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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:28 PM
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TIME: Can Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Confession Be Believed?
Can KSM's Confession Be Believed?
Thursday, Mar. 15, 2007
By ADAM ZAGORIN/WASHINGTON

Little in the just released confession of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the presumed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, is new. The U.S. government long ago cataloged those alleged crimes based on extensive interrogations of Mohammed and other prisoners held in the CIA's controversial and now liquidated overseas prisons. But the transcripts of Mohammed's hearing — part of proceedings that began last Friday at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba — are the first time the U.S. government has made publicly available his personal description of a stunning range of terrorist plots he claims to have had a hand in. These include both the 1993 and 2001 assaults on the World Trade Center, as well as the beheading of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Mohammed boasts he had complete or partial participation in 29 terror plots, some of which were never carried out.

As the transcript portrays him, Mohammed spoke with a meandering elocution before three military officials, with no lawyer but an air force officer by his side serving as a "personal adviser." He came across as an earnest, somewhat chatty mass murderer taking credit for plans to detonate the Panama Canal as well as New York City landmarks like the stock exchange. He also mentions assassination plots directed at former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton as well as Pope John Paul II. Several of the conspiracies he cited, notably the one involving President Carter, have not previously been disclosed.

Are Mohammed's claims to be believed? He has long been described — notably in The 9/11 Commission Report — as prone to exaggeration and self-aggrandizement, fond of portraying himself as a "superterrorist." The notes to the Commission's conclusions mention the possibility of Mohammed "inflating his own role." He may also be attempting to defend his part in the 9/11 planning against the testimony of other terror suspects. The Commission's notes indicate that, according to another terror chieftain, Abu Zubaydah, Mohammed originally offered Osama bin Laden a more modest proposal for attacking the U.S., but that bin Laden reportedly berated him, saying "Why do you use an ax when you can use a bulldozer?" What's more, Mohammed has also used disinformation in the past. He admitted under previous interrogation that a list of 30 supposed U.S. targets, which he circulated shortly after 9/11, was a lie to exaggerate the scale of al-Qaeda's planning...

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At a time when the Bush Administration is facing stiff criticism in a variety of domestic scandals as well as for its conduct of the Iraq war, Mohammed's confession has quickly become a focus of cable TV and other media coverage, a reminder of America's ongoing battle against international terrorism. But the attention focussed on Mohammed, thought to be al-Qaeda's third-ranking leader, also underscores the fact that the terrorist organization's chief, Osama bin Laden, and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, remain at large at a time when their former Taliban protectors in Afghanistan are resurgent.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1599423,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:29 PM
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1. Yes, it can be believed...
if you're the kind of person that believes in Creationism, that Global Warming isn't real, and the George W. Bush is a good president.

If you believe that, you can believe anything.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:45 PM
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20. Well, I have a hard time believing that he personally killed Abel.
Raising Caine, sure; but not the rest. ;-)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:32 PM
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2. he`s just one character in the play
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:32 PM
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3. How can you believe anyone that looks like Ron Jeremy?
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 01:34 PM by Gman
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:36 PM
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4. Interesting info RE: confession about Daniel Pearl's killing
Found this on another blog called at-Largely (http://www.atlargely.com/2007/03/oh_ksm_confessi.html#more)

I was just watching TV and it appears that now KSM has also confessed to the murder of Danny Pearl. That just exposed this confession as a lie. Why? Danny Pearl was murdered by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, while tracking a money transfer from Pakistan (on the orders of then Pakistani General Mahmoud Ahmad to Dubai to September 11, 2001 lead hijacker Atta.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:37 PM
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5. I've heard when you're being tortured, you'll admit to anything.
Wasn't he one of the Rasputin assassins?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:38 PM
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6. I haven't look at this, but I found it odd that he uses the English alphabet
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 01:48 PM by BuyingThyme
to describe his "A to Z" involvement. It's like somebody needed him to say that.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:52 PM
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9. It's particularly interesting because Arabic would have no such idiom (imho) ...
... since the ordering of the Arabic alphabet(s) has been vairable. Such an idiom in English is attributable to the encyclopedic ordering of topics based on the somewhat immutable alphabetical ordering, yet Arabic even today incorporates two traditional orderings.

Caveat: I'm not an expert in this area ... basing my impression on trivia knowledge raather than any academic study.

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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:02 PM
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16. I think he was educated in the U.S.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:40 PM
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7. Waterboard a guy for a few years, he'll confess to damn near anything.
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 01:41 PM by ocelot
No doubt he also said he assassinated JFK, caused the eruption of Krakatoa, did in Judge Crater and Jimmy Hoffa, and was the "real killer" of Nicole Simpson.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:42 PM
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8. Did he also confess to kissing Satan's behind? Was it the rack or the thumbscrews that did it?
I almost wept when I opened the LA Times and saw that headline. I'm still queasy and sick.

A "confession" made under torture isn't worth spit, and that's been true from the dawn of time.

My country has lost its way and may lose its soul.I can't write any more now.

Hekate

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:54 PM
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11. No but he's Anna's
baby father :rofl:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:55 PM
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12. It brought Anne Foster to mind
She was tortured and condemned as a witch in Salem MA. She "confessed" to whatever her torturers wanted her to--except when it came to betraying her daughter and granddaughter. She would not say a word about them, and was condemned to death because of it. She died in jail before the sentence could be carried out.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:53 PM
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10. I heard and laughed
more fugging diversion. Sorry Bushie - we don't believe a word from a source linked to you.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:58 PM
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13. Don't forget this part either
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 02:00 PM by azurnoir
The US has been holding and interrogating his children for at least 4 years now. Their ages would be about 13 and 11 at the present time

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/09/1047144871928.html


edited for spelling
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:15 PM
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18. Okay, now I'm officially sick to my stomach
What have we become? Why doesn't anyone care that we would do this to a 7-yr-old and 9-yr-old? What the hell is going on here? :(
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:00 PM
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14. What is the evidence this guy is even alive and in prison?
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 02:50 PM by JackRiddler
Transcripts provided by a select number of FBI and military officers. The 9/11 Commission was denied requests to see him. The Moussaoui defense was denied requests to interview him under any circumstances (by the government, not the court). According to first reports from Pakistan, he was killed in the Ramzi Binalshibh raid in Sept. 2002.

The govt. is free to provide any story in the form of transcripts from crown witnesses no one has seen, no habeas corpus, no proceedings, no defense, and the media will be a transmission belt (mainstream critiques of the story may develop within two years). How far are we to Orwell's vision? Are we at war with Eurasia or Eastasia this week?
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:02 PM
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15. Just another well timed diversion to keep the sheeple confused!!
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majorjohn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:09 PM
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17. He shaved Britney Spears' hair
nevermind the pictures of her using the clipper, those were fake!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:19 PM
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19. Exactly what I thought as soon as I heard about it
The good news is that the MSM (or Time, at least) seems to have caught on right away. Things are looking up, perhaps.
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