not surprised that it happens with anybody - I mean, didn't Marilyn Monroe express interest in Albert Einstein back in the day?

Ted Kennedy is more than 20 years older than his wife.
I believe Chris Dodd is also quite a bit older than his wife...

[MADem]

33. When you hit fifty, time compresses.

Ted's first wife Joan was in his range. If he hadn't philandered and she hadn't gotten smashed all the time, it would have worked. They actually did like each other once upon a time. But together they were toxic.

When he married Vicki, in 1992, he was coming round on SEVENTY. At that stage, you're looking for someone to tell you your fly is unzipped and that your glasses are on your head.

But Vicki is fifty two or three now--so it's more than a twenty year difference! More like THIRTY!

And as for Marilyn, she had that marriage with Arthur Miller, and though that was only an 11 year difference, it seemed like more...!

[dflprincess]

48. Ted was born in 1932

if his wife is 53 now she was born in 1953 or 1954 (depending on when she turns 54) so the age diffence is closer to 20 years

[MADem]

60. You're right. Vicki was born in fifty four. I was thinking of Jack in terms of age! NT

[dflprincess]

71. If Jack were still alive, he'd be turning 90 this year

hard to imagine

[Cha]

158. That is hard to imagine cause

he was taken so young.

[MADem]

35. You steal the woman's YOUTH, you see...and then, you live FOREVER!!!

You'd think humanity would figure out, after all these years, that it doesn't work. No matter how young your wife is, you're gonna DIE.

Of course, almost certainly they already have figured out it doesn't work, but they aren't letting on, for obvious reasons...

[NewJeffCT]

39. I don't think it's just that

I think it's often the guy wanting a "trophy" as it were - I'm not saying that is the case with Olbermann at all - and he is also a celebrity. But, I'm sure it is the case with many of these older men & younger women.

With me, it was a bit different, I think. When I was in high school, I never dated. In college, I hardly dated, and that continued througout my 20s until I met my now ex-wife. We got divorced when I was 33, and suddenly all those very attractive college-aged women that didn't give me the time of day back in colllege were suddenly interested - and, I mean women that were 18-22 years old when I was 33, not the women that were in college when I was in college. It's really kind of hard for a guy to say "no" when you're in a situation like that. I can't picture many guys saying, "Well, you're beautiful, smart, have a great personality and want to screw my brains out... but, you're a few years too young for me, sorry."

That said, I ended up getting remarried to a woman that is fairly close to my age - though she looks younger.

[MADem]

57. Well, I was being a bit facetious. If you've never seen the film

MOONSTRUCK, or if you have seen it, but not recently, it's worth a look just for the admonition that Olympia Dukakis, as Loretta's mother, gives to her philandering husband: {b]No matter whatcha do, yer gonna DIE!!!"

That whole riff in that film about "the wolf" is just a scream. As are the assorted 'moonstruck' subplots. One of my favorite films of all times, frankly, from Gianni the wuss heading back to Sicilia becausa-mama is a-gonna die, to the grampa bellowing "non tirare!" at the dogs!

[Stuckinthebush]

40. Yep

A feminist analysis of this would be fascinating.

[a kennedy]

62. Jerry Seinfeld......isn't his wife much younger then he???

Is that grammatically correct??

[MODemocrat]

79. Chris Dodd told Jon Stewart that he has two small children

It sounded as if he might be married to a younger woman. How old is he? His white hair probably belies
his real age, though. He seems real nice.

If someone can find someone younger than themselves, more power to them. Most of us oldies are certainly not any fun. :boring: :boring: :boring:

[NewJeffCT]

80. Born in May of 1944

So, he will be 63 in May.

I think his wife is in her 40s, but I am not sure.

[Contrite]

119. Ted Kennedy's wife is a lot younger. n/t

[cmkramer]

175. I don't know how old - or young - she is

But I recently read an article about her. She's a Mormon from Utah who comes from a Republican family. Apparently, though, they're crazy about the Senator.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

193. There was a profile of Chris Dodd in Esquire in the early 80s

And it was favorable, like he was going to run for president.
He was really cute back then, and I think his hair was gray then.

"I believe in God and Senator Dodd and keepin' old Castro down" -- Draft Dodger Rag
Only that was Chris Dodd's daddy.

[shadowknows69]

31. Lol, well apparently you don't know Keith.

Way to send positive vibes for his relationship. Sheesh, is this the People Magazine forum?

[Stuckinthebush]

42. No, just the critical analysis forum

Sorry if you mistook a legitimate critical social analysis as people magazine fodder.

It is always interesting to examine the societal forces and issues surrounding the romantic relationship of a 48/49 year old man with a 23 year old woman. This just begs for a nice feminist analysis, or at the very least, a psychoanalysis.

[blondeatlast]

58. My husband is 12 years my junior and we've been married 11 years, dating 5 years before that.

Care to remotely analyze my relationship?

[MADem]

74. Demi Moore, is that you???

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

87. Oh, that's a knee-slapper, that one... nt

[MADem]

91. Well, she looks better than her husband....IMO... NT

[Stuckinthebush]

103. Would love to

Remote analysis is a blast.

Anyway...12 years your junior is hardly 26 years. Big difference.

Fact of the matter is that there is a huge gap in age between Keith and his girlfriend. It won't last...but that's ok, it doesn't have to last. They are both having fun right now and that is all that matters.

[stevedeshazer]

187. Cool -- my wife is seven years older than I

Together 25 years, married for 20 of 'em.

No analysis needed.

[LeftyMom]

118. No, it really doesn't

Presumably you don't know him (or her,) you're not either party's parent, priest or doctor and it's nobody else's business but theirs.

[Stuckinthebush]

132. Uh huh...OK...so analysis is totally off limits then

The funny thing to me about this entire thread is that if we were talking about a 49 year old Tucker Carlson or any conservative commentator, the posts would have a different tone.

A 49 year old man in a romantic relationship with a 23 year old woman should indeed raise eyebrows. Of course they can do what they want. They are both adults after all (although she is barely one).

The fact of the matter is that they are from different generations...hell they are TWO generations apart. I'm reminded of Steely Dan's song "Hey Nineteen". They can't dance together...they can't talk at all. She probably doesn't even know the Queen of Soul!

This is nothing new, however. Here you have a very wealthy older man with fame. A starry eyed young girl meets famous older rich guy and starts dating him. She would never give this guy the time of day if he was not Keith Olbermann because he could be her father. On the other side of the equation, you have rich old guy who sees young, beautiful girl and thinks, "Wow! I wonder if I can pull this one off?!"

I know, I know...I'll get a thousand replies saying "You don't know them!" in good Rikki Lake show fashion. Indeed, I do not "know" them. I don't understand the depths of their love and commitment. I have no idea how mature she is and/or how emotionally immature he is. Perhaps I am wildly off base in my cynicism. I love Keith Olbermann...I have great respect for the man. I think that is why this bothers me. As my wife the psychiatrist said after I told her of his love interest, "I thought that Keith had deeper insight than that."

In 20 years when they have their three children together and their big house in Malibu and she is a 43 year old woman happily married to a 69 year old man, then you and others will be vindicated. However, what is likely to happen, the excitement will wear off, she will grow emotionally and mentally as all 23 year olds do, the allure of a big TV news star will fade, he will become bored with his conversations, and they will part ways the best of friends.

Keith may very well say to himself one day soon, "She thinks I'm crazy, but I'm just growin old. Hey twenty-three." Best of luck to them both.

[MADem]

141. Far be it from me to spoil the fun!

I think the whole thing is a hoot! And the absolute anger about this story and the affiliated 'bad hookup' business is telling. I say 'analyze away!' If if were Dildo Really and a 23 year old, we'd be all over him like a cheap suit!

I differ from you, though, in being 'disappointed' in him. As I've said elsewhere, I think he is socially immature, a late bloomer. It's not a quesiton of insight, it's a question of how mature he is in his personal interactions. Some folks NEVER grow up--at least he's not chasing fifteen year olds. And that immaturity in his private life doesn't really have anything to do with his ability to do his Countdown job. OTOH, he could just be a horny middle aged man--they exist, too!!

The young lady, too, might well be a bit more sophisticated than the average lass her age -- her father is the infamous "Chopper Bob" Tur, who owns LANS (LA News Svc) is rich as Roosevelt and a serial suer (for use of his footage beyond fair use--and he wins, too. He's going after YOUTUBE now, I think). They aren't a terribly, shall we say, 'classy' family, but they are RICH. She only has one brother, so she stands to inherit a boatload. Of course, Daddy (who used to squire Carrie Fisher there for a time) is about the same age as her boyfriend...so...!

In terms of money, though--she's doing at least as well as KO is, assuming her inheritance is safe. And connections? TV stations around the world suck up to her Dad. It's how she got a producer job at one of the largest West Coast TV stations straight out of college. Unless she's gotten work at one of the networks (and who wouldn't hire her to get access to her Paw's footage? I sure would!) , someone has to be backing her as a freelancer in NYC--odds are it is Daddy.

[Stuckinthebush]

144. Really?

Her father is Keith's age? I assumed that he was an older man and she was his youngest. That is a huge stretch to be romantically involved with someone the same age as your father. Very Freudian though!

I think the conversation is a hoot too!

[MADem]

148. He's been in LA for going on 30 years.

He's a helo pilot, a reporter, he's actually 'acted' in a couple of pics (playing, guess what--a helo pilot and reporter!!!) and he owns a major news service that provides unique video product --- and he's certainly older than KO (who's pushing fifty--he's 47 now). But, it ain't by very much, and he looks damned good for his age. I'll say this, anyway--I'd wager he's closer in age to KO than KO is to his daughter.

