Another hot blonde school teacher caught doing 17 year old male student

[Atman]

17. A "kid?"

Weird story, though...the teacher was the principal's wife, and they suspended the kid, trying to cover it up.

"Breaking" on MSNBC.

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[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Gonzales news conference in a few minutes

what better distraction than a story about a hot blond teacher having sex with a student?

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

2. My thought exactly. I had to switch the channel.

I can't stand Noron. BTW, C-Span 2 is supposed to be covering the press conference with Gonzo...

Not on yet, they're re-running call ins to WJ from this morning.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. Yep

Especially if it's not a really recent story. I think they keep these things on tap, just in case.

[Atman]

14. Thanks...good catch.

I posted it on my way out the door. I was wondering whether I had to be so blatant. There is always the DU contingent who says we're nuts for thinking these sort of distractions are somehow "orchestrated."

The other "BIG" story on MSNBS? Obama doesn't pick up his dirty socks.

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[Decruiter]

109. This is so yesterday and such a non-story. Everyone here should recognize this

for what it is. DISTRACTION! Kill this thread now-

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. I don't care if he was 18

Having a sexual relationship with a student is a heinous moral and ethical abuse of her position. And if they suspended him to cover it up that compounds the offense.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

6. I agree about abusing her position, but I think Gonzo's predicament

is slightly more important than this story.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. Damn straight it is

Unfortunately, I'm not by a TV right now so I can't see Torture Boy defending himself.

[Mike Daniels]

33. That seems to be the point that some DU'ers miss or choose to ignore

Regardless of whether a 16 or 17 year old student wanted "it" or was an eager participant, there's still a guardian-style relationship between the student and teacher (as an employee of the school) that shouldn't be violated.

Once the student is at the age of consent I don't see the logic in a jail sentence. However, the teacher should at minimum be fired and kept from teaching for a period of time.

[Atman]

35. No one denies that the teacher SHOULDN'T have done it.

I'm bothered by the ridiculous assertions that it was somehow "rape." It was a 17 year old. I'm a male...I was getting hard-ons from the age of 12, at least. It happens...it's called biology, and no law passed in the state legislature can change biology. You really think I was just happily willing to wait six or seven years to use the damn thing? Come on! Get real.

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[sandnsea]

43. How young would it have to be for it to be rape?

For you. Let's answer that first. And explain why.

[Atman]

52. Let's address you and Riverstone in one post, to save space.

How young? Why don't you explain to me why an 18 year old MAN can fuck anyone he wants, but a couple of months before his birthday a woman should get sent to jail if she fucks that same guy. Remember, the guy in this story is 17, not 12. By my 17th birthday I'd been laid half a dozen times, and done all the "heavy petting" stuff more times than I can count...Isn't that the very definition of arbitrary, to say that a couple of marks on the calendar makes a difference? We're NOT talking about 12 year olds, or even 13, 14, 15 year olds. George Bush could send this kid to die for his oil in a month or two, but he can't get laid by a beautiful woman? We have a couple of different issues...the woman was in a custodial position. She should not have done what she did. But it is absolutely absurd to call this "rape" in any sense of the word. A fat, sweaty 50 year old guy (or a thin, buffed 40 year old guy, just to be clear) pinning a 15 year old girl to the table and forcing himself on her is RAPE. It's rape if he does it to a 30, 40 or 50 year old woman, too. But it is NOT "rape" what happened in this case. This woman did not FORCE HERSELF on anyone. Both parties entered into it consensually, and the "minor" in this case was only a minor by virtue of a couple of marks on the calendar, not by a gross difference in years. It may be many other things, statutorily, but it is bullshit to call it "rape."

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[RiverStone]

60. A crime is a crime..

My point Atman was not as much about getting into a legal discussion on the definition of rape; my point was that (if guilty) this teacher broke the public trust and committed a crime. Period!

You agree she should not have done it. Do you believe she broke the law?

To flip the situation: I have a 17 year old daughter who is a Junior in High School - if I found out that the principal's husband, who was also a teacher at my daughter's school, was fucking around with my kid I'd go ballistic!

Tell me any parent who would NOT see that man as a sexual predator? I would expect him charged, convicted, and jailed. Assuming I did not get charged myself first for beating the shit out of him!


p.s. I try to practice non-violence, but all bets would be off if I found a teacher in bed with my school age daughter

[sandnsea]

63. So is the age 15, for you?

Or is it virginity? Or what exactly. Where is the exact line, for you, to call a sexual act statutory rape and/or sexual harrassment.

Because, we the people, who create the laws, had to come up with an age, and decided it was 18.

This teacher knew that. End of story.

[Atman]

65. Blah blah blah

End of blah blah.

