The Fat Lady Just Sang - WAR, WAR, WAR, until at LEAST 2009

[Laura PourMeADrink]

And probably longer since the Repukes will probably win in 08 too since we are now
impotent in stopping the Bush war machine.

Sad, sad, sad day:

The US Senate just rejected a phased withdrawal AND pledged not
to cut funds.

More will die. Buy some defense contractor's stock today !

[leftchick]

1. How many Democratic candidates

want to withdraw all troops from Iraq? Hil is talking about keeping them there to guard our palace and bases. Obama is suggesting the same. Very disappointing. :(

[jannyk]

4. and today they both voted with the Repugs!

[ClassWarrior]

2. Why would we want to cut funds?

We want to fully fund a safe, fast, and efficient withdrawal from this dangerous and poorly-funded foreign occupation.

So the point is moot.

NGU.

[halobeam]

6. thought they had enough money for that? no?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. Sure. - but at some point you will cut funds as you move people

out safely. You don't vote that you will never cut funds.
Hell, most soldiers have been removed from there safely
anyway, on an individual basis, since they have multiple tours.

[endarkenment]

11. It is called lag time.

You cut the funding now. That forces the administration to either walk outside the constitution by taking funds from other sources or remove the troops using the funds still in the pipeline.

But do explain how providing an endless supply of money for this war is going to end it.

[ClassWarrior]

13. Fine, buy into their framing.

Good luck with that. It's always worked so well for us in the past.

:eyes:

NGU.

[halobeam]

14. I could never explain how providing money will end war.

Doesn't made any damn sense to me.

[Jacobin]

18. Because that is why Viet Nam ended

As long as they have money, they will stay.

[ClassWarrior]

22. Yeah, on the 38th or 39th vote. If reframing makes it happen faster...

...than that, why not??

NGU.

[blm]

28. Kerry said he's going to stay on this as long as it takes. He and Feingold had 13 votes last June.

Now they have 48.

I trust they will keep the pressure on and not let up.

[ShortnFiery]

3. The Military is almost broken - there's not enough corporate money

to arm enough Mercenaries to make up the difference.

WE WILL leave when the American people see all "the public good works" being stashed on the wayside to pay the Military Industrial complex's war Profiteers.

Damn our legislators for not showing the moral courage to end this war.

However, just like we had to do in Vietnam, THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE TO THE STREETS AND VOTING BOOTHS to *eventually* pull out of the entire Middle Eastern Arena.

Let's all hope and pray that our country is NOT thrown into a Depression AS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF SQUANDERING all our hard earned tax dollars on WARFARE and corrupt Corporate Profiteering schemes? The forgoing will force us to leave IF the NATIVES don't kick our asses out first. :grr:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. amen.

[mmonk]

5. Everything seems so 1968.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. ya, and Bush is still drunk, just like then...nt

[ShortnFiery]

12. And you tell me over and over again, my friend ...

you don't believe we're on The Eve of Destruction.

P. F. Sloan : In His Own Words


http://www2.gol.com/users/davidr/sloan/aboutsongs.html

The song "Eve of Destruction" was written in the early morning hours between midnight and dawn in mid-1964. The song was one of five that were written that evening Three of the five became notable for some reason. The other two were "The Sins of A Family (Fall On The Daughter)", and "Take Me For What I'm Worth", recorded by The Searchers. I was 19 years old. The most outstanding experience I had in writing this song was hearing an inner voice inside of myself for only the second time. It seemed to have information no one else could've had. For example, I was writing down this line in pencil "think of all the hate there is in Red Russia." This inner voice said "No, no it's Red China!" I began to argue and wrestle with that until near exhaustion. I thought Red Russia was the most outstanding enemy to freedom in the world, but this inner voice said the Soviet Union will fall before the end of the century and Red China will endure in crimes against humanity well into the new century! This inner voice that is inside of each and every one of us but is drowned out by the roar of our minds! The song contained a number of issues that were unbearable for me at the time. I wrote it as a prayer to God for an answer. The lines:

"Think of all the hate there is in Red China then take a look around to Selma Alabama.

"Hate your next door neighbor and don't forget to say grace",

simple hypocrisy but it made me feel angry.