Here's a Freudian tidbit--Bob Tur is a winner of the EDWIN R. MURROW award (and we know how KO feels about ERM) and he has won Emmys and other awards too (the elusive PEABODY, as well--wouldn't lying Dildo Really be jealous!!!)--he has a long and well-known CV. Chopper Bob is a real "manly man" and larger-than-life character; if you made a movie about all of his exploits people would say "Oh bullshit, that could NEVER happen!" He's rescued people with his helo, lost his chopper license for interfering with the police, he's been excoriated subsequently for NOT interfering (the Reginald Denny footage) and he's rescued soldiers in ISRAEL, of all places. He really is the stuff that movies are made of.

The mother (and ex-wife--they are still friends and partners) Marika used to be a print reporter for the LA TIMES, then she became a TV reporter at the LA NBC affiliate, and then she hooked up with Bob at LANS. http://www.highdefinition.net/ (They're going into HD in a serious way, but the site is still under construction, see all the 'latin' gibberish place holding for the text).

So, the young lady in question is the product of not one, but two reporters, and has roots in the TV news biz. It's, as they say, "In The Blood."

It's damn near impossible to find a pic of the guy, even on that film site where they show premiere pics and so forth, and this, despite the fact that he's been in a few movies--but here's a thumbnail of him with his ex-wife Marika (she owns a chunk of LANS too). He looks pretty much like this still:



His daughter is quite attractive, slim, blonde (or at least she was a while ago--I notice nowadays that the fashion is going to dark hair, so who knows). Finding a pic of her is quite the exercise -- no luck, yet. She's not especially unusual looking, but nice.

[MADem]

173. I stand corrected. He IS older than her father, per the OP cite

He's older than her father. They've been dating since June. She moved into his place in October - the first live-in girlfriend of Olbermann's life.

[politicat]

209. When I was 23, I would have resented being called only barely an adult.

By that point, I had 7 years of college, 4 years of full time work, and had been supporting myself entirely for 7 years. (I went to school early, to be certain, but...)

I considered myself MORE than a full adult, and would have considered you a condescending fool to discount my abilities and emotional stability entirely on a single number over which I had no control.

I know more 40+ types that have less emotional stability now than I did at 18 or 21 (or now, for that matter) than I do stable and functional 40+, and some 60 year olds that will never have the poise and intellectual stamina that I have now. I also know some teenagers that would blow you away with their self-awareness.

I remind you of the Durants -- 20 year age difference there, but he married her at 13, and they were together for the rest of their lives, dying effectively within hours of each other. (Will went into hospital for a heart problem; Ariel wasn't well at the time and stopped eating. She died, and when Will finally found out (i.e. she died for him), several days later, his heart stopped within hours of his learning.)

Good for them. I wish them the best and refuse to be judgmental on a situation I know nothing about.

[Stuckinthebush]

215. Condescending fool, you say?

I guess you are totally correct. Why, your anecdotal experience proves that all 23 year olds are wise beyond their years. I don't know what I was thinking stating that a 23 year old is barely considered an adult compared to a 49 year old. What a fool I am!

OK...let's cut the crap.

Here is the reality. A 23 year old is not well suited for a deep, meaningful relationship with a 49 year old (older than her father I now find out). Can this be an anomaly that transcends time and space? Well, sure there is that possibility, but it is not probable. You can throw out anecdotal evidence all day long, but your vision of yourself as a wonderfully mature 23 year old at the time does not negate the fact that you were 23 years old...barely an adult by societal standards. That was not condescending, it was stating an obvious fact.

This entire thread is ridiculously funny to me. Honestly, had this story been about Rush Limbaugh dating a 23 year old then the howling would be deafening. I am simply stating a psychological truth - in today's society it is very difficult if not impossible for a 26 year gap in age to result in a long-term meaningful relationship.

[MADem]

219. If this WERE Rush, or Dildo Really, or even that twirp Hannity

with a 23 year old, there would be HOWLS of "Chester the Molester" and "Pick on someone your own age."

I find it funny that politics pervades all things, even the PERCEPTIONS of the private lives of TV pesenters. Just because a guy can knock a TV program out of the park five nights a week doesn't mean he's the be-all and end-all in other areas of his life. His FEET might stink, too!!!

Funny, we don't demand that our plumber, say, be all things to all people, but some people can sure get shirty and uber-defensive when it comes to those favored tee vee celebrities! I'm reminded of young tweens, fighting over that dreamy cover photo or poster insert in the latest issue of "Tiger Beat."

:rofl:

[Stuckinthebush]

221. You don't know my plumber!

:D

Amen, MADem!

[Bill McBlueState]

146. critical analysis?

You're drawing conclusions based on two data points: KO's age and his girlfriend's age.

In science, using two data points to come to conclusions is called "speculation," not "critical analysis."

[Stuckinthebush]

216. Critical analysis is not scientific experimentation

Critical social analysis is the analysis of power differentials in society be they gender, race, or class based. In this instance, we can easily use the image of a 49 year old man dating a 23 year old woman as the basis of such analysis.

Jesus H. Keerist in a handbag do I have to spell it out? Older, middle age man meets hot, verile 22 year old intern or whatever at work. Older, middle age man thinks, "hot damn!" and convinces himself that she is wise beyond her years and there is no issue with a two generation gap because older, middle age man desperately wants to regain youth or hop in bed with said verile 22 year old. This man has immense power, and is attractive because of his power (wealth, position). Young, verile 22 year old sees this man and while she wouldn't give him the time of day if he was a middle level manager at a bank, she realizes he is powerful and, therefore, sexy! Let's not even begin to throw in a Feminist Psychoanalysis of this from a Freudian perspective, but he is older than her father. So, where is the power here? Is it mainly held by the older rich man or is it mainly held by the verile 22 year old woman? This is a wonderful opportunity to critically analyze society using this as a case example.

We don't wish to go there, however, because the older, middle age man happens to be a hero of the left. He is off limits! Because he is who he is we are warned that judgment of said relationship is beyond the pale. Clearly, it is true love and devotion that transcends the two generation gap, right? Tsk, tsk.

Why analyze this case? Because it gives us yet another glimpse into sexual power in our society. Because it helps us to understand the processes involved in power up/down relationships. Because we can use such examples to develop theories.

So, from 30,000 feet this case is fascinating. Do I wish these two love birds happiness? Of course! But that doesn't mean we should ignore this wonderful case example because we don't want to think about it too much.

[MADem]

220. Good summation--you hit that out of the park!

From her perspective, there could be some interesting things going on too--raised in a rich and well-connected household, parents divorced but still friendly, Daddy used to date (and lived with for a bit) "Princess Leia" aka Carrie Fischer, no trouble getting a PRODUCTION job at a major West Coast Superstation right out of college, now a "freelance" producer in NY....she might be looking at HIM as a trophy, for all we know (it's a brave new world out there), or using him to legitimize her own production ambitions.

The article she wrote, that is excerpted elsewhere in this thread, doesn't say much (to my mind) for her maturity level, at all...she insults the Korean newscaster for having blonde (meow!) hair (and hers is natural???) and has a rather Victorian "appearance standard" for people on TV--which might have something to do with the 1940's, E R Murrow-style suits her new boyfriend wears.

I'm guessing there are some here who would PREFER that the young lady be a wicked Jezebel, besotting the poor, shy, bespectacled and oh-so-sensitive gentleman, and using him to climb the influence ladder on the as-yet uncracked East Coast market...but it could just be that each is taking from the other what they want. Though, if the take of that reporter in the original article upthread is a guide, it sure sounds like Mister Olbermann is a bit middle-aged crazy over this young lady.

[Marnieworld]

55. He's the type

A wealthy man with a penis. If he's happy, I'm happy. Good for them. I wish them well.

[Stuckinthebush]

106. I think you have hit on something

I applaud them for their happiness as well. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts, but really, it doesn't matter except for analytical purposes.

[question everything]

122. The magic 23? Gingrich's number 3 is 23 younger than he is

oh well. They like them young and adoring.. until they grow old and all of a sudden the adoration changes to criticism and then they find out that they really do not have much in common.

But, like all celebrities, they need this constant ego feed..

[Stuckinthebush]

134. Bing Bing!

We have a winner!

Spot. On.

[INDIA]

183. Attaboy Keith!!! n/t

[Bunny]

2. Well, it's good that he's happy. I wish he could have found this

happiness with a woman who is actually more than half his age, but oh well.

[youthere]

4. This is just wrong...

Keith was supposed to pine away the rest of his life for me.
:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

27. me too!! Stomps foot!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

194. Me too! And I'm only a few years older than Keith.

And Fitz does nothing for me, sorry other ladies.

[WinkyDink]

86. There's always Fitz. ;)

[Stephanie]

116. sorry girlfriend

Fitz is MINE!

[plcdude]

5. I think

the level of maturity is a key factor. It is my observation that women are more mature at earlier ages than men so this could work out.

[MADem]

7. No, in fact, he's socially immature, is more correct, I think

See my post below this one.

Hey, no crime in it. But he's not a smooth operator, I suspect.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

47. That's my impression too. He's not the most experienced.

A 30 or 40 year old Manhattan woman would eat him for lunch.

[MADem]

54. Her parents might, too--they're in the same range!!!

Robert Tur and his ex-wife Marika.

[Eurobabe]

210. don't kid yourself, young women are pretty raw and unmolded at 23

I know because I HAVE one. I also have a 25 year old, who is a carbon copy of me. And to think at 25 I thought I was so put together!! LOL.