You point out the problem precisely...some old fat white guys in legislature "decided" 18 was the age. WHY? Have you seen research? Do you have any idea WHY 18 is a magical age wherein one suddenly is able to fuck? Show me that research. Or is that a bunch of old fat white guy who knew they couldn't trust themselves wrote some arbitrary bullshit into law? I'd love to see how you arrive at this conclusion. There are lots of stupid laws.

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[Atman]

69. A 29 year woman is a "perverted old slut?"

Yikes. And if you really think a 17 yo is having his head "screwed up" by getting laid, well...uh...watch more Dr. Phil, I guess. Spend some time outside the kitchen, June Cleaver. YOUR head may well be screwed up by it, but that 17 yo will fondly remember it long after his lousy prom photos have faded.

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[sandnsea]

94. Going after a pupil??? Oh hell yes.

Good fucking god.

I've got 3 grown sons, spent more time on sports busses than you probably have. Guess what. The boys were talking about hot girls their own age, none of them seriously considered sex with a teacher.

And while you may not recognize how fucked up it is to have sex distorted for you by a perverted old slut, most of us women do. We're stuck fixing the mess.

[Tansy_Gold]

101. Let's see if I can remember back that far. . . .. .

At age 15, sophomore in high school, I had the hots for my chemisty teacher, who was probably in his late 20s. I also kept an eye on the very nice-looking and very married neighbor two houses down from my parents, as well as the father of a two-year-old boy I babysat for. My boyfriend at the time was 19, and I had no interest whatsofuckingever in anyone my own age.

Atman is correct: male or female, gay or straight, we all have hormones and we all have desires, and sometimes we get to fulfill those desires with the object of the desire. So maybe the boys on the sports bus only talked about the hot girls in school, but I'll bet my socks they fantasized about young teachers, the sexy neighbor, the buxom teller at the bank, the cashier at the dry cleaners who kept an extra button on her blouse unbuttoned, or whoever.

I think, however, that the "rape" issue comes in not only because a 17-year-old isn't capable of informed consent but because there is an element of perceived coercion and "abuse of power" if you will. I didn't read the whole story, so I don't know who was coming on to whom, but if it was the teacher, would a student really have felt free of any pressure to accede to the teacher's wishes? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but that *may* be where the issue of rape comes in.

And it is true that we have arbitrary "status" laws that make it a crime to have sex with your under-age partner one day, and perfectly okay the next because they've had a birthday. Same with drinking alcohol, driving a car, and so on. They are arbitrary, but they're still laws.

Tansy Gold

[eridani]

104. Not all unethical sex is rape

Teachers shouldn't fuck students, period. Even if they are of age and consenting. I don't think this particular situation is rape, but it sure the hell is unethical, and the adult should be nailed for it.

[BlooInBloo]

108. To some it is - correctly or incorrectly.

[eridani]

111. I'd say that incorrectly trivializes the real suffering of rape victims n/t

[BlooInBloo]

112. So would I - but at the cost of getting trampled by the mob.

[sandnsea]

113. As you say yourself

"I think, however, that the "rape" issue comes in not only because a 17-year-old isn't capable of informed consent but because there is an element of perceived coercion and "abuse of power" if you will."

What a confused teen-ager fantasizes about isn't necessarily what a teen-ager actually wants or is healthy for them. You obviously get that.

[BlooInBloo]

115. I assure you, I, and every other straight boy I knew were under NO confusion...

... regarding Senora Nicholson (mmmm....). And whether or not a choice (!!!) is a healthy one has exactly ZERO to do with either rape or age.

I really think what's holding this all back is the the trenchant unwillingness of some to acknowledge that, by and large, it's just *different* from boys to girls. By and large. By and large. By and large. By and large. By and large.

(I know it'll be ignored, but I like to try such qualifiers every month or so.)

[sandnsea]

116. You think it is

But it's not. It's the thinking that causes screwed up relationships, screwed up male attitudes towards sex. Being used for sex is never healthy for anybody, and that's all a perverted old slut would be doing to a teen-aged boy. On some emotional level, it wouldn't feel good to a boy to know he was a piece of meat any more than it feels good to a girl.

[BlooInBloo]

117. ... what is it that women sometimes say in situations like this? I can't quite remember.... Oh yah!

YOU'RE NOT MALE - YOU DON'T KNOW.

Holy shit - now I see why women do that all the time - it really DOES feel good!

:rofl:

Bottom line: What is "being used" in one-type-of-person's eyes may be, in some situations, perfectly fine to another-type-of-person. Why that's so unintelligible to some is beyond me. Not it's not - I'm just sick of saying why.

[Skittles]

119. stop thinking that a teenage male's raging boner negates all logic

it is seriously disturbing

[BlooInBloo]

121. (shrug) Life is tough all around.

