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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 11:50 PM
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A few nights ago, I awoke in a cold sweat. My mother was born during the Holocaust.
I am living during Sudan. Abu Ghraib. New detention centers for http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22illegal+immigrants%22+detention&btnG=Google+Search">"illegal immigrants" are now being built by Halliburton.

I awoke in a humanitarian panic attack.

How is it that as a human race we can be doing this? And for those of us not actively participating, how can we stand idly by? How is it I am incarnated NOW? Is it the bonobos versus the chimpanzees?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 11:56 PM
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1. Why?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 11:57 PM
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2. a LOT of people don't think of illegals as human.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 11:58 PM
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3. illegals, homosexuals, insert name here
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:00 AM
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4. Oh please. This is not a true statement. A LOT? Then they are
not human.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:02 AM
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5. walk around, turn on the TV. Illegals this, illegals that, and they are often depicted
not as human beings, but as parasites come to ruin our country, steal our jobs, and trash our communities.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:22 AM
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7. That's what criminals do, you know
The LEGAL immigrants are, and always will be, an asset to our country. Those who come illegally break that law first, more laws in order to get work (not paying taxes, forging or purchasing forged documents). And that's just the ones who come here to work.

Today, there are many more hard-core criminals coming here, partly because Mexico is using the US as a dumping ground for criminals so that they don't have to pay to keep their criminals imprisoned. Also, Mexico and other Latin American countries' gangbangers are coming here, in a (thus far successful) attempt to bring gangs like MS-13 to the US:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek/
(Google "MS-13 gang" to find many more results on the topic.)

And let's not even get into the subject of reconquistas....

Try living along the border for a month--just one month--and experience the terror that Americans face, as hard-core criminals literally swarm through their back yards, breaking into their homes for money, and so forth. Those are the people who REALLY understand the problems of illegal immigration. People who have never lived here and faced this reality need to STFU about a subject they know absolutely nothing about.

Nobody's saying the illegals are "parasites", as you claim; everyone knows they're people. Because only people can *choose* to break the law, while parasites have no free will.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:24 AM
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9. Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:29 AM
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11. they're all criminals, because they broke US law to get here. Common RW talking point.
Maybe they should be euthanized, eh?
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Texifornia Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:38 AM
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12. MS 13
MS-13 was founded in Los Angeles by the children of Salvadorean immigrants. It morphed into a powerful street gang. It was decided to deport MS-13 members to Salvador, many of whom grew up in the U.S. and had not been in El Salvador since they were small children. The street kids hooked up with the remnants of rebels and death squads in El Salvador and MS-13 emerged as a multi-national crime organization more violent than it had ever been in its original L.A. incarnation.

That is one reason why policy decisions on this issue need to be very sober and reasoned, there may be unintentional consequences.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:54 AM
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13. An objective observer would have to point out...
that the only illegals who are parasites ruining our country, stealing our jobs, and trashing our communities are the unelected Bush/Cheney cabal.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:55 AM
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14. lol
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:08 AM
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6. .
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:24 AM
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8. As for the detention centers
They're not being built for illegal aliens...they're being built to house "dissenters" (i.e., those who dare to oppose neo-con policies and things like the North American Union). In other words, since Bu$hCo *wants* illegal workers here, it's the Americans who oppose illegal immigration, who will be "detained".
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:25 AM
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10. first they came for the Jews
First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 01:47 AM
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15. Well read the warning
I got two warnings today
One from my own thoughts, the other my therapist.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=276&topic_id=5217&mesg_id=5217

And remember it was the mentally ill, disabled ,GBLT,and dissidents who were killed way before Hitler got around to the Jews.
I'll be targeted to die in the first waves of their killing scheme..
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