I have a friend who is 30, and I see in her ways a certain level of immaturity, compared to her husband who is 39. I am 46 and I still see some levels of immaturity in myself, and ditto my mom who is 66. I guess we all possess areas in which we are not "all knowing and all wise." (Except for DeadEyeDick and * of course, they know EVERYTHING there is to know on the face of the earth.)

I see some validity in your statement however, I do think girls/women mature emotionally, slightly faster than boys/men in their teens and early 20s. But at 19, I think my first husband was way more mature than I was, and he was only 22.

I don't know what my point was, just thought I would share those thoughts. Today I am not feeling very mature. :rofl:

[MADem]

6. That's a bit of a scandal, that, her extreme youth--but that isn't the worst of it all

Apparently, some one night stand who went by the name KarmaBites1 waged an internet campaign against him, she was so angry at being used by the fellow. See: http://www.jossip.com/gossip/keith-olbermann/keith-olbermanns-email-mistress-gets-a-blog-20060703.php It's private, the blog, so you can only see what others were able to glean off it before she limited access to it.

I get the impression he's not real smooth with the ladies (a celiac who doesn't/can't drive isn't likely to be, really). I also wouldn't be surprised if he's the more besotted of the Olbermann-Tur pair. This has been going on for awhile, and since she's moved from the west coast it might go on in more permanent fashion. OTOH, it could be one of those things that lasts only as long as he does in the spotlight.

But hey, we aren't flies on his wall. Who knows? He may as well enjoy while he can.

[WolverineDG]

25. She claimed it happened

but never proved it.

dg

[MADem]

28. She gave proof to Lloyd Grove, and has all the emails, many that have been posted

I believe it did happen.

And moreover, I don't really care one way or another.

There's no law against behaving in caddish fashion. It didn't work out. Oh, well. She needs to live and learn. Oft times, celebrities who do ONE thing well don't do all things well. They're humans, weak as the one next to them.

[drbtg1]

34. Lloyd Grove, the NY Daily News GOSSIP columnist?

Lloyd Grove, the FORMER NY Daily News Gossip Columnist?

Lloyd Grove, one of Mr. Olbermann's Worst Person in the World nominees?

Lloyd Grove, the man who completely misrepresented what Mr. Olbermann said in his C-SPAN interview?

Lloyd Grove, the man who had as an assistant a disgruntled former MSNBC employee?

Lloyd Grove, the man who published reply emails sent from Mr. Olbermann to assholes who deliberately provoked him to claim that Mr. Olbermann was less than civil, while completely ignoring the lack of civility that the assholes' original email had that started that matter?

Not exactly an unimpeachable source.

But maybe you can bolster the case against Mr. Olbermann. A revised NY Daily News website claims you can search their digitized archives for free.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/03/10/2007-03-10_welcome_to_the_new_daily_news_web_site-2.html

Perhaps you'd like to provide links to the relevant gossip column so that folks can judge for themselves if the gossip columnist proved what you say.

[MADem]

50. Uh, why do you think LLOYD took the shot from KO? I mean, really?

Pull the string, fachrissake. And I did not say that he presented the wine glasses and merlot bottle with the finger and lip prints to the world, I only say that the angered, scorned woman presented the evidence, likely to include the emails and headers as well, to him...AND OTHERS. And she managed to convince him, AND others.

Oh, and Lloyd used to work for the Washington POST too...so what is your point? They don't like each other, so the other guy just has to be lying? Come on. Both have motivation for being on opposite sides of this story--KO, to quash it, Lloyd, to tout it.

And the Daily News isn't the only paper that covered this story: http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/gossip/pagesix/keith_to_face_the_music_pagesix_.htm

October 27, 2006 -- KEITH Olbermann is this close to his day of reckoning for a one-night stand. The 30-something Cuban lass who says the MSNBC loudmouth courted her, bedded her, then told her to get lost, says she's about to release the 100 or so more e- mails she claims he sent her before their night of un satisfying sex in a Manhattan hotel. The woman, who calls herself KarmaBites and launched a blog to warn others about his boorish bedroom habits, says of the outspoken Olbermann's refusal to say a single word about her story: "Do you actually believe KO wouldn't deny my story publicly if it weren't true?" And she believes Olbermann is getting heat from his new girlfriend, Katy Tur. "Methinks he's feeling the pressure of the new squeeze to deny this publicly, but sadly for him he can't," KarmaBites says. "I guess my only alternative is to publish the e-mails . . . I'm tempted to re lease the e-mails just to see what excuses they come up with." She also says the more criticism she gets from Olbermann's fans, "the closer I get to going full-throttle and publishing all of the dirt. You're KO's worst enemy. I hope you can live with it."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10112006/gossip/pagesix/keith_death_tale_broke_date_pagesix_.htm

October 11, 2006 -- THE office worker who says she had an unsatisfying one-night stand with MSNBC gabber Keith Olbermann is baring more details about their limp hotel romp. After our story about the 30-something Cuban hottie who launched a blog to rip Olbermann for their May tryst, she vented more yesterday. " assured me . . . wouldn't be just a one-night thing," the woman who calls herself KarmaBites wrote. "He made plans to see me the following day and gave me all of his numbers, including his home number. He said he would call me, but instead I received an e-mail saying a relative had died and he would have to leave town . . . The relative story was false." KarmaBites hints she may release torrid e-mails she says Olbermann sent her: "It was an 18-month e-mail friendship and I have over 100 e-mails from him if I ever need to present any kind of 'proof' . . . He chose to dispose of me in a cold and uncaring manner which totally disregarded my feelings as a human being and left me feeling less than worthless." Through a rep, Olbermann said he did have a "close relative" die in May, but would not say who. The rep had no further comment.

And KO has never come out and FLAT OUT DENIED IT. Because likely, he can't.

Good grief, why are you so upset about this? Of course it's true. And by true, I mean that he had an encounter with a woman, and then waved her off. Her characterization of his performance, well, there's no video, we don't know. And I'd as soon not, frankly.

And who cares? You act like your daughter's Victorian virtue has been ruined. Olbermann behaved like a caddish guy, in the terms of earlier generations. Who knows why? Maybe the woman was a bit nutso, maybe he just didn't like her.

Nowadays, what happened there, they call it hooking up and no one gives a shit. This woman had an obsession, she's FURIOUS because she invested 18 months in a "relationship" via the internet that culminated in a lousy one night stand, and KO used very bad judgment in screwing a fan. But then, he has a very young girlfriend, which suggests he's socially immature. That's the story, really. Hell, as a result of this (now old) story, the right will have trouble suggesting he's gay--that's their usual tactic, isn't it?

Get a load of this interview from a FRIENDLY interviewer. KO says his reason for not covering the story about HIM on his own show is because the aggrieved female has not named herself. He avers his manners in the bedroom aren't bad, but he doesn't come out plainly and say "I never screwed the (insert derogatory word here). If she remains anonymous, it isn't a story, he says.

It isn't that hard to say "It NEVER HAPPENED." But he doesn't SAY that, does he? He uses a lot of words, but he does not say THE STORY IS ENTIRELY FALSE, though one can take from the answer below that he disagrees as to the derogatory reports regarding his prowess:


But there is one story you've never addressed, the Page Six item about your alleged lack of manners in the bedroom. Why not take that one head on?
Well, first off, I stick to truth. Secondly, I rarely do anonymous stories about myself or about other people if I can avoid it. If you make all sorts of accusations, and it's a story off of a website, and there's nobody's name connected to it, what is it? What is the journalistic process that allows you to do that? Could I not start a blog that says the New York Post is funded by the Communist Party and somebody else could quote that? Just because it's legally true doesn't mean that it's journalistically even approaching something that's valid.

What's the Post's motivation in printing that item?
I've called out the New York Post about the FBI thing and obviously Fox about the O'Reilly stuff. There have been repeated calls from O'Reilly's people—he's never done it himself—repeated calls to NBC management and MSNBC management pleading with us to stop. And basically the answer has been that we're only reacting to what they're doing, so if they stop we'll be happy to stop, because there won't be a story there and nobody will care.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/12/hot_heir_part_iv.php


The blog has gone to private, so one can't read it without getting invited, but some wag at JOSSIP managed to get in, and here are a few "high points" (or should we say low points):

http://www.jossip.com/gossip/keith-olbermann/keith-olbermann-prefers-you-dont-read-the-comments-in-karmabites-blog-20061010.php

Keith Olbermann Prefers You Don't Read the Comments in KarmaBites' Blog

It's not that big a deal, really. But to get all huffy and insist it didn't happen, when odds are way better than even that SOMETHING brief, sexual, unimportant and unfortunate did happen, is just silly. It's better to put it in proper perspective, and call it what it was--a lousy, stupid, ill-advised one-night stand with a pissed off groupie--rather than insisting that Sir Gallahad could never do such a thing.

The guy is human, he makes stupid mistakes in his personal life like anyone else. Just because a guy is a hero in terms of his political stances and the stories he covers, does not mean he HAS to be a combination of Superman and Clark Kent in other areas of his life.


To even EXPECT that is, well, weird...IMO.

It wouldn't surprise me if "someone" gave the woman some money and had her sign a nondisclosure agreement. It would explain her blog going private, and the story petering out.

[drbtg1]

69. Because Grove started it. From looking at the timeline...

1.) Mr. Olbermann had the C-SPAN interview broadcast on (approx.) 3-12-06.

2.) Grove followed with a piece completely misrepresenting what Mr. Olbermann said about the MSNBC bosses. There was no reason for Grove to do this (i.e. previous publically displayed animosity), thus, Grove started this crap.