"You don't believe in war so what's that gun you're toting!"
------------------

We are back to square one.
As a child of the 70s, I feel great sorrow that we promised each other "NEVER AGAIN!" :cry:

Deja Vu!
-------------------
The Eve of Destruction
by P. F. Sloan

The Eastern world, it is explodin',
Violence flarin', bullets loadin'.
You're old enough to kill, but not for votin',
You don't believe in war -- but what's that gun you're totin'?
An' even the Jordan river has bodies floatin'.
But you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
Don't you understand what I'm tryin' to say,
An' can't you feel the fears I'm feelin' today?
If the button is pushed, there's no runnin' away,
There'll be no one to save, will the world in a grave.
Take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy.
An' you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Yeah, my blood's so mad feels like coagulatin',
I'm sittin' here just contemplatin'.
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation,
Handful of senators don't pass legislation,
An' marches alone can't bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin',
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin'.
An' you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China,
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama.
Ah, you may leave here for four days in space,
But when you return it's the same ol' place,
The poundin' of the drums, the pride an' disgrace.
You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace.
Hate your next-door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace,
An' tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction,
No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Recorded by Barry McGuire, © 1965 MCA Records Inc.

[Decruiter]

15. Thank you. There are no other words. n/t

:kick: & R

[Jacobin]

19. Yup. I was 18 then and it is 1968 all over again

This damn meat grinder will keep killing people for no good reason until someone stands up and says it:
It's over. We lost. It was stupid. Everyone died for nothing. The US fucked up and is a paper tiger with an idiot in the WH and hundreds of idiots in congress. The american people are stupid, naive, gullible, and love wars...as long as they are easy and we win.

painful, no? Well fuck, someone will have to say it to stop our people and Iraqis from dying for nothing.

[Clark2008]

25. Except the music really sucks...

Britany Spears vs. Janis?
Taylor Hicks vs. James Taylor?

:hi:

[maxsolomon]

26. Arcade Fire, TV on the Radio, the Roots, Radiohead, etc. ad nauseum

the music is relevant today. there's so much of it its impossible to grok the entirety.

there was crap AM pop back then, too. pat boone?

[Clark2008]

27. Sure, but it seems like there was more music played in

the mainstream that was worthwhile.

I mean, you never hear Radiohead on regular radio (satellite, sure, but most people can't afford that).

[Art_from_Ark]

30. You're absolutely right

Take a look at the top 100 for 1968-- there's something for everyone, all the way from the almost punkish "Fire" to bubblegum hits like "Simple Simon Says" to great dance songs like "Judy in Disguise" to Motown hits like "Do You Know the Way to San Jose" and "Love Child" to great instrumentals like "Classical Gas", "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", "Love is Blue" and "Time Is Tight". And of course, the Beatles were still cranking out super albums.

1968-69 was the pinnacle of modern music in America.

[EFerrari]

10. Never give up. What are your protest plans for the weekend?

NGU

[blm]

29. YOU are the best. Smartest answer...period!

,

[LiberalUprising]

31. How's the weather up there?

n/t

[EFerrari]

32. Clear. Good weather for showing what democracy looks like.

:)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. No. If the House had the nerve, they don't have to pay for the war. If there is no bill, there is no

money.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

17. The Republicans own this war

They should change their name to the Quagmire Party and we should put a "Q" next to their names. Call them "QuagmiREpublicans" They've always owned this fiasco, but now they truly own it in the minds of the people and I don't want to hear that mantra anymore about the Democrats approving the war.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. You know, the group of Reps who were turning are who sold

out today on the Reid Resolution - start pull out in 120 days. The Hagels and Collins - granted there were only 7, I believe but still - if we had gotten closer to the 60 needed - I had this vision of Tim johnson being wheeled in to vote -

[partylessinOhio]

20. Our troops are screwed and so are we.

Hillary can go to hell with her plan to keep troops in Iraq forever. She is a warmonger and a poor excuse for a woman and a mother.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. You know don't you get the feeling that she's probably not

going to win the nomination? Something tells me that. And with Dick Morris waiting
in the wings to unleash some more dirt....

I can live with Gore, Obama, and Kucinich. Actually, Biden's plan to divide Iraq
doesn't even sound too bad. But not her, I'd really have to hold my nose.

[Individualist]

21. As long as neocons and DLC have their way, it will be perpetual war.