195-220; 0:00 left; Folks, it's has FAILED (nt)

[Brotherjohn]

[jtrockville]

1. 203-228 now... a few more trickling in...

[LSdemocrat]

2. What's the party breakdown?

[jtrockville]

5. Dems: 141-94, Repub: 66-132 (Total now is 207-226)

Still a bit fluid.

[liberalpragmatist]

6. ...

Yea: 141 D, 65 R
Nay: 94 D, 133 R

[MadrasT]

7. Party breakdown

DEM 141 YEA 94 NAY
REP 65 YEA 133 NAY 1 NV

TOTAL 206 YEA 227 NAY 1 NV

[City Lights]

3. CNBC says they'll keep the vote open in hopes of twisting some arms.

If they can't get enough twisted, they'll close the vote.

[TahitiNut]

4. Boehner was NOT able to deliver even 1/3rd of the GOP caucus. Boehner is toast.

Looks like the GOP will be seeking new "leadership."

GOP vote stands at 65-133-1 ... that's less than 1/3rd.

[melody]

8. Maybe when they look at the Dow plunge

And realize a quarter of their constituents will shortly be laid off, they'll think better.

[Truth2Tell]

9. Now it's 1/4 quarter of Americans "shortly" laid off?

That actually TOPS "mushroom cloud" as idiotic scare mongering.

Congratulations. You have been chosen for a job in the Ministry of Propaganda. Please report to the Reichstag immidiately.

[melody]

11. Insulting people doesn't strengthen your argument

It merely makes you look petty.

[Truth2Tell]

15. And fear mongering makes you look complicit. nt

[melody]

18. And when people are in the streets in two months, unemployed and hungry

The blood will be on your hands.

[Truth2Tell]

19. If that is where we are headed (and we may be), this proposed theft

won't make a whit of difference. It will only provide some get-away cash for the perpetrators.

[melody]

20. Yeah, we're sick so we may as well be dead?

That makes a lot of sense. :eyes:

[Truth2Tell]

21. What part of this bailout not doing anything to help do you not get?

I'm all for real help. This is not it. This is simply opportunism. These are the vultures pushing this cure, not the doctors.

[TahitiNut]

12. Unemployment rates will be above 10% before next Spring under the best of circumstances.

Count on it. :shrug:

[melody]

13. What would you rather have -- 10% or 25%?

I'm sorry, TN, but this is a monumentally stupid thing to have happen. I've spent three days poring over the bailout and related information and we need this thing *badly*. With it, we are screwed. Without it, we are profoundly screwed.

[TahitiNut]

16. The highest unemployment rate in the Great Depression was barely shy of 25%.

It'll take longer than next spring. I try to use rational numbers and estimates based on history ... not hyperbole and hype.

[melody]

17. That's the unemployment rate we know about

We're dead -- this is serious business.

[TahitiNut]

10. It's no accident that the financial sector Representatives (mostly NY) are pushing this.

Barney Frank and all the New York City congressmen are "on board" ... as are the "bedroom community" representatives.

[City Lights]

14. Harwood is reporting that there is no chance of passing this bill. It failed. nt