3.) Mr. Olbermann struck back with a WPITW nomination, in the process revealing not only how Grove screwed up in his characterization, but also the status of Grove's assistant's previous employer (as previously stated)

4.) Grove follows with a bat shit crazy attack.

5.) Mr. Olbermann lets it drop. This is completely in line with the logic Mr. Olbermann expressed in the C-SPAN interview about punching downward.

I "act like your daughter's Victorian virtue has been ruined"? What a waste of a mediocre simile. No, sir. I act like someone who doesn't find your Uncle Lloyd credible, that's all. Yes, Grove was formerly employed by the Washington Post (itself a pale shadow of prior years). The key word is former. He then became a gossip columnist at the Daily News. Not exactly a Pulitzer track there, eh. But wait! He's now a former gossip columnist at the Daily News. Again, former.

Woodward and Bernstein? No. More like O'Neill and Corsi.

Odd, though. Instead of the Grove links I suggested, you give NY Post links?!? THE NY Post. Rupert Murdoch's NY Post. The same NY Post that is owned by News Corp., which also owns Fox News Channel. Gee, doesn't Fox News just LOVE Mr. Olbermann? Well, out of the frying pan and into the fire.

But not just the NY Post, but "Page Six" of the NY Post. The same Page Six that was investigated for extortion, blackmailing people for favorable gossip column items.

The NY Post, which saw fit to publish an item out of revenge against Mr. Olbermann even though it could have impeded an FBI investigation, saw fit to publish an item claiming Mr. Olbermann is a bad lay.

Think about that. Who the hell publishes that kind of shit? And why? And do you really want to use them as a source?

[MADem]

70. Far be it from me to disabuse you of your fantasy. Let's never mind that

these reports came AFTER the Page Six bust, when the scrutiny was on them big time, not before. And again, Page Six is not the only shopper of this tale.

You're forgetting the KEY shopper of the tale--the lady herself. The print news media were the LAST to get this story, not the first. The blogosphere (and not the right wingers either, the nasty little gossipfest blogs) got this first.

He's not my Uncle Lloyd, but your saying that (with snark, is it? Anger?) suggests that you have some odd "investment" in this story not being true. And, again, "my not uncle" Lloyd's not the only guy who covered the story, either.

You seem to be the only person here who isn't saying "Keith got a lousy piece" but instead has a perspective as if he's being swiftboated. Swiftboated, Corsi like--hey, it was just a LOUSY SEXUAL ENCOUNTER. They HAPPEN. It's not a career ender by any stretch. It's kind of amusing, actually, and suggests he's as human as the next schmuck. The fact that some woman got pissed at him only demonstrates that at least he's getting some, and one little adventure didn't work out.

You wanna know who publishes this shit? People like WONKETTE publish this shit. People like JOSSIP and Mediabistro publish this shit. It's GOSSIP. Like what is happening with the BUSH TWINS. Or Paris Hilton. Or Britney. You think the activities of celebrities, even minor ones like Olberamnn, aren't good fodder on a non-Anna Nicole news day?

What I can't figure out is why you've appointed yourself the guardian of the man's virtue? Hell, he's almost fifty. He's entitled to a bad fuck every decade or so.

It goes with life, like that wilted garnish on the side of your plate--it's unattractive, it doesn't add to the meal, but it won't kill you.

Sheesh, the drama!

[drbtg1]

76. Oh, well, if Wonkette said it, it must be gospel.

So Page Six cleaned up its act, eh? How do we verify that? Do they get the Good Housekeeping Seal? Does the Federal Bureau of Gossip Verification, the same folks that verify Wonkette's shit, put Page Six on probation. Should we only pay attention to those Pulitzer Prize winning gossip columnists?

No, sir. It's all shit. May be true. May be false. But when stuff happens to the Bush Twins or Britney, there's usually eyewitnesses. (In the case of Paris Hilton, there may also be video). But here, we got one woman's very subjective opinion, not even an objective observation, who may have ulterior motives including (but not necessarily limited to) a possible vendetta, published in certain quarters by parties who may also have ulterior motives including (but not necessarily limited to) a possible vendetta.

Yes, a "LOUSY SEXUAL ENCOUNTER" can happen (there's a joke there somewhere, but I have to get back to work). But in this case, some folks, with damaged media credentials, consider this shortcoming newsworthy. WHY?!?!?!? That seems to be much more relevant.

Snark? Anger? No. Laughter, actually.

"Guardian of the man's virtue"? You really like that word, virtue, when trying to insult someone. Well, since you like that word, I wish the press (especially the part of the press who'd like to claim more credibility than a gossip columnist, on-line or not) would have a little more virtue instead of publishing this kind of shit. I guess I'm just someone who questions what goes on behind the scenes.

And finally, yes, wilted garnish can happen. That's equally as newsworthy. Quick, call Wonkette!

[MADem]

77. I am not insulting you. I am wondering why you are so desperate to

quash this thread and this report, though. You seem...frantic about it.

"One woman" has more than a subjective opinion, though. She has emails with headers. They're posted on her now-private blog, but if you do some looking you can find screen shots of them.

But hey, do the fingers in the ears thing. I really don't care, see?

If you consider this a "vendetta" you are very thin-skinned and hypersensitive. This is a minor embarrassment, if even that.

Ha, HA!! A bad lay!!! Cue the ending of the world!

[drbtg1]

78. Okay, whatever.

It's a crappy story with crappy reporting and crappy motivations, the type of motivation many at DU have seen before too many times (There it is! You can stop wondering!). All of this has the credibility of an assistant crack whore. But you believe what you want. Enjoy.

[MADem]

174. the type of motivation many at DU have seen before too many times

Why don't you say what you MEAN, there? Oooh, "motivation many at DU have seen" eh? You're quite the mind reader, there!!

You're calling me a rightwinger because I find the story of a man pushing fifty getting a bad lay from a fan (a former fan, now) that he met over the internet a bit amusing? Wow, that's a stretch!

Ohh...kaaaay. And thanks for the well wishes, you enjoy too, now, ya heah?

[Berry Cool]

90. MADem, I might equally ask, why are YOU so desperate to keep this thread alive?

One might almost think you yourself had an anti-Olbermann agenda.

Anyone can fake headers on emails. The woman has never been able to produce anything to prove she's not a lying sack of crap. And your alleged "sources" that "back her up" are well known as sources of the worst kind of gossip and trash...especially against anyone suspected of being "liberal."

Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.

[MADem]

95. I like KO. I think getting all desperate and upset about something that is pretty plainly true is

stupid. It's fodder for the right if those on the left frantically spin about someone's lousy experience in a Manhattan hotel. He's a guy. A guy with a good show. Not Saint Keith, who has no genitalia. Sheesh.

I don't think this woman faked anything. I think she got paid off, too. That's probably why she went away quietly.

If this were not true, KO would have said three SIMPLE magic words--IT NEVER HAPPENED.

He doesn't say that, though, because it DID happen. And so fucking what? It happened before he got serious with the young college student, and it was a mistake. Live and learn.

Circling the wagons and claiming that it's false, and playing the Jezebel card on the angry Cubana is silly. He made a mistake.

People DO do that sometimes. It's not the end of the world.

[Berry Cool]

108. I don't think you really do like him. Else, why spend so much time

and effort insisting that a story that makes him look ugly and has no facts to undergird it is really true?

Looks to me as if the wagon-circling, spin, desperation and upset is all on your end.

For the record, I'm pretty sure Keith is not a saint and he does have genitalia. But neither of those would do anything to prove your point.

By saying he deals only in truth, Keith is saying it never happened. That's good enough for me. What are you so upset about that I don't believe such a very flimsy story? It's not the end of the world.

[MADem]

140. To your delicate eyes the story makes him look "bad." and "ugly"

But do not project your visions of sugarplums on me. I think the report makes him look NORMAL. Real. Like a regular guy who makes the odd mistake. And in that regard, easier to relate to. Who hasn't had a lousy encounter?

Putting real people up on altars to worship them as though they are superhuman is always a mistake. But that's what you seem to be doing, by getting so furious at anyone who doesn't see things YOUR way.

Wagon spin, desperation, circling? Look in the mirror, dear. Again, three words: It didn't happen. He has not said them. And he won't.

At least you have FINALLY, despite your convolutions over it, come to the conclusion that I have been making--it is NOT the end of the world.

He can have a bad hook up and live to have another. That's LIFE.

[Berry Cool]

184. My eyes are not "delicate." In fact, they're quite clear.

You see, I did go to journalism school--two of them. Got degrees from both. And I know which news sources are likely to be reliable and which are not. (Actually, I learned that much back in high school.) That's how I form my judgments. Has nothing to do with altars or worship. In fact, it looks as if you're the one who's basing your beliefs solely on faith here, with no proof to back them up.

Furious? No. Amused at your convolutions? Yes. Because the only three words that come close to the truth in your post are "It didn't happen." Karmabites didn't happen. Oh well, maybe someday you'll get over the need to persuade people it did.

[MADem]

199. OK...keep it UP then!

Keep kicking the thread...you just gotta be RIGHT, doncha!!! Kick it again, do!

Yeah, it didn't happen!!! Send me an invite to the wedding!!!

:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

180. maybe you're just wrong here, maybe KO did nothing and doesn't feel like he needs to make

a public statement about something that didn't happen. that whole story was a story for about a day.

[MADem]

201. Say, let me slander YOU. How hard is it to say "LIE!!!"

Please, and don't tell me YOU went to two journalism schools too!!!

If someone makes UP shit about you, you DENY IT. If it is truth, or partially true, you try to make it go away as best you can. You do the legal threats, and then you do...THE PAYOFF.

