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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:51 AM
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The results of torture. This is unbelievable. From the NYTimes....
This is the list compiled by the NYTIMES of the attacks this terrist has confessed to:

Taking Responsibility for Attacks

In a statement to a military tribunal, Khalid Sheikh Muhammed took responsibility for 31 terror attacks or attempts, including the following:

1. The 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

2. The 9/11 attacks, from A to Z.

3. The shoe bomber operation to down two American planes.

4. A 2002 shooting in Kuwait that killed an American marine.

5. The Bali nightclub bombing that killed more than 180 in 2002.

6. Planning attacks against several prominent American skyscrapers.

7. Planning to destroy American military vessels and oil tankers.

8. Planning to bomb the Panama Canal.

9. Planning to assassinate several former American presidents, including President Carter.

10. Planning to bomb several New York landmarks, including the stock exchange and suspension bridges.

11. Planning to destroy several London landmarks, including Heathrow Airport and Big Ben.

12. Planning to destroy buildings in the Israeli city of Eilat, using planes leaving Saudi Arabia.

13. Planning to destroy Israeli and American embassies around the world.

14. Sending fighters into Israel to conduct surveillance on strategic targets.

15. Bombing a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, frequented by Israeli travelers.

16. Launching a Russian surface-to-air missile at an El Al airliner leaving Mombasa.

17. Conducting surveillance on nuclear power plants in the United States.

18. Planning to hit NATO headquarters in Brussels.

19. Planning to bomb 12 American aircraft full of passengers.

20. An assassination attempt on President Clinton in the Philippines in 1994 or 1995.

21. Shared responsibility for an assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II in the Philippines.

22. Planning the assassination of President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan.

23. Attempting to destroy an American oil company in Sumatra owned by the Jewish former secretary of state, Henry Kissinger.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/us/15glist.html

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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:53 AM
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1. I'm betting cheney really enjoyed his time with him
while he was in one of our famous invisible prisons.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:19 PM
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21. I'm surprised they couldn't get him to confess to being the actual shooter,
during the Cheney hunting incident.
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Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:20 PM
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39. Maybe he'll even say he did Jon-Benet Ramsey n/t
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:25 PM
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44. Jon Bennett
SHHHHHHHH.....dont tell him that....the Government might fly him business class back to America
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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:53 AM
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2. You gotta be kidding?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:55 AM
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5. You waterboard me and I'll be singing any song you request.
You can't make this shit up!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:14 PM
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42. well, this explains amelia earhart. and hoffa. and judge carter.
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 02:15 PM by roguevalley
and ____________________________.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:54 AM
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3. Interview rules
A loud scream means "yes" OK?

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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:55 AM
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4. kick
. . . for the absurd.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:55 AM
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6. He also claims responsibility for the Dell guy
and the way fast food clerks hand you your change with the coins balanced on top of the bills like a little haystack. So annoying! coins all over the place!

Oh, and he offered the lives of his own children for one breath.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 02:44 AM
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48. I HATE the way they put the coins on top of the bill...AND the receipt!
The whole thing slides all over the place. In the "old days", they used to put the coins in your hand first, then the bills, and then put the receipt in the bag. Who in the HELL wants to put a receipt in their wallet (or pocket) with their change?

....but I think that's off topic...sorry!

The minute somebody even SUGGESTED I might get tortured, I'd confess to things I'd never even HEARD of!

:kick:
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:56 AM
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7. Well I guess we can declare victory in the war on Terror--
chief perpetrator has confessed while in custody. Onto which flight deck will Bush land to announce "Mission Accomplished."



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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:57 AM
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8. Since #6-23 have not happened, perhaps
"Detainee" just exercised his imagination under torture and gave the interrogators what they wanted to hear: dastardly plots.

It's like the "plot to blow up airliners with liquids" fuss. I was in England when the news broke, and eventually, it turned out that the people arrested had been talking big but hadn't actually taken any steps to implement their plot.

Now petty tyrants at airports worldwide have another excuse to harrass airline passengers.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:01 PM
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14. Just like the "witches" tortured during the Inquisition
"Confess to the usual fornicating with the devil, plotting to murder Godly priests, blasting crops and drying up cows and we will let you die, or refuse to confess and the torture goes on and on and on and on...."
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:14 PM
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35. They didn't have passports or tickets
"None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time," UK writer and broadcaster Craig Murray wrote August 14, 2006.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Liquid_bomb_plot_August_2006
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:57 AM
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9. Well Case Closed Then
We needn't worry about Bin Laden since clearly he is the guy responsible for everything.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:58 AM
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10. So the "war on terror" has been won?
Is that right Mr. Bush?
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cordelia106 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:59 AM
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11. ...he also
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 12:02 PM by cordelia106
He also confessed to 'vandalizing' the Whitehouse with the Clintons. What a pile of crap presented as news!.... but wait I though Bin Lauden is the mastermind, who..oh never mind.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:00 PM
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12. That torture shit really works!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:00 PM
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13. BREAKING NEWS!
KSM confesses to assassinating Lincoln!
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:07 PM
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17. KSM: I was the guy behind the Grassy Knoll in Dallas!
What gets me is that the media are apparently not even questioning any of this.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:16 PM
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37. You beat me to it.
Dang. I wish I had read your post before I said the same thing.
Lee
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wavesofeuphoria Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:04 PM
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15. 24. Levees breaking in NOLA
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:11 PM
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19. 25. Adding the baby to Mad About You and ruining the show for my ex-wife.
I read where we kidnapped his sons and now after all of these months he's singing like a bird. Yeah, I believe this.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:06 PM
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16. ..."including President Carter"
:wtf:

