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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:13 PM
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the ONLY way we can take these bastards down: FOCUS
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 09:08 PM by stellanoir
Yoo Hoo. . .

Reality check. . .

At this point, the state of our once precious union can truly be construed as qualifying as a nothing less than a Constitutional crisis.

For so-o-o many years we've collectively endured a potentially mind numbingly blinding onslaught of. . .another day, another gross assault to our former basic rights and treasured civil liberties.

If there's one thing this "misleadership" has, it is an intrepid FOCUS on their message, however riddled with falsity and acute misrepresentations it generally is.

Progressives are notoriously all over the map with a vast array of good and noble intentions, goals, and priorities. Yet the adage of "herding cats" is more than not, all too applicable.

So though election reform has been a primary focus for years, and though public awareness of the insecurity of the machines has certainly heightened, the majority of folks are still clueless about this all important issue that is the cornerstone of our very democracy which is so-o-o critically essential to having representative leadership that is in no way pathetically of the corporations, for the corporations, and by the corporations.

As JG funnily posted in the lounge on his "romance thread" "Corporations aren't about LOVE."

Yet the primary issue upon which the vast majority of Americans now agree is the impossibility of our not so excellent Iraqi adventure.

Pacifism aside, the likelihood of winning a war based on lies is not only immoral but also exponentially remote as long as that war remains profitable to elitist that own mega-monopolies that profit from war.

So consider setting the "wayyy back" to the IWR (10/02) which is what enabled this unfortunate debacle to transpire in the "flopping" first place.

Some high powered Dems are so often derided for having voted for the IWR. When the idiotic media says, "well they voted for the war. . ." THEY DID NOT.

The specific wording of that resolution was something to the effect of "the Congress authorized the pRes to use force ONLY after gaining UN approval."

Yet, the UN NEVER approved of it. The inspectors were let back in.

Hussein's massive killing days were long over and were mostly conducted when Rummy and the gang were supplying him with $$$, WMD's, and arms. (Yeah, with the glaring exception of the slaughters committed during the Shia uprising that poppy so irresponsibly encouraged in '91.)

But still, Hussein, though unquestionably a tyrant, was purportedly writing romance novels and if memory serves, had written an opera by the time of our ghastly invasion. Go figure. There's no threat more grave than the threat of Weapons of Massively Bad and Tacky Drama. ya know? For this over a million deaths.

Congress essentially was fed bogus intelligence (aka sheer stupidity) from Chalabi (an extortionist) and "Curveball" (huh? that name sounds totally credible/not) and then coerced into deferring to the wisdom of the international community due to the then pending midterms of '02 and with the onus looming of unfairly being tainted as being "weak on terror" or "unpatriotic."

Of course they never should have fallen for it.

I still foolishly think that if the IWR could only be retroactively repealed based on the pres's insensitively idiotic disregard for it's basic and fully ignored stipulation of "with UN Approval," then the massive hemorrhaging of blood and treasure could finally be stopped, That violation alone qualifies as treason to say nothing of the plethora of criminality and thievery that's transpired since then.

Our executive branch of government is comprised of unenlightened and unconscious individuals who don't even qualify as even remotely humane. They misguidedly really think they are above laws long established. They've reigned like a bunch of thugs with presumed impunity.

They've simply no clue about Universal Law and no regard for International law whatsoever.

The new Congress & Senate speak of conducting "investigations" prior to any discussion of impeachment. If you don't think those investigations will be stonewalled as sluggishly as is possible, just consider the nearly 4 grueling years that have passed since Ms. Plame's cover was blown and the multiple ruses and obfuscations of the 9/11 commission.

As far as I'm concerned, impeachment will simply take way too long. * is paid to serve and protect we, the people and our Constitutional rights and has done quite the contrary, and everything but.

A Constitutional crisis is defined as the breakdown of the three branches of government. Well how many blocked investigations and mountains of vetos will it take before our representatives recognize that as of 12/00 we experienced more than a touch of a coup. . .?

With both the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq, * violated the parameters clearly set forth by the legislative branch of government. He summarily ignored that caveat and behaved like a bully aggressively playing "Risk" ever since, with utterly disastrous results.

Waiting for and arguing over impeachment will be akin to "Waiting for Godot" and before you know it, it'll be late '08.

If only the pRes (Pinky) & his vice (the Brain) would just resign post haste. Their game of global domination is not only heinously tiresome, it's entirely illegal. Their "vendetta on failure" (aka surge) is just plain nutz.

Blatant fraudulance and fascism has never been remedied by graciousness alone.

Please consider the possibility of an overwhelming movement to relentlessly demand nothing less than their resignations ASAP. Perhaps we can FOCUS on that, first and foremost.

Game OVER george.

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:16 PM
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1. Impeachment !! or Bust!!!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:32 PM
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3. I'd much prefer immediate multiple resignations.
Impeachment will take far too long. IMHO
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:10 PM
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13. kick w/ pic...
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:34 PM
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20. No No Impeachment AND then Bust 'em. That's the Constitutional way.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 09:35 PM by Wizard777
We really have no choice here.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:06 PM
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26. what about these actual rulings in a court of law?