[sandnsea]

120. There you go

"What is "being used" in one-type-of-person's eyes may be, in some situations, perfectly fine to another-type-of-person."

Just because YOU think you'd like being mauled by the Spanish teacher, doesn't mean every other teen-aged boy would. It isn't healthy for a teen-ager to be put into that kind of powerless sexual situation.

[BlooInBloo]

122. Yah - you would know better than me.... But fine.... go on laboring under the belief...

... that boys/girls don't have any differences (not gonna bother with by-and-large, seeing how blithely you ignore it). Let misunderstanding and interminable talking-past-one-another continue to reign.

And again - and of course it'll be ignored again - what's *healthy* is different from what is *rape*. Why you continue to talk about the former, as though it's relevant to the latter escapes me.

And dude - she was REALLY hot - and tall too - you don't get that too often.

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[BlooInBloo]

126. LOL!

[Atman]

133. Dude, thanks for filling in for me as Official Thread Whipping Boy

I'm well rested now...had an awesome dream that I was running naked through a field of watermelons.

:)

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[BlooInBloo]

139. ROFL! I was bored.

[BlooInBloo]

143. You gotta check out the every-boy-hot-for-grown -woman-has-been-abused line - CLASSIC!

Boy - I can totally understand the trouble the sexes have with each other, now that I see what females actually think about males - :rofl:

[sandnsea]

127. Grow. Up.

Admitting that boys can be emasculated by the abuse of an adult female does not mean that YOU have to admit YOU have been emasculated. Okay?

http://www.kalimunro.com/article_mother_son_sexual_abuse.html

[BlooInBloo]

128. LOLOL! Riiight. Boys just can't CAN'T want to hook up with a woman....

... with big boobies! LOL! It HAS to be abuse!

:rofl:

You folks slay me.

[sandnsea]

129. Yeah, every boy only cares about BIG boobies

Seeing as every boy is exactly the same and all. :eyes:

How is it you can understand that this wouldn't be healthy for most 12 year olds, many if not most 15 year olds; but somehow you just can't wrap your head around the idea that there would be a number of 17 year olds that wouldn't find it healthy either.

[BlooInBloo]

131. I've never once disagreed with the alleged unhealthiness. You're just deaf to anything...

... that doesn't agree with its being rape.

They aren't the same.
They aren't the same.
They aren't the same.

EDIT: And again - though you'll ignore it - I dispensed with the "by and large"'s because you so consistently ignore them.

[sandnsea]

132. That's the legal terminology

Statutory rape. That's what it means. An adult taking sexual advantage of someone who is not of legal age to consent.

Why? Because the adults in this country know that it's not psychologically healthy for teens to be preyed on by perverts.

[BlooInBloo]

141. LOL! If we were talking merely *statutory*, you could've spared us both a lot of time...

... and said so from the get-go, rather than repeatedly using JUST the word "rape" all by itself.

But you DIDN'T really mean MERELY *statutory* all along, did you?

But the attempt to go legalistic doesn't save your doomed enterprise to equate 'unhealthy' and 'rape'. Indeed you totally missed the direction of the counterexample I've given over and over and over - by god you're the world's best ignorer!

It's being unhealthy doesn't make it rape. Your irrelevant tangent into the world of *statutory* rape would be interesting had I asserted the *converse* of the previous sentence. But I didn't; so it isn't.


EDIT: Hey! You! Get back here with those goalposts! :rofl:

[sandnsea]

147. Again. Grow. Up.

You're the one who has made post after post about it being perfectly normal for teen-aged boys to lust after anything with big boobies, and that it would be hitting the jackpot if they actually got one.

Then YOU come back and say you always said it was unhealthy. Which you didn't.

I said way up above this was statutory rape. That's what the link I posted referred to as well, sexual abuse by females which is emotionally coerced. That's how boys are sexually abused, raped, by women.

Everything isn't a joke. The article I posted also said that many of the men who are rapists have been sexually abused by women as boys. So you're sitting here snickering at the very thing that ends up causing one of the biggest stigmas men have to deal with. Brilliant.

[Skittles]

123. BINGO

very eloquently spoken

[Blashyrkh]

110. Just curious...

"And while you may not recognize how fucked up it is to have sex distorted for you by a perverted old slut, most of us women do. We're stuck fixing the mess."

Being a 24 year old male, I'd like you to explain to me how exposing a 17 year old male to guiltless, free sex is somehow "distorting" sex?

"none of them seriously considered sex with a teacher. "

And your boys actually told you that? Or are you assuming that because you never heard one of them "seriously consider" it? I never seriously considered sex with a teacher either, doesn't mean I never talked about it or abused myself silly thinking about it.

[sandnsea]

114. See #128

And get back to me in ten years, when you've grown up and have kids approaching puberty.