So what? Big deal. The fact that the guy had a shitty lay is NOT A CRIME. Anymore than his new love, the child of Chopper Bob, a child indeed herself, is a crime either. But hell, everyone finds a need to insert theirselves into his sorry little geeky love life to "defend" him--now, IMO, that's a bit...SICK. Delusional. Curious, at the least.

Why people want this poor old man to be Little Lord Doesn't Use His Dick, I've no idea.

That whole La Cubana story did NOT last a day--it lasted maybe three or four months. I know, because people in the industry that I deal with had something to say about it...with a bit of wicked, though not vicious, glee, frankly.

But hey, whatever.

Dream on, dream until your dreams come true!

[WolverineDG]

142. For someone who says they don't care

you sure know a lot. Just sayin'.

dg

[MADem]

145. Oh I totally CARE!!!!!!

I think it's great that the guy is NORMAL. He has SEX, and sometimes with people who some might consider "inappropriate" in terms of their age, or the fact that he met them on the internet, or what have you.

What I don't care about is the "quality" of the woman he screws. I don't think it's necessary for him to only screw a certain type or age of woman. I don't feel a need to defend his honor if he fools around with a (insert unacceptable DU word of your choice here).

I can still watch his show and enjoy his reporting no matter who he messes around with, and I don't feel a need to "defend" him for doing what humans do.

[WolverineDG]

147. Well, you obviously DO care

given the amount of info you've posted about a person you don't even know. Based on what you've posted here in a short span of time, it appears that you have spent an inordinate amount of time tracking down (which some might say is stalking) Katy Tur online.

Who he sees, their ages, & their "quality" is none of anyone's business. What you think is "necessary" for him is irrelevant.

dg

[MADem]

149. Ahhh, but I DO know someone who works for her daddy!!!

So this shit isn't news to me!

I happen to like a bit of celebrity gossip. So shoot me!

If it bugs you so much, there's a way to hide it from your easily offended and always utra-political eyes. You CAN actually make threads DISAPPEAR here!!! Spare yourself the ANGST!!

What a CONCEPT!!!!!!

[WolverineDG]

155. I'd say you're

a bit more emotionally invested in this particular story than perhaps you should be. Just my 2 cents.

dg

[MADem]

160. I'd say you are--you're the one getting angry; I'm having a good gossip.

There's a way you can HIDE threads that make you upset, you know!!!

And that's ten cents worth of advice, not two!!!

Get over yourself!

[tkmorris]

164. And yet.......

Your posts are the ones liberally sprinkled with words all in caps and exclamation points.

[MADem]

168. Hey, I'm the one having some FUN (in all caps) here. I'm not trying to

tell people to STOP TALKING (in all caps) because the subject has to do with a MEDIA HERO (all caps) who has a slightly unusual private life.

This is a GOSSIP item. It's not a bill in committee on the Hill; it's not the Tax Code.

It's a "newstainment" thread about a well-known figure who is a "presenter" on a popular news program, whose presented opinions are popular on the left.

We aren't talking about JESUS, here, we're talking about the personal life of a guy who is a minor celebrity and has a well-received program on a cable news outlet.

We do this all the time, here. Why is this guy taboo? Because you say so? Sorry, you don't get to make those decisions. Like Bush, you aren't the Decider either.

So, be a thread nanny all you want--it ain't working. The more you excoriate me for having an opinion and getting a kick out of learning that a TV celebrity has life below the waist, the more I question your motives. He won't marry you, I'm thinking. No matter how hard you defend him!

And if you're unable to get over your swivet, think about that Hide Thread option, there! It will make you happier, alleviate your angst.

[WolverineDG]

181. Thanks for proving my point n/t

[Berry Cool]

185. Yes, MaDem...you proved it most excellently! n/t

[MADem]

198. Ooooooooh, LOVE the avatar!!!

:rofl:

[MADem]

203. Love, I guess, is a many spendored thing.

How long before you change your avatar as well?

:rofl:

[WolverineDG]

214. ???

What does my choice of avatar have to do with anything?

dg

[MADem]

217. Keep kicking the thread, now! NT

[October]

81. What does being a Celiac have to do with anything?

Most Celiacs are undiagnosed...living among us.

1:130 statistically speaking in the U.S.

[MADem]

99. He's diagnosed, he knows he has it, and he cheats.

IBS doesn't do much for the 'ladies man' in any fellow. If you want that burger, you'd better have it without the bun, else it will go through you like crap thru a goose. Excuse me darling....pfffffffffffft, plop, plop....

[Berry Cool]

109. Well, the above sure does a whole lot to make you sound

like someone who just adores Keith. :rofl:

[MADem]

136. Read the article about him in RS. It's not a question of knowing a whole lot, see,

it's having the ability to retain what one has read. If you have celiac disease, you don't eat Belgian Waffles.

:rofl: yourself!!!!

[Berry Cool]

186. I read the article, and retained what it said.

So I guess what you're saying is, Keith's lying about having celiac too? :rofl: Is there no end to what that man will lie about?? :rofl:

[MADem]

204. Not at all. He has it, and he eats waffles.

Gee, for someone so enamoured of him, I'd think you'd be up in arms at the restaurant for SERVING them to him!!!

You love the man, but you can't read or comprehend too well when you're thinking about him, I suspect, otherwise you'd understand what I've written.

He is celiac. He cheats on his diet. Evidence--he eats waffles with reporters.

Ha HA! So, let us :rofl: over it, shall we??

Send me an invitation to your wedding, now!!! And keep that wheat off the reception menu!

:eyes: :rofl:

[October]

191. Interesting reply

As I've stated...you can live with Celiac for years and not have symptoms.

[MADem]

205. Wow, Doctor, do tell. The only problem is, he's the one who SAYS he has it.

If he were asymptomatic, how the fuck would he know??

And FWIW, I have familiarity with the condition.

But hey, Marcus Welby, whatever!

Keep kicking the thread!

With any old assertion, it matters not!

:rofl:

[October]

226. Well, ok...fwiw

Yes, you've stated that Keith has said he has Celiac. I never disputed that, so I'm not sure why you needed to use CAPS.

I'm quite certain I didn't claim to be a doctor, let alone a fictional one such as "Marcus Welby." :eyes: So, I'll ignore that, too.

Hey, I'm just trying to make a point that there are many patients who discover they have Celiac accidentally -- such as when they're trying to figure out why they're anemic.

Carol Semrad, M.D. states: "...some individuals present with anemia related fatigue and have no symptoms referable to the gastrointestinal tract."

The following definition is from HealthLine:

Definition: Asymptomatic

Asymptomatic means there are no symptoms. A person is said to be asymptomatic if:

An illness or condition is present without recognizable symptoms.
He or she has recovered from an illness or condition and no longer has any symptoms.
He or she is healthy.
A particular illness or condition does not generally produce symptoms.


I'm not making "any old assertion," to keep the threat kicked. My husband and 2 children have the disease, as well as half a dozen other relatives. The disease often goes undiagnosed because too many doctors insist Celiac Sprue is rare. Current research indicates 1:133 people in the U.S. have the disease unbeknownst to most of them because they are, asymptomatic.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. 23 years old?

Hmm...

The ladies of the KOEB may not like that.

[WolverineDG]

26. Actually we've already hashed it out

and if he's happy, that's really the only thing that matters.

dg

[MADem]

225. What is that?

I figured out the KO part, what's the EB?

[Missy Vixen]

9. I could have gone the rest of my life without reading the following

>In many respects, she's much more mature than I am.<

I love Keith Olbermann, but the above makes me really, really sad.

IMHO, YMMV,
Julie

[mmonk]

17. A pre-emptive strike

on the critics that will be coming.

[MADem]

29. Good grief, why do you CARE?

Steven Hawking will NEVER be a great ballroom dancer.

Bill Clinton will never be a monk.

Laura Bush will never be a supermodel.

People live with the cards they're dealt. You can strive to overcome all you want, but some things are just what they are.

Why must this bright and passionate newsman be anything more than that in his public life? Who cares if he's emotionally immature in his personal life? So long as he respects the statutory age limits, which is more than can be said about some, why should any of us interfere?

Hey, he didn't call the woman up and talk dirty to her. There's no falaffel waving or buzzing devices, or coercion or subtle threats involved.

It's not our worry, really. It suggests, maybe, that the guy is a little less confident and adult in his personal life than he is in his professional life, but that's no crime.

[Missy Vixen]

49. You know what?

You're insisting it doesn't matter. I think it says something that's not positive about someone as brilliant as KO choosing to hook up with a woman half his age.

>the guy is a little less confident and adult in his personal life than he is in his professional life, but that's no crime<

No, it's not a crime, but to say that she's "more mature" than he is? If there's nothing wrong with it, why is he making the same excuses every other person who's done this makes?

It's his business, but if this was someone from the right-wing, we'd be all over it.

Julie

[MADem]

51. Look. my opinion of the guy is that he is socially immature.

And that's fine. Socially immature people can have a wonderful and incisive view of the political scene. They can work well with their editors and put out a wonderful television newsmagazine, too.

Talk about it all you want, if it satisfies you. But separate the fact that he is socially immature from his reporting.

He's not an elected official, screwing his constituency. He banged a thirty something Cubana who sent him naked pictures. Not a smart idea, but that shit happens on CRAIGSLIST every day of the week. He's been dating a recently graduated journalism major college girl for a few years. So what? She's of age. And as I said, HE'S socially immature.