International War Crimes Tribunal


United States War Crimes Against Iraq
Initial Complaint


Charging
George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker,
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell,
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named.


With



Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.


http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrim2.htm

Final Judgment:
International War Crimes Tribunal



Findings

The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt.

The members believe that it is imperative if there is ever to be peace that power be accountable for its criminal acts and we condemn in the strongest possible terms those found guilty of the charges herein. We urge the Commission of Inquiry and all people to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace must be based.

Recommendations

The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, sanctions and penalties against Iraq because they constitute a continuing crime against humanity.

The Members urge public action to prevent new aggressions by the United States threatened against Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Haiti, North Korea, Pakistan and other countries and the Palestine people; fullest condemnation of any threat or use of military technology against life, both civilian and military, as was used by the United States against the people of Iraq.

The Members urge that the power of the United Nations Security Council, which was blatantly manipulated by the U.S. to authorize illegal military action and sanctions, be vested in the General Assembly; that all permanent members be removed and that the right of veto be eliminated as undemocratic and contrary to the basic principles of the U.N. Charter.

The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent preservation of the reports, evidence, and materials gathered to make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide the widest possible distribution of the truth about the U.S. assault on Iraq.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:04 AM
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29. It's a mock trial. It's invalid and non binding. n/t
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 05:21 PM
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49. RIGHT ON!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:18 PM
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2. The Constitution seems pretty clear.
We have a leadership crisis.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:35 PM
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4. When the leadership is oblivious to the Constitution it qualifies as a Constitutional crisis.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:16 PM
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15. if what's happening in America now, isn't a "Constitutional Crisis" then the term is meaningless...
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:20 PM
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16. My definition of a Constitutional crisis has more to do
with conflicts within the bounds of the Constitution, not attacks against it.

But maybe it's a question of semantics.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:23 PM
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17. I only wish I got your edits earlier friend.
Next time for sure.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:52 PM
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5. Very nice, stella! K&R!
:applause:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:53 PM
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6. I'll kick that. - n/t
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:58 PM
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7. Thanks for the kick
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:09 PM
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11. This is one of the few places on earth that people say what you just did.
;)
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:59 PM
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8. K&R for a 3rd rec...

IT'S OUR PATRIOTIC DUTY



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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:01 PM
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9. K&R....yes....they should be forced to resign. ...n/t
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:06 PM
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10. kixin' it...
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:36 PM
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47. Oh my, what a sad image...it breaks my heart.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:10 PM
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12. by overwheming energetic force for sure
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:15 PM
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14. Oh, Stella! Well done!
I was yellin "Yeah--what SHE said!!"

Have I told you lately how MUCH you rock???



Laura
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:24 PM
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18. kick w/ pic...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:28 PM
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19. I feel the same about you and your lovely kitty cat too
Now can we get to five ? I spent the whole frigging day on this and have to go help my son with his "Julius Caesar" homework. Ack hemm speaking of Imperialism.

Yikes

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:06 PM
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21. Oct 2002 IWR (AUMF) and other documents linked at
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 10:15 PM by EVDebs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Resolution_to_Authorize_the_Use_of_United_States_Armed_Forces_Against_Iraq

""SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.""

The '...as he determines...' language seems to be carte blanche, however the AUMFs all include War Powers Resolution embeddedness. The '73 War Powers Resolution requires 'clear' (truthful) 'circumstances' and 'situations'.

Without WMDs the pretexts for war in Iraq are WhiteHouse/Chalabi/Neocon fantasies.

The 2001 AUMF against terrorists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force

and War Powers Resolution of 1973
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/warpower.htm

should be read by all DUers !

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:25 PM
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22. I'm happy to be the 12th R. This is such a great encapsulation of our current state of affairs.
:toast: MKJ
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:31 PM
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23. OMMMM MMMMMMMMMMM f'ingggggggglard KR
"government is comprised of unenlightened and unconscious individuals"

And what, may I ask, is so wrong wit that:evilgrin:

Those are the positive members of the administration. The ones who are
awake and lighting up are the *istas I'm worried about.

But they'll all be leaving soon, long trip to The Netherlands. Little
time in Amsterdam, museums you know, then it's a fun filled 20 years
at The Hague.

What's the frequency Stella?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:42 PM
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:21 AM
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35. whoops sorry for my flippancy last eve
I mistook frequency for flippancy I guess LOL
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:42 PM
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24. Reality check, indeed. Sometimes we need one "ordered up" thx Stella
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:44 PM
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25. Like a fever, sometimes a constitutional crisis is part of the cure.
We need this fever, now.