[RB TexLa]

92. Many laws are set to some arbitrary requirement

Drive .001 under the legal blood alcohol level and you are fine, .001 over it and you are arrested for DWI, perhaps your ability to drive a car is the same. It doesn't matter, the requirement is set. Same thing here, one day before 18, rape, the next day adult fun. The requirement has to be somewhere. It's debated in open sessions of state legislatures, the laws are published for everyone to see. Reasonable people, especially teachers know it is against the law to have sex with someone under the age of 18 with the exception of adults within a certain age range of 18 depending on the state. She chose to break the law and society punishes those who choose to break the law. Until society deems a law against it's moral beliefs such as vagrancy laws, and many immigration laws they will be enforced. If they are enforced, they are enforced and it is called what the law defines it as which is rape.

[RiverStone]

47. What ever one calls the crime...

A crime it is and that teacher (assuming she's guilty) should be labeled as a sexual predator and serve out the sentence as decided by a judge and jury.

What really adds insult is the double standard which holds men to a greater degree of severity for the same crime as committed by women (sexual predators). I think BOTH men and women should be held to an equal standard of severity -and crimes against children- particularly coming from a teacher of children, is a crime of a very serious nature.

[gravity]

50. Men and women view sex differently

I think these teacher/student sex threads prove this point.

Rape shouldn't be based solely on age, but really the nature of the relationship between the two.

If a seventeen year old boy is defending the teacher, I wouldn't consider it rape.

[RiverStone]

57. There is no defense in breaking the public trust - and crossing that boundry

Having worked many years in education, my perspective on this may carry a different flavor.

Any teacher holds a sacred public trust, so automatically when that trust is broken - my reaction is harsh.

Secondly and I think another poster mentioned this as well - I understand what you are saying gravity regarding a 17 year old boy "defending" the teacher. But what if the situation were the same, but it was a 14 year old boy defending the teacher? I assume you would not defend that?

At what age does the culpability fall on the teacher no matter what - because the teacher is an adult and the student is a kid? I believe for the safety of kids - that a strict line in the sand must be drawn. It already has been - and teachers (or any adult) should know that line is there for a reason.

Being defended by the 17 year old boy does not excuse her behavior - there have been many sexually abused kids who tried to protect the perpetrator - it does not excuse the crime.

[gravity]

62. Her behavior was unethical as a teacher

But calling it rape and labeling her a sex offender for the rest of her life is just stupid in this case.

If the boy has been emotionally scarred and had to have years of therapy to recover than you have a case. He is more likely bragging about it to all his friends right now.

Geez lots of boys have sex at 17, and many of them are the ones taking advantage of women. I think he will recover fine. Lucky bastard.

[Colobo]

68. At 17, you can be in college

Your maturity level is way higher than a 13 or 14 yr old.

[BlooInBloo]

106. People here are scared shitless that to fail to be scathing HERE implies...

... weakness when women are raped/taken advantage of.

It doesn't imply that, but they think it does.

[Lasher]

125. The penalty for sex crimes is always a life sentence

Conviction of a sex crime will follow the criminal around wherever they go for the rest of their lives. They never just do their time and then get on with their lives.

Not saying people shouldn't be convicted. I'm just saying we should be especially prudent when deciding who should be convicted of sex crimes because the punishment is always a life sentence.

[Roland99]

140. Would you feel the same way if it was a male teacher and a 17 y-o girl?

See, this is that double-standard in these cases I've been talking about.

If it's a "hot blonde" well, then, bully for the little boy.

If it's a male teacher and an underage girl, well, the teacher is a depraved criminal! Off with is head!

[Skittles]

118. THANK YOU

I am SICK of so many DUers thinking how "lucky" these male students are - this behavior is sickening beyond BELIEF

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

137. That line of reasoning is coherent. Conversely...

...if she had sex with a 17yo who was NOT under her authority, my reaction would be "so what?"

[laughingloudly]

5. I guess this dispels.......

the stereotypical myth that female students are in danger of being exploited by their male teachers! The ratios in the last couple of years is about 10:1 or greater! And think how many never get exposed (do you think all teenage boys are reporting such encounters?).

Mothers! Protect your sons! There are a bunch of exploitive female pederasts out there trying to seduce your son in school while posing as teachers!

[LostinVA]

7. oh brother

"10:1" -- yup, I bet.

[Madspirit]

82. "10:1" -- yup, I bet.

Thanks. I was about to point out that absurdity. It's so rare they make tv movies about it when the woman is the older. It's so common when the male is the older it's just run of the mill. Look at the stats people. Use your google. It's still rare when the older abuser is a female.