I really don't care who he fucks, so long as he isn't going after underaged children or the mentally retarded. He has a right to a private life, he's an unmarried man. Those who are angry about his relationship with this young girl, or that pissed off Cubana, have their own reasons for getting upset that likely have more to do with the realm of fantasy than the quality of the man's reportage.

I think it's silly to worry about what this (or any other) talking head does with his fiddly bits, myself.

Hell, everyone called Henry Kissinger a stud when he cut a wide swathe back in the day--WHILE he was SECSTATE, too!

[Berry Cool]

92. he may well be socially immature

But you still haven't proven that "He banged a thirty something Cubana who sent him naked pictures." So until you can, I suggest you either put up or shut up.

He's also not dating "a recently graduated journalism major." The University of California at Santa Barbara doesn't even HAVE a journalism major.

You say "I think it's silly to worry about what this (or any other) talking head does with his fiddly bits, myself," but you sure seem invested in getting people here to believe a bogus story about what he supposedly did with his "fiddly bits." Why is that, I wonder? Agenda??

[MADem]

100. When asked, he didn't deny it. So there. YOU prove he didn't.

How hard is it to say "IT NEVER HAPPENED?" That's three EASY WORDS. How about "I NEVER MET THE WOMAN." That's FOUR easy words.

It happened. It was a mistake. So what? I think it's funny. You find it tragic, so tragic you're getting mad at me about it.

Jesus. You seem WAAAAY too upset about this, nitpicking over silly things like the title of the young lady's major. The girl is the daughter of Chopper Bob Tur, and she majored in media or TV or whatever the hell you want to call it nowadays--in ancient days they called it journalism, so shoot me. She got a job as a producer at KTLA and then moved on, and in with him.

And take your agenda innuendos and shove them. That's against forum rules, suggesting that sort of thing.

[Berry Cool]

110. He said he deals only in truth. That's good enough for me.

It's not tragic, just untrue. Why do you insist so very hard on believing it?

You seem way too upset about this, nitpicking over silly things the fact that I called you on a single factual inaccuracy. Oh, by the way, there is no media or TV major at UC Santa Barbara.

I have said nothing against forum rules. All I did was ask you why you're so insistent about believing a story with no proof.

[MADem]

135. I'm glad it's "good enough for you" if it makes you happy. I'm also glad you aren't a journalist.

If you were reporting on the Justice Department, you'd give Alberto Gonzalez a pass, too, because he didn't expressly confess to crimes against the state. Scooter would walk free, too!

Again, how hard is it for the man to say I don't know the woman, I never met the woman, OR the incident she describes DID NOT HAPPEN? It's real hard to say if something DID happen.

As for forum rules, when you accuse someone of having "an agenda," that's a no go. Gee, I disagree with YOUR rose-colored, hero worshipping, teen idol-like viewpoint, thus, I MUST have "an agenda." A non-progressive agenda, is your implication. Lotta nerve, that--you aren't the only opinion in town--see?

And last but not least, there's lots of proof. There's internet emails, with headers. There are detailed reports from the angered female. There are non-denials from Mister Olbermann. And the proof on your side of the argument? You don't WANT to believe he's a normal older guy with a sex drive.

You can suspend belief if you'd like, if it makes you happy. But anyone with half an iota of judgment comes to a conclusion that this guy had a lousy encounter, the woman is angry and scorned, and now he doesn't want to talk about it--and she, with vengeance, does.

[Berry Cool]

188. I have two journalism degrees that I earned with honors

from two of the top J-schools in the country. Time spent lecturing me about journalistic principles is wasted.

And no, I sure as heck wouldn't give Gonzo anything resembling a pass.

Keith sees no point in spending lots of time talking about something that never happened. Wise man he!

I have seen things worse than people accused of having an agenda in GD every day. Nah, no problem there.

You say I have a "rose-colored, hero worshipping, teen idol-like viewpoint' and I don't think Keith Olbermann has a sex drive, just because I disbelieve the story you're trying so hard to promote. Then you accuse me of not being able to tolerate opinions that differ from mine. That IS funny!

And yes, I do have a lot of nerve...thanks. :-)

Nope. There's no proof. No reason to believe. All we have is one very troubled young woman's word for it...and my goodness, anyone on the Internets can write a blog saying they did anything. I could start one tomorrow saying that you are purple with pink polka dots. Even if you don't go to the trouble of denying it, it doesn't make it true. Even if I produce emails with headers attesting to it, doesn't make it true. What IS true is true, and what is not true is not true...whether or not people explicitly say it isn't.

[MADem]

211. Wow, you're sure not using those degrees. .... are ya?

But hey, keep kicking the thread!

I think it's funny (but not really HAHA funny, if you know what I mean) that you take it all so seriously.

And you, with your "prestigious degrees" that you --of course-- really DO have, don't understand the concept of a "non-denial denial" when it comes to your idol, but maybe don't have so much trouble when it comes to a lying fuckwad like say, Scooter, or maybe Alberto...in the BushCo administration???

Or...is that just me?

Yeah, let's suspend belief. Because he's a lefty, and this, of course, will RUIN :rofl: him!!!!! Let's ignore physical evidence, and those non-denial denials.

Imagine the headlines: Middle Aged Man Has Lousy Lay. Nation Shocked.

Again, keep kicking the thread!

[Beausoir]

10. 23? Wow.

:shrug:

[KG]

11. oops

only funny to me probably

[EOTE]

15. Is that a Dateline: To Catch a Predator reference?

If so, it wasn't lost on me : )

[npincus]

13. photo of the mystery lady?

I can't find one...

[NewJeffCT]

16. I couldn't find one, either

only references that she is supposedly extremely attractive.

[npincus]

21. you'd think the paparazzi would've taken one by now

and plastered it on Page Six of Murdoch's shitty rag, The NY Post.

[MADem]

72. They're probably scared of her father. He's a big guy in LA. NT

[MADem]

37. Who has the yearbook of the Univ of CA, Santa Barbara 2005 graduating class? NT

[marions ghost]

18. He's having fun

reliving his younger days which maybe he needs to do emotionally. If she was 33 I could see it being a little more real. But you can't deny people their fantasies. We all know there are plenty of young women who'll go for the daddy figure, esp if wealthy. Often it doesn't last. Just too much difference in perspective. If Keith is happier, that's good, as long as it's not hurting anyone. But if they get married, it's probably a starter marriage for her. Obviously he's not looking for 'growing old together.'

[lpbk2713]

20. 23 huh?

:eyes:

[Chimichurri]

22. She's an adult and so is he. Why is everyone making such a big deal?

My goodness how this place is changing.

[garybeck]

61. I say, good for him. nm

[Left Is Write]

93. Good question. What's wrong with her being 23?

For heaven's sake, it's not like he went to the area high school and plucked a sophomore out of the crowd. We're talking about two adults.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

131. The "bad" thing is she's over 18 so they can't arrest him for that.

Some people say they're anti-some-kinds-of-sex when they're actually anti-sex.

[deadparrot]

218. Exactly.

I'm twenty and crush on Olbermann.

This relationship doesn't appear to be harmful to either party, so why should it be any of our business?

[AngryOldDem]

23. I wish them well...

...'nuff said.

Now if we can just get Bill Maher to settle down... :D

[Virginia Dare]

24. He's setting himself up for a total heartbreak..

he wants marriage and family, his biological clock is ticking, she wants to "have fun" and is not ready to settle down, her clock hasn't even started. Poor Keith! :cry:

[MADem]

36. They've been an item since she was in college.

She graduated a year and a half ago....

The fact that she's living with him is a big deal. He used to be a fixture on the red eye to the west coast.

[Stuckinthebush]

46. I find that disturbing

that he dated her when she was in college.

I don't know...the whole thing is rather odd. He seems to be a very emotionally secure guy, it is interesting that he would hook up with a college student (age 18 to 21).

Oh well. I would like to make the observation that if this was a 49 year old Tucker Carlson, then we'd have a lot more negative discussion.

[MADem]

53. Her father is steeeenking rich. And in media. He owns LA News Service

He used to go out with Carrie Fisher for awhile.

But the biggest bonus in all of this? LANS is owned by a one Robert Tur, who, we're told is the father of Katy Tur. Yes, the same Katy Tur that's dating the world's most famous counter-downer, Keith Olbermann. It's a shame Keith's show is doing so well on MSNBC, otherwise there could've been a real opportunity to count Keith's wrinkles as he counts off the day's stories.
http://www.jossip.com/gossip/katy-tur/

Robert Tur is rather litigious, to put it mildly. He aggressively goes after people who use even fair use snippets of his B roll footage. He wins as often as he loses. He's not one that is to be tangled with lightly, which is probably why he is so rich.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_39_25/ai_108883185
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/060720reed/

Daddy is quite the manly man--he's a helo pilot, he made his dough damn near INVENTING helo media coverage--OJ? That was his bunch. LA riots, Reginald Denny? Him, too. Car chases, celebrity weddings, earthquake coverage from on high--Robert Tur's LANS.

He's also a lifesaver--a real, genuine, he-man, hero lifesaver:


Tur was credited with saving the lives of 54 people during a freak southern California storm (date?). At the request of a local fire department, Tur piloted his AS-350B Eurocopter helicopter through 60 knot winds, at night, to airlift stranded tourists from 22 foot seas that pounded apart their hotel, the Portofino Inn. Timing the interval of the waves, Tur and his camera operator, Byron Alperstein, made a dozen near zero visibility takeoffs and landings without losing a single victim. Both Tur and Alperstein received numerous awards for their heroism.