K&R for a brilliant post.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:03 AM
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28. Namaste!
:hug:
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:33 AM
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30. Kickedy kick...
Ya'll talkin my language here. :patriot:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 05:31 AM
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31. K&R
Even if not retroactively, let them repeal. Never thought of that, but it would put an end to the madness, would it not?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 06:57 AM
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32. good mornin' kick
thanks for all the rec's and responses
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 06:57 AM
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33. Like a LAZER.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:36 AM
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36. wow coming from mister lazer light himself
that's a real compliment. thanks
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:06 AM
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34. Excellent. K&R
Nice to read something really important, first thing in the morning.

The poor folks who yammer on about Election '08, as if the world was normal, are giving me headaches . . .

"just give me some truth" --J. Lennon
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:21 AM
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37. K & R Excellent post!!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hug:
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 09:57 AM
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38. Thank you Stella!
:kick:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:21 AM
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40. thank you CB
for getting me to entitle this thread so harshly

you brute LOL
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:05 AM
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39. Thank you Stella ...
Game.
Set.
Match.

I do believe you're on to something! :applause:

:grouphug:
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:50 AM
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41. Eggggzactly!
Excellent, Stella! K&R! And extra points for the Pinky and the Brain reference. Hmmm...there IS more than a passing resemblance, isn't there? Hey Photoshoppers who are faster on the "draw" than I am, superimpose Bush and Cheney's faces on this, will ya?

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:15 PM
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43. Thanks for the graphic
LOL

Pinky-"what do you want to do today "Bwrain" ?"

Brain-"same thing we do everyday Pinky. . .contemplate total global domination."

Ya know. . . it IS fairly creepy how that cartoon precisely foreshadowed the idiocy of this "misadministration's" foreign policy.

Perhaps they aren't really "blood sucking, baby sacrificing, shape shifting reptilians" but are REALLY mutated laboratory mouse cartoons.

If only. . .



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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:07 PM
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42. Thank you, Ms. stella.
Focus is essential. Good luck to the folks in DC this weekend!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:40 PM
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44. I believe that our Democrats, instead of rolling over and
taking the punches thrown at them by the Republicans, need to start dissembling the RW campaign strategy from the beginning by exposing the hypocrisy behind the promises made to get single issue voters, fence sitters and the apathetic about politics citizens to vote for them.

The big issue in 2008 for the Republicans is going to be about illegal immigration, which is about baiting normally liberal leaning voters with a latent streak of racism in them to vote for them because they will take care of it. Republican presidential wannabe Duncan Hunter has already made his position clear on this.

The fact is these hypocrites need the illegals to exploit them as domestics and paid less "under the table" workers. They have no intention of doing anything about this matter once they are elected and the issue can be ignored then. This is why you haven't seen much about challenging Roe vs. Wade lately because their women too do get abortions and it wouldn't be in their best interests to upend this law. Yet look at the traction they got with the pro-life agenda since 1996 and Roe vs. Wade is still law.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:55 PM
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45. Wedge issues are just that and are not promulgated by those
even remotely concerned with the greater good.

I think your perceptions about the illegal immigration issue are totally on target.

There is a funny local R&R disc jockey who was ranting a while ago about this over the last month. He said (paraphrasing) "if they really wanted to solve the issue of illegal immigrants, they could solve it in a couple days. All the government would have to do is fine the companies and individuals who hire illegal immigrants a million bucks per every employee who is an illegal immigrant and the issue would go "poof."

But no, the "towering geniuses" in charge think it's a completely brilliant idea to get gouged even more by Halliburton hiring them to build a wall that probably won't even stand up. Yikes.

I heard a guy who really knew this issue cold on NPR who had written an article in the Nation which I then tried to track but was not successful. He said (paraphrasing again) that "entire villages were deserted in Mexico because there was no work. He said that the remedy was for American businesses to invest in Mexican businesses and that the Mexicans would much rather stay there if they could make a living."

Made sense to me. Though I'm admittedly not that familiar with all the intricacies involved.

As to the choice/life issue, a very wise friend said that it was neutral to her because if women owned their bodies and were spiritually aware, there would be more conscious conception and the issue would be mute.

Now pullease don't misunderstand or start up about pregnancies resulting from rape and incest as those are entirely different circumstances than accidental pregnancies, she was just musing on people becoming more conscious of what they were doing sexually and it is within our power to do so.

Just wish all those lifers would concentrate more on children born impoverished instead of playing G-d casting judgment on desperate women making impossibly difficult choices. IMHO various spirits fully incarnate at varying stages of pregnancy based on a confluence of relatively unknowable circumstances.

Thanks for your insights as always.




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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:12 PM
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46. Recommended.


BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION - 24/7
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 05:00 PM
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48. thanks prof
Your vote is always worth boatloads to me. Guess I'm about as fair and equitable as Diebold. egads.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:25 AM
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51. LOL!
:rofl:


Peace, my friend,
Bob
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:44 PM
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50. and I hope the entire cabinet with him
we can always try them afterwards - if we want

ooga booga smooga wooga
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:34 AM
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52. One final kick
"cause this effort consumed my week. Let the FOCUS spread like a virus,

Multiple resignations because we simply, deserve far better.

peace & OBSW
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