Also, it isn't the ages, in this case, so much as the inequality of the relationhip...a teacher and a student. Give me a break. This isn't about how young guys get to be to start being laid. It's about someone in a position of authority doing the laying. It's wrong.
Lee

[Bombtrack]

99. You're just going on what the corporate media has decided to exploit for ratings

Oh and people trying to morally liken the 2 acts (hot female teacher/male student, male teacher/female student) have failed their campaign of bullshit, those living in a world of truth are not buying.

[NRaleighLiberal]

8. There may still be a blonde missing in Aruba....misdirect, quick!!! nt

[Up2Late]

9. I was amazed when I did a Google search on this type of thing a few months back.

I looks like dozens of these are happening every year now, and there are dozens of RW blogs and websites dedicated to reporting on these stories.

I too don't quite know what going on. Is it because of more, so-called "news" coverage, or is this sort of thing actually going on more now than before?:shrug:

All I know is, nobody in my school (that I know of) ever had this happen.

[Radical Activist]

32. Maybe its just normal

for people of different ages to be attracted to eachother and get involved. It has probably been going on for thousands of years before our society became so fascinated with it.

[Atman]

37. Not so much "fascinated" by it...but someone made a law.

And because of politics, the subject cannot be discussed rationally. Because if any elected official (or wannabe) dares suggest that 17 year old men like, enjoy and seek sex, they'll lose their election faster than you can say "hot for teacher."

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[Radical Activist]

49. this quote in the article

from the boys father just made me laugh...

"We are talking about an older person in a position of power and responsibility manipulating a child into thinking that this child wanted sexual contact."

First, 17 is the age of consent in most states, but seriously, no healthy 17 year old boy has to be "manipulated" into thinking he wants sexual contact. Sex is pretty much the only thing he wants at all times. What a joke!

She was wrong and stupid to do it because she was a teacher. She deserves to be fired from her job but not sent to prison.

[devilgrrl]

10. Oh, that's so HOT!

:sarcasm::eyes::sarcasm:

Bet a lot of guys here are bumming 'cause she wasn't their teacher.

:sarcasm::eyes::sarcasm:

[Colobo]

11. Actually

At age 17, I really wanted to be "raped" by several of my female teachers.

[uppityperson]

23. at 17 you probably had no idea what rape really was.

[Atman]

29. At seventeen, I wanted...

Oh, hell...never mind. Some people just don't understand the teenage male libido.

I would have been happy to be raped by a watermelon.

.

[uppityperson]

39. Beaten up, terrorized, a knife held to your neck and forceably assaulted?

I can understand wanting to have sex with anything you could get your penis into, but that isn't rape. I know of few teenager boys who, regardless of their continual erections, wanted to be violently raped.

Edited to remove the "f word" and replace it with "assaulted" as that f word is too much for the subject line.

[Atman]

42. That is a false argument. None of that is what we're talking about.

In fact, your comments are stupid and insulting. OF COURSE I want none of that. If you can show me that any part of that scenario is involved here, let's talk.

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[uppityperson]

44. rape is violence.

rape isn't funny, I don't know of 17 yr old who really wanted to be raped.

Katzenkavalier says at 17 wanted to be raped. I replied that didn't know what rape was at 17. you reply with a vague insult that I don't understand "the teenage male libido." and would be happy to be raped by a watermelon. I reply what rape is. This is not a false argument. Rape is violence. Not always with a knife, but wishing to be raped, you can't always chose.

Wanting to have sex with a teacher, or a watermelon, that is different than rape.

[Atman]

46. He put "raped" in quotes. I think we all know what he is talking about.

Except you, apparently. And that violent watermelon. Let's keep it in context, shall we? No one is talking about violent, forced sex here. No one. Except you.

:eyes:

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[uppityperson]

54. There is a difference. True.

One of my hot buttons, rape jokes, whether between male/female male/male female/female female/male. Laws are made to protect people, and they all have borders that can vary. If no one is around late at night, must you stop for that stop sign? Law says yes, legally they could ticket you, reality is the spirit of the law regarding that is to keep people safe from running into each other.

So, spirit of laws and reality of edges (15 is not ok, next day at 16 is ok) can be odd. Sex can be consensual and may not be. Having a wide variation in ages of people involved, or having a difference in power between the 2 adds in an extra factor. Having fantasies of women (or watermelons in your case) desiring to have consensual sex is different than wanting to be raped.

The term is used wrongly and demeans what happens to people who do get raped. The big question though is how do you feel about cantaloupes?

[Atman]

55. I wanted to sneak off and marry a honeydew...

But she said no...I cantaloupe.

:hi:

.

[uppityperson]

59. Didy you not carrot all for her?

[Colobo]

67. That's why I said "raped" and not raped

The quotation marks should indicate that I'm not referring to actual "rape"... still, if I offended someone with my comment, I'm sorry. I apologize, because it was not my intention to hurt anyone.