In August of 2006, Bob was cited by Israeli medics for saving the life of a IDF soldier during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. During a Katyusha rocket attack, Bob and his television news crew found a 19 year-old soldier trapped in his crushed automobile. With the soldier unconcious, and not breathing, Tur, who had been shooting a documentary for an American satellite news operation, performed an emergency tracheotomy, intubating the man and restoring his breathing. The rescue, which was caught on tape by another reporter, aired as part of a news package dealing with life on the Israeli-Lebanon border. http://www.answers.com/topic/los-angeles-news-service

As for Olbermann, just because he's socially immature, doesn't mean that he isn't emotionally secure. He may just be a late bloomer. Many are. There's not much he can do about that, is there?

[Stuckinthebush]

104. Well one can always work on one's emotional security

but it still is rather odd that a 45 year old man would date a 20 year old woman (assuming she was 20 when they started dating...hell she might have been 18!).

[Berry Cool]

94. For the record, he did not date her when she was in college.

They started dating last June, by which time she had already been out for a year. Do the math.

[Stuckinthebush]

105. Ummm...OK I'll do the math

My response was to someone saying that they dated while she was in college.

Either way, a 21 or 22 year old woman dating a 47 or 48 year old man is rather odd. I don't care how you slice it.

[BluePatriot]

32. Ack!

I'm 23, LOL.

Hey Keith, date me!!! :loveya:

[Jack from Charlotte]

38. Way to go, KO and.......... Yahtzee! (nfm)

*

[Ilsa]

41. Reminds me of Mike and Kathy Malloy. Sort of.

Big age difference, but both are young at heart and mature. Have a beautiful, happy daughter. Of course, she will statistically be fatherless before she becomes an adult, but you never know how things might turn out.

[truebrit71]

52. Only if KO's other half is as smoking hot as Kathy Malloy....

....Mike is one lucky, LUCKY bastard....

[underpants]

56. I will second that

Very very lucky

[Horse with no Name]

45. Not my business

They are both consenting adults and if they are happy...good for them!

[mtnester]

59. Keith, Keith

grown men, being show over and over again what happens to relationships like these, still continue on oblivious.

Two words - Heather Mills...

when will you guys LEARN?! (I know, probably never...we love ya even though you all drive us crazy with this bizarreness!)

[MADem]

63. Two more....Donald Trump (who turns them in for a newer model)

But why assume that the young lady is some sort of golddigger?

Miss Tur is the daughter of "Chopper Bob" Tur. He owns LA News Service. He's won a mantleful of Emmys. He used to date Carrie Fisher. He's no bum, he's rolling in dough.

Unless she pisses off daddy, she stands to inherit a bundle one day--of course, daddy isn't much, if at all, older than KO, so she could become a widow and an orphan in close order if she ever married the guy. Hell, her trust fund is probably way bigger than Olbermann's cable salary for a ten year stretch.

If anyone's golddigging, it's KO!!!

[mtnester]

64. OK, I won;t assume that, but I WILL tell you my own mindset at the age of 23

and it was NOT to hook up with some old guy...especially some regular joe old guy....

I say this with the honesty of a woman who is old enough to know what is what, and how the world turns :)

[MADem]

66. She majored in media/journalism at Santa Barbara

Her father is the king of file footage and helo coverage.

He's likely an idol due to her upbringing, her major, and her area of interest. And after all that time on the red eye, she moved--not him. I'm sure, if he wanted it, they'd move his show to LA without a blink. He doesn't drive, though, so he'd be screwed in LA without a full time driver.

All that said, they've been an item for some time now. But she's young, in no hurry, certainly. And maybe he is fun for now, but not forever. Who knows?

Katy got a producing job right out of college at KTLA. That's not your average "night manager at Starbucks" straight out of college job...she's "connected." So connected that when she left, they made sure she got erased from the KTLA website (I'm sure they want to stay on good terms with her dad, "Chopper Bob" who gives them a boatload of coverage footage).

And now she's a "freelance" producer in NYC. If I had to guess, I'd bet she's backed by LA News Service...which happens to be Dad's company.

[Berry Cool]

96. She did not. Santa Barbara doesn't even HAVE a journalism major

so unless she did a create-your-own (and why do that with schools like UCLA and USC so nearby?) she did not major in journalism in college.

[MADem]

101. Ooooooh, noooooooooooo!!!!!!

What DO they call it nowadays? Communications? Media???

[Berry Cool]

111. "Film and media studies" is the closest thing they have undergrad.

It's not the same thing. They have a communications major, but it's more concerned with the academic aspects of communication and critical examination of communication and the media.

[musiclawyer]

65. I was Keith at one time

I'm early 40's and used to run with early 20's for a long time . Man it was fun for a while but no matter how good the chemistry is, things end, usually for good reasons. I think i went on my last first date recently.......... she's 41.... i'm really happy

[October]

82. I know...high cringe factor...oh well...

Stereotypical...

LOL

[Generator]

67. 23 huh? Well uber liberals what's the age difference on Kuchinch and wife?

UH OH.

[MADem]

68. And it ain't just the amount, it's the COUNT--ole Dennis is, shall we say "oft-married!" NT

[LeftyMom]

120. 31 years according to her wiki.

They certainly seem happy enough.

[AzDar]

73. This is not possible...Keith is MY boyfriend.

:rofl:

[MADem]

75. I think your comment sums up the anger in some corners of this thread!

:toast:

You're not "La Cubana"....... are you?

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

83. Too funny!

I never had "the hots" for Keith Oberman so I guess it doesn't matter who he dates. :shrug:

But I have to admit that as I'm watching David Gregory on Hairballs, he sure is easy on the eyes. :loveya: :rofl:

To each his/her own. :hi:

[Berry Cool]

98. "La Cubana" is a lying sack of crap

We don't even know if she's Cuban.

[MADem]

102. Yes we do.

Google is your friend.

[Berry Cool]

112. Google only tells us how she describes herself.

That doesn't tell us what she really is.

On the Internet, nobody knows you're a... :shrug:

[MADem]

212. Ah, she not only didn't 'really' have the emails she posted, she didn't tell

the truth about the encounter, AND she's lying about who she is!!!

The NERVE of that woman!!

:rofl:

[greenbriar]

84. damn....I would love to be in her shoes

...sigh...

[WinkyDink]

88. Or out of them. (Oh, beHAVE!)

[dogday]

89. Keith is human... Wow what a revelation!

He is a man who likes a younger woman... Best of luck to him....

[Berry Cool]

107. So, men who don't like young women are INhuman?

Don't get the logic there.

[Catherine Vincent]

113. LOL!

That's just silly.

[dogday]

130. Are you that dense?

Just askin :shrug:

[Contrite]

114. She respects him as a serious journalist; trusts him like a father.

http://www.dailynexus.com/article.php?a=9992

Having just graduated from college in June and having taken my first step into the working world, I have noticed a few things. I recently began a job at a news station in Los Angeles. Now, having grown up in the business - my parents are both prominent television reporters - I have been a firsthand witness to the demise of television news.

To be honest, it has been at lot like last year’s landslide in La Conchita. You know that the mountain is on the verge of collapsing, but you just don’t want to believe that it will actually come down. In my opinion, the same has been happening to the news. I’ve seen the signs and heard the warnings, but I just haven’t been able to lose hope that someday, somewhere, someone will stand up and stop the news from merely becoming another “Entertainment Tonight.”

(snip)

We respect people like Walter Cronkite and Diane Sawyer. Sure, many news legends have at times become caricatures of themselves, but it is these characters that we have come to love. These are the people we grew up watching on the news back when we were wide-eyed and curious about the world. They are the kinds of people we learned to trust. But for some reason, the powers in the world of news think that we are too young to remember the golden years of news and how it looked when reporters actually did an in-depth investigation of a subject, instead of just airing sound bite after sound bite. They think that we want to hear the news from our peers, not from our fathers. Unfortunately, if they would just ask us, they would learn that this is not what we want. But I guess like global warming, the government, and world peace, it is just something that our generation will have to fix when we take over. You would think that they would have gotten the picture from the dismal ratings. I mean, who really watches the news anymore?

[renate]

126. nice find!

Looks like she wrote that before she met Keith, so it's extra interesting that she's talking about father figures.

I don't mean that in a snarky way. When two people's needs mesh and they fulfill each other's needs, it's a good thing. I wish them every happiness.

[Contrite]

178. I loved my father dearly and followed in his professional footsteps.

He was a man of great integrity and talent. Keith reminds me of him.

I completely understand Katy's attraction. And I am sure that Keith appreciates her respect for good, honest journalism as well. Sounds like a good match to me.

Here's to Keith and Katy--may they both remake the world of journalism together!

[MADem]

196. KO is OLDER than Daddy.... FWIW. See the OP article. Daddy ain't dead, either. NT

[Contrite]

223. I know. I still think it's nobody's bi'ness but their own.

Love is a funny thing.

[MADem]

224. Well, he is a celebrity, she is the daughter of a celebrity, a BIG LA name.

It's no different than Anna Nicole or Britney Spears. It's GOSSIP. If he married a former nun a year younger or older than him, it wouldn't be as interesting.

This is a guy pushing fifty shacking up with a California girl just out of college, young enough to be his daughter. It's got that Kucinich quality to it, which makes it an interesting story to chew on. And coming on top of the other incident, it's doubly interesting.

[MADem]

162. Whoaaa, Nellie!!! There is a cheap shot or three in that article!

When are the people in charge going to realize that we, the youth, the ones who are in high school and college or who, like me, have just graduated, do not want to be read the news by another cheesy blonde anchor who looks like the girl who does keg stands and dances on coffee tables at frat parties? Respectable journalists don’t wear hot pink and they don’t die their hair blonde if they are Korean like Mia Lee, one of the anchors at KCAL. The women shouldn’t have fake tits that are pushed up to their neck and the men shouldn’t be orange. Do you respect the guy in your psych class that has frosted tips and highlights? No. Then why would you feel differently toward the guy reading the news?




She looks pretty respectable to me!!!!

[Contrite]

177. Is that a photo of Kate? n/t

[Berry Cool]

189. No, it's Mia Lee, I believe

and Katy, for the record, "respectable journalists" know the difference between "die" and "dye." :rofl:

[MADem]

195. That is a photo of the Korean American correspondent she gratuitously insulted

The article does not reflect well on the young lady, frankly. She sets an appearance standard she herself does not live up to. Her parents are both brunettes--I would guess that the blonde hair she sports is courtesy of L'Oreal or some other beauty house. And it ain't just a slight-light--she's gone all the way. The admonition about Miss Lee seems, well, RACIST, to me.

So what, is Queen Latifah a Sk%$K or a WH@#E or a BIT%H because she colors her hair? How about the MEN on TV who color theirs...or wear wigs? Shall we excoriate Joe Scarborough for that dead squirrel on HIS head?

Who the fuck does this CHILD think she is, frankly?

I will cut her some slack because she is a kid. I'll cut her LESS for publishing this shit in the newspaper of her alma mater. On the INTERNET(s), too!!!

Dumb bunny. Racist, appearance-centric bunny, too.

But hey, she must have other qualities that make her appealing. We do know she likes old men who look like fathers to give her the "news." Ah, such fun! The news, indeed!!!

:rofl:

[upi402]

117. Young Turks, Cenk Uyger (sp?) was good tonight

Dean was reasoned though KO sent him some easy down-the-middle setups.
Don't know anything about KO's girl, but love is great. Congrats if they are in order.

[mvd]

123. Good for Keith!

Wishing them a happy life together.

[orleans]

124. i am so disillusioned.

(okay, not THAT disillusioned...but she better not distract him from his job!)

[Dover]

125. Well I can certainly see what he admires about her.

But seriously.....not ONE picture of Katy in this thread? How can a gal work up a respectable envy without a full image analysis and critique?

[GaYellowDawg]

127. If they're happy, so what?

I'm 39, and I would be very hesitant to date a 23 year old, but if KO wants to do that, then why should anyone else feel the need to comment on it? People getting hung up on other couples' ages is ridiculous.

Gossip, gossip, how dare he, there must be something wrong with him, it's a pity, it won't last, how is it your concern? Holy crap, you'd think this was Free Republic. They're happy, they're both consenting adults; therefore, passing judgment is, in my opinion, completely antithetical to the liberal spirit.

[Jennicut]

128. I don't get the big deal in ages.

I am 31 and married to a 32 year old but in college and after I really liked older guys. Think about it from her perspective. Most guys that age (early twenties) are such horny immature drunk jerks. Lots of them anyways. And for Keith, she seems to share his politcal views and is in the business. So whats the big deal? At 23 I was not immature. I have learned more since then and have two little girls now and life is different as a Mom but still I was not a flighty bimbo at that age. I think I'm less serious now as I need to be as a stress reliever (having kids does that to you). I just don't think age matters when it comes to love and if you want it to work out it can, whether its an older woman and younger man or older man and younger woman.

[liberal renegade]

129. Why drive an old car when you can drive a new one?

[npincus]

139. are you an old car?

Don't knock it till you've driven it!

:)

[stanwyck]

138. Um, my daughter is 23, so my thoughts are

Damn, I wish Jon Stewart wasn't married. I had him all picked out as my son-in-law.
Back to Keith. She's an adult. It's their business. I'm more judgmental of the "family values" types who are on their third marriages...Newt. Rudy.
I'm really, really tired of being lectured about traditional family values by men who slimed Clinton relentlessly while banging the girlfriend behind the wife's back.

[MADem]

166. He's old enough to be her father, too!!! Born 11/62, that makes him almost 45!

I don't see him getting a divorce, though he's coming up on the seven year itch--he's got kids, and is a real family man. A late bloomer, too:

Stewart married long-time girlfriend Tracey McShane, a veterinary technician, in November 2000. The exact date of their marriage is not publicly known, but on the April 23, 2002 episode of The Daily Show, Stewart stated that he had been married "almost 18 months."<6> On June 19, 2001 Stewart and his wife filed a joint name change application and legally changed both of their last names to "Stewart".<7> He proposed to her by working with Will Shortz, the crossword editor at The New York Times, and together they created a puzzle that popped the question. The couple had their first child, Nathan Thomas Stewart (named after Stewart's grandfather) on July 3, 2004. Their second child, a daughter, Maggie Rose Stewart, was born on February 4, 2006.<8> They also have a cat named Stanley and two pit bulls, Shamsky (named after Art Shamsky) and Monkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stewart

[AZBlue]

150. Yeah, I was pretty disillusioned when I found out about Bill Maher's dating life too.

Too bad you can't find the combination of brains and taste. Probably just their way of making sure they're the smarter one in the relationship. Disappointing.

[ellacott]

151. Why, because he dates black women?

[AZBlue]

152. God no.

Because he dates young, uber-breasty playboy models and porn stars.

[ellacott]

153. Oh, ok n/t

[AZBlue]

157. No, that gives him bonus points as far as I'm concerned!

;)

[MADem]

154. His "New Rule"--Three Dates and that's IT!!

After his horrible experience with Miss, er, as she calls herself lately, 'Johnsen' (who tried to sue him, quite unsuccessfully--she was laughed out of court, in short) he's much more cautious.

Some fellas are just not the marrying kind. Some are immature. It's really better, for them and everyone they associate with, if they KNOW their limitations in those areas and make them a matter of public record.

[AZBlue]

156. Very smart.

There are definitely some guys, and girls, who you'd want as your friend but never your boy/girlfriend. And, it is much better, for everyone, if that's out and in the open.

Isn't she the same one that wrote the tell-all book that was panned? Women like her give the rest of us a bad name!

[MADem]

159. She's a DELTA flight attendant, the one who sued. She's still working, I think.

She frequently does the Scandanavian routes. No book out of her.

The book was penned by a stripper/adult film actress.
Ahh, Google tells me her name is Karrine Steffans. And she's writing another!!!

Per this write-up, she's a busy young lady--Chris Rock, Bobby Brown...old Bill had better take a number!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/108422/the_vixen_diaries_karrine_steffans.html

[AZBlue]

161. Oh my!!

You'd think men would stay away from her so they wouldn't be in the sequel.
:shrug:

Thanks for the clarification - I can't keep them all straight!

[MADem]

163. You know what they say about publicity, though--there's no such thing as bad publicity

Geez, K-Fed oughta send her some roses!! Maybe he'll get a line in the book, and another commercial!

[AZBlue]

176. K-Fed! Ha!! As a comedian said (can't remember who):

"Who knew he'd wind up being the responsible one in that couple??"

[MADem]

202. Sounds so very much like Conan.... NT

[malaise]

165. If Keith is happy

I'm happy for Keith. I'm interested in Keith the journalist. Keep up your great work KO.

[lebkuchen]

167. As long as KO isn't sexually harassing her on the phone or otherwise, as per O'Reilly

who cares?

[MADem]

169. Maybe on the apartment intercom...since they're living together!!!

And maybe she gets a kick out of it!!!

[lebkuchen]

170. If KO doesn't hear from her lawyer, he's safe

in "good hands," even. ;)

[MADem]

171. I'm guessing she likes the guy. She moved across country, after all.

So, if he's playing "Carlton the Doorman" with her, it's all in good fun!!!

[lebkuchen]

172. She went to UCSB

so she's a party animal (like I used to be :) ). She'll provide KO some balance...

[Kurovski]

179. Why does this heart-breaking thread keep re-emerging?

:cry:

Try as I might, the searing, omnipotent power of the Gay Agenda held no force to sway Keith to the other side.

Geez, that whole male-female thing is so Garden of Eden, so 1 BC. :eyes: :-)

[MADem]

206. Oh hell, look on the bright side

You have every bit as much chance as the rest of the rabid, angered amoratas hereabouts to snare the guy!

At least it's a level playing field!!!

:rofl:

[Quixote1818]

182. Has anyone broken the news to Stephanie Miller yet?

Stephanie frequently calls him her "future husband". This may be tough for her to handle. Poor Stephanie!

On that note: Why the hell wouldn't he go after Stephanie Miller?????? OMFG!!! She is awesome! What the hell is he thinking???? She has been sending him the green light for months now!

[Berry Cool]

190. Oh, Stephanie knows. Her listeners torture her with news of it all the time.

She doesn't care. You go, girl!

[MADem]

197. Well, the poor lass probably doesn't have a prayer--doesn't meet the

Katy Tur "appearance standard" detailed upthread! :rofl:

[CanuckAmok]

192. The reason we "older" men date 23 year old girls is....

... because we can.


It's arguable that it's some sort of desperate grab for our own long-passed youth, or denial of our imminent mortality.

The people who make that argument are stupid, and not getting nearly enough barely-legal action. In actuality it's all about denial of the flappity yoohoos.

[jeffrey_X]

200. I hate this celebrity news shit! Can we please just put an end to it all??!!

Seriously??? Who fucking cares??

Oh, that's right...most of America cares. Pathetic. I can't wait until the Iraqi people get the E! network. It is only then that democracy will have won.

[MADem]

207. This is GOSSIP. There is that swell thing you can use, it's called

HIDE THREAD...

It helps at times like these!

[Chovexani]

222. Well I dunno

I'm 25 and I wouldn't throw him out for eating crackers.