Our government is not our enemy

[SHRED]

Multi-national corporate control over it is.
They are not loyal to our country or any one nation.
They are Imperialistic and use us, and our troops, for their bottom line.
Just like what is happening in Iraq right now.

Our government is all we collectively have.
Don't buy into the bullsh*t Reagan started, that our government is the problem.
He was deceiving us to deflect from the real big money culprits.
We need to take our government back.
Investigate your candidates for office and how they are funded.
Get involved.
Get active.
Strengthen our government towards the direction of, "We the people...".


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I know this is basic knowledge for most of us here but I just had to say it again anyway.

peace

:toast:

[libodem]

1. Well said, SHRED

[TahitiNut]

2. Somebody ought to put a picture of the Constitution on milk cartons.

It's missing.

[tblue]

3. Ain't that the truth nt

[southerncrone]

4. Well worth repeating. We should remind ourselves of this often.

Thanks SHRED!
:applause:

[Cleita]

5. Another strange thing about the Nazis is that Hitler

never got rid of the Constitution of the Weimar Republic. He just used the parts that were convenient for him and ignored those that weren't. I feel we are being played the same way. Our Constitution and laws provide a kind of cover for the criminal goings on behind closed doors with the present shadow government that is ruling us.

[babylonsister]

6. They ARE our enemy NOW until they're neutralized. I'm serious. nt

[SHRED]

8. I understand that sentiment however...

...my post speaks to the root source of our governmental problem.

Many, like Libertarians and other RW'ers, want to "solve" the corruption problem by attacking our representative government in the form of weakening it further.
This "solution" has caught on in the mainstream and lots of everyday sheep see the government as the problem rather than a reflection of the root cause.

Where I, and others, are coming from is that we need to clean-up and strengthen government...not weakening it further, as the conservatives are doing, by allowing more corporate (private sector) control.


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[uppityperson]

19. I agree with you and with Babylonsister too.

Root, hands. Both my enemy, both to be fought.

[rman]

13. Certain (many) individuals in government are the enemy,

but it should be obvious that there also are good guys (and girls) in the government. The latter can use our help, and we can use their help.

[melody]

7. We have two governments

One that is legitimate and elected, and one that isn't.

The government it now has (at the Executive end) is the enemy of this country, not its leadership.
That portion (the illegitimate portion) I am against.

[BeFree]

15. Half and half?

True: most of the government has never been elected. Even taking out of the equation that elections were stolen, most of the individuals in government never faced a vote. It's why it's called a democratic republic.

I'd estimate that the democratic side of government stands at about .01 percent of the mass of government. And half of that is illegitimate. Now, don't you feel better?

[mmonk]

9. So the corporations make them do it!

They have no responsibility in the matter?

[rman]

14. Not really;

corporate/criminal elements have infiltrated government - the "them" that are doing the bad things *are* these criminal elements, who pose as politicians.
Besides that there are many in politics (and among the electorate) who have been bamboozled into supporting the corporate/criminal agenda - which is no excuse for their behavior, but they are not the instigators.

[annabanana]

10. The crowd running the Government HATES government...

They will steal as much as they can in order to cripple it.. They will screw up as much as they can so they can point to "ineffective, bungling, criminally inept government bureaucracy" and continue to de-legitimatize it in our eyes.

THEY ARE KILLING AMERICA

[camero]

11. The solution?

Stop electing the rock stars that the media trumpet as leaders but are only actors in bed with the corps and wealthy individuals. Until that happens, our gov't won't be legit or serve the people.

[donheld]

12. Multi-national corporate control IS our government

we the people have little hope if we don't take it back.

[The2ndWheel]

16. The problem is the scale of it

The larger it gets(more people to represent, more regulations, regulations of the regulations after corporations figure out how to get around the first set of regulations, etc), the more specialized it becomes. The more specialized it becomes, the more distant it becomes. The more distant it becomes, the easier it is for money to run the show. It just keeps going, and going, and going, on and on like that.

[dysfunctional press]

17. THIS mis-administration's government IS our enemy.

nt

[lostinacause]

18. The problem is as much the people as the corporations. People tend to

adequately vote on issues related to the economy. People are either too busy supporting free markets, growth, or wasteful transfer mechanisms that the system in place in America today greatly fails every citizen.

What most people here fail to see is that corporations are able to generate large amounts of wealth. When given the right incentives they serve to benefit everybody. We have to look no further then some of the current environmental mechanisms to see that this is the case.