[uppityperson]

144. Thank you. I understand that, just don't understand rape or even "rape" jokes.

This case involved uneven power (teacher/student), as Tansy said in #108, not forcible assault. And I understand people having "rape" fantasies where they are "made" to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do or be able to do, though they really are very willing. I don't understand rape jokes and it is 1 of my hot buttons. All that said, my apologies for going off on you.

For those that continue to assert that all young men are led by their penises, many are, some aren't. Biologically, physiologically yes, most get erections at the drop of a hat, or watermelon, leading to the "are you happy to see me or is that a banana in your pocket" among other jokes about them. However, not all act on the desire of the penis to rub or be rubbed and there is nothing wrong with not acting. Part of maturing is learning that you do not need to act on your feelings. Some get this sooner, some later.

For those that are just yanking our chains, being teasing about sexual matters, immaturity, etc, sometimes things don't come through right on the internets. So to speak.

Now off to fruit salad for breakfast.

[Atman]

145. Mmmmmmm...fruit salad!

Speaking on bananas in my pocket.

:rofl:

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[frogcycle]

74. oh come on

this woman didn't forcibly assault the kid

if a scenario like you describe occurs, then yes, it is a violent crime, and it is rape.

but the fact is that the crime of rape has more than one flavor

there is drag you into an alley, beat you up, and forcibly penetrate you - that's the one that is widely referred to when saying "rape is not about sex"

there is 'date rape' - which also has various shades, from using the daterape drug to not stopping when she changes her mind.

then there is statutory rape. even it has more than one flavor. there are the pedophiles who force themselves on relatives, stepdaughters, etc - that's a twofer - it is forcible AND it is statutory. And if not forcible, it uses intimidation.

then there is consensual sex where one of the consenters is underage. It is wrong to lump all these crimes together. In the latter case, while technically five minutes under age is still illegal, it somehow does not seem as bad as taking advantage of a 15-year old who says she likes it and is a willing participant. damned if I know how and where to draw the line, but there is one in there somewhere. we don't feel the 15 year old is competant to make that decision. Or even if one is, many aren't, so they are all jail-bait.


I'd put this 17-year -old kid right there with the 5-minute underage. technically illegal, but...


Now as to improper behavior for a teacher - damned right. Just like Pokey at LSU, "behavior unbecoming" can be a career buster. Different topic.

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[LeftyMom]

71. Don't make flippant comments about rape.

You probably don't intend anything by it, but it's vile none the less.

[Colobo]

77. Exactly, I don't intend anything by saying what I said

[Balbus]

56. I admit I'm one...

:hide:

[redqueen]

12. Old story... only 'breaking' to distract the gullible.

Ugh... so typical & sickening.

[Forrest Greene]

13. And The Husband & Wife Suspend The Kid

That Catch-22, that's one helluva catch.

Of course, at seventeen, who wants to be in school anyway, but still.

[bdamomma]

15. where is rita crosby when you need her!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Is anybody going to post...

about how they'd like to shoot the teacher?

[slackmaster]

36. No, but I would like to be the first to say...

...This thread is worthless without pics!

[ComerPerro]

90. LOL, I was wondering that

[WI_DEM]

17. caught doing what?

:)

[Atman]

18. Actually, they didn't have sex.

At least, not by Clintonian standards. Merely "everything else."

.

[underpants]

19. Hannity has a diversion for another week

check out the H&C page on Fox they have a whole section on this

It's a two-fer don't talk about Reed/Libby/Dem Iraq plans/Gonzo AND give the old coots watching fox some hotties to look at

[leftofthedial]

20. this story has been in the news locally here of and on for several months

it appears someone waited to take it national until they need the distractive value.

[PCIntern]

22. Link please with pic of teacher

so I can be better informed of this disgusting, shocking behavior!

[RebelOne]

24. Here's a link. Click on the video to see the teacher.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17591403/

[XOKCowboy]

64. This happened MONTHS ago! Why is anybody talking about it now?

OK the kid talked to Matt Lauer! Whoopee!

[leftofthedial]

25. pix at link

way too hot for prison








uh, err, :sarcasm:

[SoCalDem]

26. Kind of Gingrich-esque, no?

:)

[Atman]

27. So let's get this straight...Scooter faces 1-1/2 years. Teacher faces LIFE.

Don't anyone for even one fucking second try to rationalize or justify these disparate penalties.

.

[Generator]

28. Where ARE the older overweight dark haired predator female teachers!?

I guess the boys manage to say no to them. Maybe the solution is to not hire the good looking teachers.

[Atman]

31. Bing-fucking-OH!

No kidding, huh?

