What if ALL the gays in the military came out at once? I think I heard there were about 60,000

[OregonBlue]

Where would the military find enough troops for their illegal war? Gays should stand up to Pace. He's only too happy to let them die for his cause, just keep quiet about it.

[peacebird]

1. Interesting idea - wonder what would happen if they did that?

[bobbie]

13. VERY interesting idea...

I'd love to see the results for myself.

[Sequoia]

2. I think they should all just get out. No one seems to care if they die

but they sure want to sign them up for Mom, God and Country. When someone mouths off as loud as he does you gotta wonder if maybe he's gay too but trying to hide it.

[tnlurker]

3. He also said

That adultery as in soldiers sleeping with other soldiers wifes was immoral. If adulteress soldiers and gays both left at once you would have about half the current force left.

[northzax]

8. adultery is, in fact, forbidden by UCMJ

Article 134.

[Fresh_Start]

4. Time for gays and adulterers in the military to fess up.....

help get our country out of bush's outhouse.

[Sherman A1]

5. Interesting theory

and one that perhaps would be worth looking into. However, didn't Pace support Don't Ask, Don't Tell and offer his "opinions" (to which he is certainly entitled just like everyone else)? No one has to agree with his feelings, but he is certainly free to not only have his personal feelings, but also express them.

[msongs]

16. his personal feelings need to be expressed out of uniform and NOT as whatever hack job he has

rape torture and murder are also illegal but pace has no problem with his troops committing all those things in the name of his "upbringing".

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[Sherman A1]

24. My understanding was that he was asked a question

and he answered it.

[mondo joe]

30. Problem is he wants to base policy on his personal feelings, rather

than reason or law.

[Sherman A1]

32. How so?

[mondo joe]

33. He's not the pope. What does his feeling about others' morality have

to do with military policy?

[Sherman A1]

34. So if you are asked a question about how you feel about something

you should not reply?

Did the free speech thing go away while I was offline this afternoon?

[mondo joe]

35. I don't respond about my PERSONAL feelings in my PROFESSIONAL capacity, nor

do I think my PERSONAL feelings should dictate POLICY.

Similarly, teachers should not proselytize in school.

[slackmaster]

6. They won't do it

Gay people who are in the military have already made a personal decision to keep their orientation secret, a sacrifice required for their chosen career.

[katsy]

17. And that makes pace's bigotry al the more outrageous.

His remarks are disgraceful.

[SoCalDem]

26. And who would want to sacrifice their pension, if they have managed to stay

in for a long time? People have to look out for number one these days.

It would really suck to have devoted 15 years to your career, only to have to forfeit that and start over.

Lots of people like the military for that reason. One can go in at 18, spend 20 years, and retire at 38, with a pension, and plenty of time for a whole other career.

[qwlauren35]

39. I think you've nailed it on the head.

I think many of us tend to sacrifice "principles" for income from time to time. And once you start, it's hard to stop. I have also found that the higher up you go, the more you may have to sacrifice. Because as you rise, the "politics" get uglier, because there's more money at stake.

I have a feeling that many, many gay and lesbian soldiers are "out" locally. Shall we say, a significant minority. And that their contributions are such that they are shielded. Only a moron would out a soldier who just saves his or her life.

But sometimes I sense that those who want *others* to make big sacrifices like "outing themselves" have so much less to lose.

[havocmom]

7. along with anybody else who feels abused by a criminal CIC

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[John Q. Citizen]

9. I have often wondered why people stop lossed or redeployed for the the

umpteenth time don't just claim to be gay, or bi.

[GreenZoneLT]

11. Loyalty, patriotism, esprit de corps

It's not JUST a job, y'know.

Very few people are willing to get out of something their unit is going into. They'd like for their unit to not have to go, but they're rarely willing to desert their buddies.

[John Q. Citizen]

15. This is true. However, some don't want to go back even with the tribal pull calling them.

others re-up for the same reason you wrote about.

I remeber during Viet Nam a freind in high school a few years older than me told me when he got his draft notice, he filled out the paper work, and drew pictures of penises on the envelope.

They wrote him back and told him not to bother showing up for his physical....

[gollygee]

10. It would probably be pretty efffective

It's always hard to quit your job though, and I'd also be worried about them being on the receiving end of violence.

I suppose those are the risk for any kind of strike, but with homophobia added in it could be worse.

But it would certainly be a wake-up call. Strikes are usually very effective.

[cboy4]

12. Considering the way Pace and his group of clowns have

treated the injured soldiers and Marines at Walter Reed, is it any wonder he has this attitude toward service members who happen to be gay?

Talk about one screwed up military.

Oh.My.God.

Let's hope Pace is on the list for the next person to be fired.

[helderheid]

14. YES! I think it's great.

[hardcore]

18. Where did you get that number?

I've never heard that estimate/ guesstimate on that population before and would like to know more.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

25. Here you go:

http://www.sldn.org/templates/press/record.html?record=3652§ion=2

[quinnox]

19. good idea

All the gays in the military should proudly and openly declare their status. Let's see what happens then, maybe they can change things.

[Spazito]

20. Wow! Pace is saying he thinks its okay if you are "immoral", by

his terms, as long as you agree to be cannon fodder for his and the Pentagon's wars and keep quiet about your "immorality".

I can't find the words to express my disgust for this man.

[Colobo]

21. Sexual orientation and adultery should have nothing to do

With your ability to serve your country in the battlefield.

[saltpoint]

29. Agree. I would have thought that West Point was still teaching

military history. Surely the Theban Band would have been a point worthy of cadets' consideration as they learn to become commanders.

Where was Pace on the day that was covered?

[EC]

22. Seems like it would start deployment

since they won't have the number of troops needed anymore...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

23. If ALL of them came out, would Peter Pace himself be one of the ones coming out?

I mean, you never know with these holier-than-thou hypocritical Republican political hacks. And that sums up Peter Pace: Mr. holier-than-thou who even said Donald Rumsfeld spoke to God:

"He leads in a way that the good Lord tells him is best for our country".

Since when did our military become politicized and evangelized? Oh, that's right; Bush and his hypocritical political hacks came to town.

[TX-RAT]

27. Just curious

Under a don't ask don't tell policy, how did they come up with 60,000?

[saltpoint]

28. 60,000? That's quite a bit more than the "surge" amounts, isn't it?

Pace should have known better. The remark was antiquated, more like something out of the Eisenhower era than 2007, and it insulted American citizens -- whose private sexual expression is none of General Pace's damn business.

[rebel with a cause]

31. The war would end because

There would not be enough army/navy/marines/air force left to fight it. ;-)

I'm probably wrong on that, but it would be interesting to see.

[goclark]

36. That was my thought exactly

And someone in another thread told me that they were in the military for their country.

I say, if their country has indicated that they are not "moral" and they have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, that is not right!

I say the Gays need to call their bluff.

[kdpeters]

37. So are we homos supposed to support the troops and the military or not?

Tell you the truth, when the top military commander in the nation starts weighing in on morality and singles me out specifically -- I'm starting to get a little scared. Especially since I just watched Schindler's List again. They never thought it would happen there either.

[JI7]

38. i wonder if the percentage of gays in the military is higher than

the percentage of the gay population as a whole in the country.

i ask this because i know of many gays who served in the military. i know it could just be my own personal experience.

but whatever it is, if all gays came out at once they woudln't do anything until as long as they were serving in the war. but once they returned home they would probably cut their benefits and some other punishment. of course they do this anyways.