Why is he singled out?

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:08 PM
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18. Amazing what you can accomplish with the Iron Maiden and the
Rack, eh?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:16 PM
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20. Does 2 + 2 = 4?
Let's ask Mr. Orwell how we are doing.
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Dr Batsen D Belfry Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:20 PM
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22. 26. Vince Foster's Death
27. Introduced cast of Different Strokes to drugs
28. Fathered Anna Nicole Smith's Child
29. Killed Ron Goldman while working with OJ
30. Made Steve Guttenberg a star in the 80's
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phatkatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:08 PM
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32. 31. Outed Valerie Plame.
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 01:10 PM by phatkatt
32. Personally shipped all WMD's out of Iraq and into Iran.
33. Fired the federal prosecutors.
34. Sent suggestive text messages to under-aged male pages.
35. Made food that is bad for you taste really good!
36. Told Hillary to run.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:22 PM
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23. The rest of the world believes so to. Today we (The USA) are the laughing stock
of the world community.

How can you blame the rest of the world for the jokes seemingly write themselves. :shrug:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:25 PM
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24. Makes you wonder if they are trying to frighten citizens by showing just how far down they can break
a human being when they get complete control over him, with absolutely no chance for his escape.

What if it's their message to everyone, "Don't F*ck With Us?" Maybe they've decided to threaten the world at large and scare as many as possible to make everyone more frightened and more submissive to them at a time they could easily start losing their control altogether, now that weaknesses are appearing in their armor.

Surely no one is stupid enough to imagine all these claims are true: it has to be the result of sadistic, relentless torture.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:32 PM
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26. But they media are reporting is as if it were true.
Although I certainly agree that they are being foolish and naive - in my judgement willfully so.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:36 PM
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29. The media is scurrying to bury the Gonzales story....post haste.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:29 PM
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25. Even the Red Queen could only believe six impossible things before breakfast.
Recommended #3
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:34 PM
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27. I bet this damn early daylight savings thing is his fault too!
Torture is very effective at getting a confession. It is not necessarily effective at getting an *accurate* confession though.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:36 PM
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28. I'm sure he is responsible for global warming also
A person will confess to just about anything while they are being tortured
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:51 PM
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30. If he's responsible for it all, then we're fighting TWO wars for NOTHING!
:eyes:
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:53 PM
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31. Good, we got 'em now, our troops can come home. n/t
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:09 PM
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33. Right-o. n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:11 PM
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34. For my response I quote the great Quentin Tarantino
from Reservior Dogs


Nice Guy Eddie: If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:15 PM
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36. So it wasn't a Lone Gunman?
Was he behind the shooting of JFK?

I don't get torture at all. Besides just the ethical issues, any first year psychology major can tell you that the information gathered from torture is notoriously unreliable.
Lee
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:48 PM
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43. It doesn't even take a psych major -- it's just fucking common sense
THINK about it yourself: what would you say under what kind of pain? OR, what kind of pain would be required to get you to admit ANYthng just so it'll stop?

For me, the answer is easy: not so much.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:28 PM
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46. Exactly!! n/t
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:18 PM
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38. Busy guy.
See, they've caught the big bad terrorist now so we can quit our bellyachin' about not catching OBL. OBL was small potatoes compared to this dude. The WOT is a raging success and its all because of torture. Yippee and hallelujah! :sarcasm:

This is like a badly written book or movie that is so predictable.


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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:25 PM
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40. So is the war on terror over and now * can claim mission accomplished?
Henry Kissinger owns an oil company?
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:32 PM
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41. Get back to me when he tapes bacon to a cat.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:28 PM
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45. I would admit to the same stuff if some CIA thugs were holding my two little kids n/t
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 01:20 AM
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47. he missed out kidnapping the Lindburg kid.n/t
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 02:49 AM
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49. I've been both laughing and ranting about this all day
From the BBC report I heard in the morning to the "KSM admits to role in Daniel Pearl killing" on the "Captivate" ( :puke: ) screen in the elevator in the afternoon.

I laughed, and got angry (how stupid do they think we are!), and then laughed again.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 03:58 AM
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50. What about the bombing of the USS Cole?
I thought I heard he also confessed to the Cole.

really
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