You never, ever, ever...did I say EVER?...hear of a 300 lb 60 year old English teacher "raping" her students. It's always hot young blond women. Hmmm.

Conversely, the charges against males usually involve a nasty, slimey, sweaty old driver's ed teacher forcing himself upon a girl. Good looking young female teachers don't "rape" any 17 year old teenage boys. Sorry if you don't want to admit it. But that's simply the case. Any teenage boy over the age of boner would fuck a snake if he could hold onto it.

.

[frogcycle]

73. quote of the DAY!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

79. A lot of people feel threatened by the idea that there are any differences between boys & girls.

[jail_them]

41. "I guess the boys manage to say no to them."

Made me laugh out loud...


So, can we make this the official blonde bimbo thread? I mean, I'm ready to see them all lined up together.

We could do polls on which teacher is the hottest.


Seriously tho, HOW MANY blondes is it now?

[Atman]

53. No line-up unless you also include the old, wrinkly hags who rape 17 yo boys

Seriesly. Let's compare.

.

[Name removed]

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[Hawkowl]

30. Deliverance

Is it just me, or does the boy look like an older version of the banjo player from the movie Deliverance?

[Radical Activist]

34. I guess he got his revenge for that detention from the principal.

wow

[mikeytherat]

38. As old as the hills - I saw this happen, up close and personal, back in 1983

I walked into a classroom to find my buddy and our English teacher lip-locked and sprawled across her desk. She actually tried the, "He was helping me get something out of my eye," routine. Apparently my "adultery-dar" was fine-tuned back then because, a few weeks later, I found the same teacher and our wrestling coach going at it in the locker room. Several months later she gave birth to a son who looked nothing like her husband, but an awful lot like the aforementioned coach. She exploded in anger in our English class soon after, lambasting people for the "awful rumors" that were spreading like wildfire through the school. I sat there, dumbfounded, and I couldn't believe her brazenness; I mean, I caught her cheating not once, but twice! Eventually her husband transferred to the school (to keep an eye on her, no doubt).

And maybe it plays to the stereotype, but she was young, blonde, and pretty.

mikey_the_rat

[Evoman]

40. Why the hell do these hot teachers keep sleeping with little boys?!!

There are plenty of us hot 27 year olds who actually know what to do with a women. Honestly!

[Clark2008]

45. Because you're spoiled by then.

By then, you've become "men" and not sweet man-boys.

(Just a guess. I have a son and can't imagine wanting to have sex with any male under 25-30. Y'all don't know what to do before then).

[Name removed]

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[BlooInBloo]

87. (shrug) Our lacks as students are your (pl.) lacks as teachers.

[BlooInBloo]

86. 17 yo boy answer: Who the fuck cares?

:rofl:

[Up2Late]

51. Update from The Denver Post: Student will tell story on TV

(Maybe this is a "private school" thing? What the hell is a "Charter school" anyway?)

Student will tell story on TV

By The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 03/12/2007 09:00:55 PM MDT

The student at the center of a sexual assault case against a female teacher at Brighton Charter High School will tell his story Tuesday on NBC's "Today Show," according to a spokeswoman from the show.

The boy allegedly had sexual contact with the teacher, Carrie McCandless, while on an overnight school field trip near Estes Park on Oct. 28.

McCandless, 29, faces charges of sexual assault on a child by a person in a position of trust and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The boy has since turned 18.

McCandless' lawyer, M. Trent Trani, said he would reserve comment until after he has seen the "Today" segment.


<http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5421631>

[johnfunk]

61. What awful timing for Rita Cosby!

:rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

70. This story is several months old. It's just now that the boy is coming forward to tell his story. He

was on the Today Show this AM with his parents.

[kurth]

72. Just what every 17 year old male student needs

and dreams of.

[gulfcoastliberal]

75. Pics required for these threads...

nt!

[ellisonz]

130. THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PICS!

I agree and decided to post with caplocks upthread.

:evilgrin:

[Nevernose]

78. I thought this was yet more spam at first.

"Another hot blonde school teacher caught doing 17 year old male student."

Very tasteful thread title.

Don't get me wrong -- I still looked for the link to click on -- but the thread title, and subject matter, is juvenile at best. No pun intended.

[Nevernose]

80. In many states, this isn't even illegal, and don't fuck the students.

In many states, 16 is the age of consent. There are various qualifiers to this of course, such as the age of the partner. One of the qulaifiers in my state, for instance, says that no public school employee shall have sexual relations with a student, regardless of age or regardless of consent. Any 80 year old can have sex with a 16 year old, unless it is videotaped, a result of prostitution, or that 16 year old is a student of the 80 year old.

It still violates perhaps the most basic rule of teaching: don't fuck the students. Just don't. Keep it in your pants, and don't fuck the students.

It doesn't matter if you're a college professor and your partner was 38 years old: don't fuck the students. It doesn't matter if you're hot and the student wanted it, and it doesn't matter if the student is old enough to know what's what. DON'T FUCK THE STUDENTS.

Ever. Period.

I don't care what you're childhood was like, I don't care what you're marriage is like, and I don't care what your mental state is like: don't fuck the students.

[Colobo]

83. I'm 23 and a TA at the local university, and

many of my fellow T.A.'s have had sex with students. Several of my professors have dated students (one of them married a student).

As a young single guy, I see it this way: once the semester is over, you are fair game.

[Nevernose]

89. My father married one of his students..

They've been married for over 20 years now, and my stepmother is a great woman. Dad had great taste, and I could only be so lucky. But that doesn't make it right.

Even at the college level, I still think it's inappropriate, even if it is understandable. Just because everybody does it doesn't make it okay. There are power issues there, as well as standards and expectations.

TAs, btw, only have power over one grade. A "close" relationship with a professor can influence a person's entire college career, even if they're not in that person's class anymore.

It's just not professional.

Once the semester is over, you ARE fair game, especially with an age-appropriate TA. Unless you're still in high school (the dude you crushed on in ninth grade does not suddenly become okay to sleep with because you're in the twelfth grade).

[BlooInBloo]

103. Shorter nevernose: I don't care HOW happy everyone is - it's just, just wrong!

:rofl:

[RagingInMiami]

81. Is there a picture of the teacher?

[BlooInBloo]

107. Many. Google is your friend...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2948300&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

[JI7]

84. i wonder how many think she deserves to be shot and killed

of those who felt that way about the 27 year old guy who was shot and killed by the dad of the 13 years old girl he was having sex with.

[ComerPerro]

96. LMAO, beat me to the punch

[BlooInBloo]

105. All those who think saying anything less is tantamount to condoning the rape of women...

... And there are a goodly number of such people around here.

[Name removed]

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[ComerPerro]

88. Maybe the boy's father should murder the teacher with a shotgun, eh?

[Colobo]

91. Very different cases

[Atman]

93. No, he should have given the kid a watermelon in a blonde wig.

:eyes:

.

[ComerPerro]

95. draw a face on it, or no?

[Atman]

97. PERVERT!

:rofl:

.

[ComerPerro]

98. maybe get some Ms. Potato Head accessories for it

[Atman]

100. Ain't nothin' like some good potato head

But only if it's a consenting spud, of course.

And never in front of the other potatoes. Unless you cover their eyes.

.

[ComerPerro]

102. oh god, two puns in one post.

[frogcycle]

134. I don't understand all this talk of watermelon

I mean, watermelon is COLD!

Now, when I was a teen, I did hear a story about a guy sneaking that night's rumproast into the bathroom for a tete a tete, then putting it back in time for his mom to cook it for dinner...

but Watermelon? not so much!

[Atman]

135. At least YOU'RE not taking it seriously!

I hope. The DU humor-impaired contingent somehow felt one off-the-cuff goof remark I made equated to fantasies of forced sex with watermelons, and actually advocated "the R word." LOL!

For the record, I have great respect for fruits of all type, and would never defile a perfectly good watermelon, unless it was to jab a knife into it and cut it into pieces. That remark really bothered some people...but you'll notice that NO ONE has stepped up to defend the snakes (maybe that post got tossed out with the deleted sub thread).

.

[frogcycle]

136. nah, its still there, along with my reply

funniest line i have heard in a looooong time; deserves repeating:


"Any teenage boy over the age of boner would fuck a snake if he could hold onto it."

[Name removed]

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[Atman]

138. In a related story...VA. distributes comic book to Hispanics re: statutory rape...

Comic book used to warn Hispanics about statutory rape

DIONNE WALKER - The Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. -- Public health advocates are turning to a new medium to combat statutory rape among Hispanics in Virginia: A comic book warning that sex between teenage girls and older men risks pregnancy or arrest.

The effort grew out of a 2004 rape-prevention campaign that emblazoned the question "Isn't she a little young?" on everything from billboards to napkins.

To adapt that message for Hispanics, officials created a fotonovela, a type of Latino comic book featuring themes of love and betrayal.

"Getting males to challenge their peers about having sex with teens is hard in any culture," said Robert Franklin, an outreach coordinator with the state health department. He said a one-size-fits-all approach wouldn't work. "I can't just translate 'Isn't she a little young?' into Spanish."

Instead, the message is conveyed in "Gracias Papa," a fotonovela about a young woman, an older guy and a loving father. The 13-page story, written in English with Spanish references, will be distributed across Virginia starting in April.

<snip>

http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/213151/

[undeterred]

142. Which one should be kept out of the military?

I'm so confused. :hurts: