Evangelical leader warns homosexuality may be proven biological -- but would still be a sin

[DeepModem Mom]

NYT/AP: Homosexuality May Be Based on Biology, Baptist Says
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 16, 2007

The president of the leading Southern Baptist seminary has suggested that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven, and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

The Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., and one of the country’s evangelical leaders, posted the article on his personal Web site earlier this month.

Mr. Mohler said in the article that scientific research “points to some level of biological causation” for homosexuality....Mr. Mohler said he was criticized...strongly by supporters of gay rights, who were upset by his assertion that homosexuality would remain a sin even if it were biologically based, and by his support for possible medical treatment that could change an unborn child’s sexual orientation....

***

The article, published on March 2, carried a long but intriguing title: “Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?”

Mr. Mohler began by summarizing some recent research into sexual orientation and advising his Christian readership that they should brace for the possibility that a biological basis for homosexuality might be proven.

He wrote that such proof would not alter the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality, but said the discovery would be “of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/us/16baptist.html

[Critters2]

1. If I kept worrying about crap like this, I'd never get my sermons written

I take it he's ready for Sunday, eh?

Jerk.

[DeepModem Mom]

3. Indeed!

[saltpoint]

2. If you're an evangelical, I'm guessing you believe in a Creator God, and

if so, human biology/physiology is that Creation manifest.

A strong case could be made that any capacity of humans from their Creator is an intended consequence of that Creator's design.

On more secular terms, it's high time the fundies got the hell out of everyone else's pants and minded their own business.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

5. OC There are many liberal Cristian's and Mycritters is a great

example of one of us. If you don't like us Christians, since the country is 87% +, perhaps you need to re think your statements. We Christians actually believe in minority rights, but not minority rule.

This guy is a whack job, and last week on Moyer's on America, it was iterated by Dobson, I believe, that he could mobilize the Christian whack jobs! Yep, the Republics created a group of whack jobs that call themselves Christians, and you fall for it.

Please don't attack us, I don't attack you! Whatever your belief system is, it's none of my business, period, dot, as the 30somethingdems say.

[Old and In the Way]

8. "perhaps you need to re think your statements."

Who made you board nanny?

I'm a practicing agnostic, but this is hilarious- "We Christians actually believe in minority rights, but not minority rule." If you sincerely believe this, you're no better than the RW con-artists on the other side. Maybe you haven't noticed, but this isn't the Christian Democratic Party. You are free to believe whatever you want and worship however you see fit...but please don't try to inject Christian Identity into our secular politics.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

10. And if you believe that us Christians 87% or more should just

kiss your agnostic butt, then well excuse me. Perhaps you should actually review history, with your less than 13 % how much have agnostics and atheists changed the world or human existence? Let's look at the recent history of social change in the world, um, the likes of Martin Luther, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, etc.

I have no problem with anyone denying God, at all, why do you have problems with those of us who accept God, do not force His existence on you?

The RW is equivalent to the other fanatical religious people in the world, I can't or wouldn't even try to influence their beliefs, just curious, who is your role model? And what have agnostics or atheists or deists or the popular phrase of the day enacted to alleviate the current human condition?

You make me laugh, but at least I am willing to listen, so enlighten me!

[Solly Mack]

12. Uh, the only one wanting their butt kissed is the person

throwing around the "87%" and you better rethink your statements comments.

That would be you.

America isn't a theocracy and judging from your comments, you do need the reminder.

You've done nothing but attack people and falsely accuse them of attacking you for being a Christian , when you are the only one attacking people and attempting to bully them with your chest-thumping, we're the majority, better watch what you say bullshit.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

16. Oh please, I have many gay friends and relatives. You need to

take a deep breath and get that even many of the RW wackos, have gay family and friends whom they defend deeply. Re-read if you need to, my post, sometimes I see ghosts too!

You failed to see that more than 50 % of Christians, even the RW wackos, are not gay non-friendly. That 30%, are mostly out of step with the rest of America. If IIRC., you maybe in Germany, for God's sake, get a grip, even Darth Cheney's daughter is gay, and accepted as she has a position in the RW Bush administration. Kinda takes the wind out of your anti-gay, better watch out tactic, huh?

[Solly Mack]

17. You're bearing false witness and you might want to have a little talk with Jesus

about it

and while you're on your knees

here are some matches


for that tired-ass straw-man you keep building



Oh, and I have no doubt that some of your best friends are gay

[Old and In the Way]

23. LOL, you are certainly more succint with rebuttals than I am Solly!

I'm still trying to decipher the "we won't be ruled by the minority" comment. That's plain bizarre.

[Solly Mack]

26. LOL Nah...you're just more patient than I am

:hi:

[NMMNG]

31. Don't you know?

The Evil Atheist Conspiracy is out to take over the country. We want to ban religion and feed the Christians to the lions. :rofl:

[I_Make_Mistakes]

25. I know bi polars, perhaps you need an evaluation. My f'king

refuse in the sea of mental illness in my family was my gay Uncle Charles. I am going to follow the rules and say, if you are gay you are not worthy to even light the match to this gentle giant of a man!

He was drafted to interrogate the Nazi's, he would have never stood for the abuses of the US Gov't., had he'd known what was coming. He was a fluent German speaker, as his mother was Mennonite. He translated as they cut the prisoners ears off, he came home broken. He was a gay man, when gay wasn't accepted.

The family revered him, because he was the best person anyone in his small hometown knew, he was the
patriarch to my mom's family, their father died very young from the flu. He helped his sister and her 6 children, aunt and uncle were 1 and 2 when their father died, my mom the oldest 16.

My uncle Charles worked at the local bank, and was the kindest man in the world, every time I was in the bank, people lined up to speak with him.

Don't flung tell me, I have no flung clue about the gay community. People like you, are not worthy of sacrifices people like he had to make, YOU ARE ACCEPTED, he was because of his Christianity, not flaunting on his every being, and being humble and not challenging people to accept, he was just worthy because he was such a wonderful man he demanded nothing and was giving the complete love in the 60's, 70's and 80's, till his death.

[Solly Mack]

27. LMAO

too easy

[ruiner4u]

29. Huh?

"gay Uncle Charles. I am going to follow the rules and say, if you are gay you are not worthy to even light the match to this gentle giant of a man!"

Whhhaaaaa?

Ive been following your responses tonight and have wanted to post a few times but let it slide.. You did, as others have said, bite OC's head off for what was most likely a misunderstanding... And after recalling some of your posts I find it funny that you can have both a superiority and victim complex about being a Christian.. Cmon man, pick one...

I think its great that your a Christian... And its awesome that your Uncle Charles did good for those around him.. And its wonderful that you know gay people.. Sweet!.. But what does any of this have to do with the OP? this is turning into six degrees of separation thread-jack style...

"People like you, are not worthy of sacrifices people like he had to make"
Ok, now your just being silly and need a timeout in the corner.. :)

[Old and In the Way]

32. I didn't catch that.....

"you are not worthy to even light the match to this gentle giant of a man!"

So maybe Uncle Charlie was a straw man.... :rofl:

[ruiner4u]

33. LOL!!!!!!!!!

eVil!!!

[Old and In the Way]

30. Whoa......this is not the kind of response I expect to see from a devout Christian.

What's with the all the Flungs? Is this a new word, dot, period?

And your poor Uncle Charlie....he sounds like a sweet, straw man.

[Solly Mack]

50. Shocking, isn't it?

snicker

[Bluebear]

41. Flung this, flung that, do you eat with that mouth, not flaunting with your every being?

:crazy:

[NMMNG]

46. Watch out, you might need an evaluation

:silly:

[Bluebear]

48. ...

:spray: I can't even pretend to hold it in.

Just call me a refuse in a sea of mental illness.

[Solly Mack]

53. Snap LMAO

[Bluebear]

55. :)

[Solly Mack]

49. LMAO

ROFLMAO

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. I'm confused.

Was he a wonderful man, or did he help torture prisoners?

Can't be both.

[saltpoint]

64. And as far as that goes, what if it IS a choice?

It's not Jim Dobson's choice to make what others do privately.

Jim Dobson needs to mind his own business.

[Bluebear]

81. DOBSON is the one that needs an evaluation! nt

[Old and In the Way]

19. My mom.

She once told me that I'd me meet a lot of people in this life that were convinced they had the answers to life's ultimate questions. But most everyone would have different answers.

"And what have agnostics or atheists or deists or the popular phrase of the day enacted to alleviate the current human condition?" Certainly no more or less than those that profess to be Christians. And we can flip that argument and ask why so much of the misery in this world has been done and continues to be done in God's name.

"why do you have problems with those of us who accept God, do not force His existence on you?" Not sure I completely understand the last part of the question, but you certainly presume that I have a problem with those that accept God. Not in the least. Many people need to believe in something greater than themselves, in order to make sense of the reality in which they live in. Religion provides a great emotional security blanket without which, many would probably be driven insane. Religion serves a useful social purpose.

You don't own the market on righteousness. But you do have a good position on arrogance.

[NMMNG]

9. I didn't see Old Crusoe make any statements against 'you Christians'

He made statements against the fundamentalists, which certainly are not a segment of the Liberal Christians. And he was spot on--the fundamentalists need to start minding their own business instead of trying to run everybody else's' lives.

If you don't like us Christians, since the country is 87% +, perhaps you need to re think your statements. We Christians actually believe in minority rights, but not minority rule.


So you believe in Tyranny of the Majority, then?

America is not a "Christian Nation" because Christians are the most prevalent religious group no matter what anybody wants to believe, any more than it is a "White Nation" just because Caucasians are the most prevalent race. I don't give a darn how many people are Christian, it doesn't give them the right to bully others around or tell them what they should think or say.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

13. And you know what, the majority of Christians don't bully people.

Last week Jon Stewart had a guest, I could look her up, but maybe you should invest the time. A learning experience is a good thing, she was working with the Dem's because 87% didn't have a Christian Representative.

Those of us that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ get the pray in your closet, don't be a hypocrite and run around boasting of God, thinking you are any better than the next person. We follow that rule, the RW and the agnostics and atheists don't. You are the other side of THEM! You interject your non belief as much as they interject THEIR belief, two sides of the same COIN.

We like in the Jewish, Muslim community are in the Silent Majority, because WE believe that GOD calls us to be Peace makers, not War makers, to be Humble, not Prideful and Do our Charity anonymously and without the need for acknowledgment. If these are not in your thinking, then you are part of the problem.

The Democratic Party is full of religious people, we may not shout it from the mountaintops, if you don't like that perhaps you should reevaluate your own participation in the party.

I am secular in the nature of government, but not in my belief in God.

There is one acknowledged atheist, who came out this past week, if that is your majority and your platform, I say "Go for it"!.

If you want the Democratic Party members (most of whom believe in God), I say, Good Night and Good Luck! We respect your beliefs, you don't respect ours!

[NMMNG]

22. I know the majority of Christians don't bully people

But they also rarely take action, or even speak out, against those who do so the ones who do the bullying appear to be speaking and acting for everyone.


Those of us that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ get the pray in your closet, don't be a hypocrite and run around boasting of God, thinking you are any better than the next person. We follow that rule, the RW and the agnostics and atheists don't. You are the other side of THEM! You interject your non belief as much as they interject THEIR belief, two sides of the same COIN.

Atheists don't think they're better than anyone. We're just fighting for our rights, and we're largely doing it alone because as I stated alone, the Liberal Christians aren't helping out for the most part. Furthermore we aren't "injecting our non-belief" into anything. Name one law or policy that has been based on non-belief or any instance where Christians' rights have been denied due to their religion because of the actions of atheists.


We like in the Jewish, Muslim community are in the Silent Majority, because WE believe that GOD calls us to be Peace makers, not War makers, to be Humble, not Prideful and Do our Charity anonymously and without the need for acknowledgment. If these are not in your thinking, then you are part of the problem.


Atheists do plenty of good and charitable works, but because we don't have organized "Atheist Charities" we're constantly accused of being self centered and uncaring. Because we don't publicize our acts to the world it's claimed we do nothing for our fellow man. I personally don't care about people thinking I'm wonderful for what I do, but I'm tired of being villified because of a bunch of sterotypes and misperceptions.


And the only reason I even replied to you is because you jumped all over OC for an alleged attack on Christians that he didn't even make. Others have responded to tell you the same thing, so it's obvious that you misperceived what OC wrote. Not everybody is out to get Christians. Not every atheist is an a-hole.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

34. Well apparently we just don't get each other, because there have

been threads in the Progressive Christian area, that ask if people that don't believe in Jesus are Christians. I actually said that many agnostics and atheists are better Christians than many professed Christians.

I took that question with an eye, to are they saved. I am a Christian, have read the Bible front to back and can say that, I got beat up in that forum because it comes down to what is a Christian.

As a Christian, I do not judge a person, that's not my job. If I see behavior that I don't like, I avoid it.

For ex., I don't do drugs, sue me. They are illegal, I don't call the cops, just eliminate myself from the situation.

I don't steal, my neighbor and I went to the store, she stole, I didn't call the cops, I just will never go anywhere with her driving again.

Just to make sure this is relevant, they call themselves Christians and have rosary beads hanging from their car mirrors.

I never said that people who call themselves Christians, are good or Christian, I just ask don't judge us by your your perception of Christians based on a very small vocal minority.

[ruiner4u]

38. You sir, have offended me.

are you saying that christians with Rosary beads are fakes? I have a large family that would take umbrage with that remark.

[Old and In the Way]

42. I'll be praying for IMM when I do the Stations of the Cross

(right after I do all the Hail Mary's on my rosary, of course). :-)

[ruiner4u]

44. yeah exactly..lol...

[Old and In the Way]

39. "As a Christian, I do not judge a person, that's not my job."

"If you don't like us Christians, since the country is 87% +, perhaps you need to re think your statements."

Do you see the contradiction in these 2 statements, IMM?

[NMMNG]

43. I know very well the difference between the fundies and the Liberal Christians

It is you who can't seem to tell the difference between a post that specifically referenced the fundies and one that was criticizing all Christians, which is what started this whole exchange.


What is the reason for all of the hostility here?

[Old and In the Way]

36. As a dues paying member of Agnostics-R-Us,

I'm always trying to cram my ideas of God and/or not-God down Christians throats. If I can convert 100 Christians, I may or may not go to heaven.

:rofl:

[NMMNG]

45. Keep up the good work

Next stop, godlessness. :evilgrin:

[Bluebear]

60. You said it! nt

[Cha]

69. Oopps! I don't pay

my dues!

[Clark2008]

65. Actually, they do speak out... all the time.

But the "librul" media doesn't cover it. It doesn't get the play that the radical fundie nuts get.

I guess BEING like Jesus isn't as interesting as ranting and raving in His name.

[NMMNG]

83. It's a shame

The people doing good in the name of Jesus don't get noticed, whereas the whackjobs are in the limelight 24/7.


It's exactly how non-believers are assumed to do little or no good/charity because they do it on their own rather than through collective means like agencies, organizations, etc. :-(



Maybe we should hijack the media.

[fishwax]

71. is there a reason you're painting all agnostics and atheists with sucha broad brush?

We follow that rule, the RW and the agnostics and atheists don't. You are the other side of THEM! You interject your non belief as much as they interject THEIR belief, two sides of the same COIN.

So all agnostics and atheists are just like the RW'ers? You think all agnostics and atheists "interject (their) non belief"?

[Robeson]

11. Where did he attack Christians?....

...he made a statement about fundamentalist, who, as most would agree, are not "liberal Christians". Did you read his post, and comprehend it? Or were you just wanting to jump down a non-believer's throat?...:shrug:

[I_Make_Mistakes]

18. Re-read the Subject in conjunction with the paragraphs after, if

you do so, you will see the implications. God knows, I have come here with an attitude and the words followed. Just re-read, with a clear mind.

[Robeson]

21. I have a very clear mind, and his post was very clear....

...I still don't see the issue, since he clearly was talking of evangelicals/fundamentalist throughout. And I see no parallels with respect to what he was discussing, to "liberal Christians".

[Old and In the Way]

24. You really don't understand what Old Crusoe said.

OC was exposing the logical fallacy which is at the heart of this preacher's point. Homosexuality might be a biological condition. In other words, God made the person a homosexual through his biology. This preacher is saying that man should change God's creation! Doesn't that strike you as the height of blasphemy?

[saltpoint]

76. IMM, if I've misspoken, just tell me where. We can discuss the

passage or passages you object to.

My criticism of Rev. Mohler attempts to take him to the woodshed over what I consider an irresponsible statement.

[saltpoint]

54. Whoa. Back up a sec. I'm not in attack mode here at all.

I was questioning the assumption by one Baptist evangelical that 'sin' can be grafted onto a biological reality.

The point was in support of GLBTQ people who likely are sick to death of being dumped on by the Far Right. I don't see how we can blame humans for objecting to inhumane treatment.

And I'm not seeing the rationale for 'sin' in the first place, let alone in the smarmy way it's suggested by this one particular evangelical.

[saltpoint]

63. A few of the anti-gay fundamentalists are beginning to perceive that

they've painted themselves into a corner by declaring same-sex attraction as a "choice."

If it's a choice, then they can label it "sin."

As evidence advances to the contrary and science continues to reveal the increasing likelihood that same-sex attraction is in fact biological and therefor natural, these hater-fundies have a problem.

The problem is it was their God who made people as they are, and if as they are includes same-sex attraction, then their opposition is pure hate and bigotry and nothing but.

So there they are with the hatebrush in the far corner of the barn.

It doesn't take that much of a close read of the New Testament to understand that if Jesus was at all worried about same-sex attraction, he certainly didn't bother to say so. Paul's letters throb with some of the same anti-gay language, but Jesus himself never wasted one syllable on the issue.

If he had, what do you bet the Dobson-types wouldn't let us forget it?

Science is a sturdier gauge of civilization than religious fundamentalism., including Christian fundamentalism.

[fishwax]

70. 87% may be Christians, but certainly it's not the case that 87% are fundies

and that's who the poster referred to specifically.

[JerseygirlCT]

67. Ah but then they'd HAVE to mind their own business

And it's ever so much easier to mind someone else's.

The poor? The hungry? The oppressed? Those outcasts most in need of love and care?

No worries! We have to fight the horrible idea of love between two people first!

[saltpoint]

74. Hi, JerseygirlCT. Nice to see you tonight on DU. Yep -- some of

the fundies out there want in everyone else's business and at the same time don't want much scrutiny on their own.

They've lost an awful lot of ground and dignity on two issues lately -- stem cell research and same-sex marriage.

Practical people who are secure in their sexuality generally welcome scientific advances, especially ones that carry a potential for mitigating pain for people suffering from serious illness; and those same practical, secure people don't care how the people next door are having sex.

[Cha]

68. Yeh, it's kinda like an

oxymoron to say "God created it but it should be reversed scientifically BEFORE birth! Oy Vey!

[saltpoint]

75. Hey there, zidzi. Good point. If it's a quality-control problem, we need

to re-evaluate the guy in charge, sounds like.

Accepting people for who they are seems beyond the reach of the fundie mindset.

[Cha]

77. It's okay to change their sexuality

but they'll burn in hell before they let the castoff embryos be used to help with the wretched diseases of humankind.

Definetly, beyond their hypocritical reach, Crusoe.

[Old and In the Way]

79. What happened to IMM?

Guess it's better to just not make matters worse. But it was a blast last night...you missed a great ole time on DU, let me tell yeah...

:hi:

[saltpoint]

82. Hi, Old and In the Way. I'm always arriving late. You folks had

a real barnburner here, from the looks of things.

[aquart]

4. God's work not good enough for him?

I guess he considers it a genetic deformity, like a leaky heart valve. Or a chronic disease, like diabetes. Or alcoholism.

Why does it horrify him so? I'm pretty sure he does not take the bible literally in every instance. Why this one? Why indeed?

[I_Make_Mistakes]

6. Don't forget all the exorcisms, torturing of the mentally ill because

they were possessed, that occurred in the fairly recent past.

I am a Christian and proud of it, but I also, understand that the problem is man's stupidity and not God's mistakes.

Oh and let's not forget those mentally ill, who believe that dinosaur bones are Satan's work!

PS. At least the Moran, said it might be genetic, little steps forward by the intellectually challenged. This is a snake oil salesman trying to head off the TRUTH with a little snake and a little oil.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

7. Well, he thinks being human is a sin, as in original sin.

Original sin offends me, as I am trained as an attorney. Original sin is like a crooked cop or a crooked D.A. putting a rap on you when you're innocent. I don't believe in original sin or substitutionary atonement. It's insulting to anybody that thinks.

I can mess up my life enough, and so can all humans, without an extra strike against us.

[donheld]

14. Is Your Baby a Fundy? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?

What if you could look at your babies genes and tell if he/she would turn out to be a bible beater? Could we alter the gene to make it atheist? :banghead:

[I_Make_Mistakes]

20. They'd probably call for some procedure that would cause a

miscarriage, you know what I mean. These people are not connected to reality, I have known some.

These people are delusional, and believe in the death penalty, so in their mind, they could actually justify an abortion in this cause.

"Thou Shall not kill" dot, period (it's a working 30's something, joke, dot, period, not killing). They believe in the death penalty dot, period. Go figure, God, gave a dis-compensation to the US Gov't to disobey His command.

[Mugu]

57. Your post brings up a frightening thought.

If homosexual behavior is proven to be genetic, that means that there is a marker that can be tested for. What if parents decide that they only what heterosexual children?

Regards, Mugu

[AshevilleGuy]

15. So, is it still CHOICE, even if we are born homosexual???

Or is it, you are born homosexual, but you still have the CHOICE to be abstinent (and thus acceptable to us holier-than-thou baptists)?? And this from an obvious closet case!!! Yeah, I've seen him on TV, that is my appraisal.

One more time: so far as we know from the New Testament, Jesus NEVER, repeat, NEVER said ONE WORD about homosexuality!!! If He didn't think it worth mentioning, then WHY do these modern day wannabe inquisitors get their panties in a wad over it???? They need a good cup of, Shut The Fuck UP!!!!!

There. :)

[Old and In the Way]

28. WHY do these modern day wannabe inquisitors get their panties in a wad over it??

Because they can use this to make $ and gain political power. They are truly the worst kind of cynics. They are married to their ideas of homosexual sin. It brings the people in and fills the basket with $. Now, they get more money from Republicans to deliver the votes. But now, modern science (evil!) may soon prove that there are genetic markers that might make people attract to the same sex. Ain't that going to be a pisser for those that have spent their lives convincing the congregation that it is the sinner's fault. Turns out God made them that way. But this guy, he's already working on a solution...he's gonna fix God's creation! :rofl:

[AshevilleGuy]

35. Why, he is just making sure that God is proactive!!!

Yay-yes-AH!!!!

Of course you are right. But slowly the masses are moving away from this nonsense; almost everyone knows someone who is gay, obviously or closeted, and they are underwhelmed at the evil we exhibit. And it's inevitable that science (!) will soon discover the truth about homosexualtiy, as you state above re genetic markers. This charlatan knows it's coming soon to a town near him, and he is prudently preparing his flock (and his bank statement) for this unpleasantness.

But the joke is on him: the generations growing up now couldn't care less about their friends' sexual orientations. Those "concerns" belong in the 1950s. It's almost over with, and not a century too soon!

[Old and In the Way]

47. You're right...time to find a new issue that will seperate the 'us' from 'them'.

They had a pretty good run with homosexuality and they still have abortion. Global Warming might be a winner for a couple more decades, anyway. Ultimately, they'll probably have to do away with science completely. Somewhere in the bible, I'm sure God says that science is the work of the devil. With enough home schoolin', that shouldn't be a problem.

[ruiner4u]

51. it will cat person agenst dog person...

its already started in The Lounge.. Serial...1!!!111

[and-justice-for-all]

37. You know, the thing about baptist...

..is that they dont hold them under long enough.

Why do people still listen to these fuckers? have they EVER said anything thats worth a shot?? I think not.

What should be more concerning is why isnt someone looking into the mass delusion of religion? It is obviously a metal illness and should be put on the books as such. Those people are fucking insane and sick with stupidity.

[AshevilleGuy]

40. I think that fundamentalism, in ANY religion,

just shuts their brains down and then they get endorphins from just primal mob mentality. The 'belongingness' of the group, that is. What else can explain it?? :shrug:

[Old and In the Way]

52. Little did you realize how this thread would end up.

Gotta say, it was full of flung humor.

Sorry about the pile-on, IMM...we still like you and respect the fact that you are in the 87% majority. Please keep the matches away from Uncle Charlie!

[Matariki]

56. Isn't it a sin to be a woman too? Maybe they want to fix that at birth as well.

[uppityperson]

66. That was my first thought also. Gays and Women are in 1 group now.

"fix" them prenatally, somehow. Sinners, all of us.

[SoCalDem]

59. Wow.. Who knew that evangelicals believed in pre-emptive orginal sin?

Catholics at least wait for the baby to be BORN, before they proclaim it to be a sinner, in need of baptism

[donco6]

61. If they could only reverse religiosity in the womb . . .

. . . then we'd really be on to something.

[Duppers]

62. Blame god then

God must have purposely created 'sinful' people, then he must be evil-minded!

If there's any blame, then it must be 'his'!

[Generator]

72. Because the Bible says the only thing that matters

is populating the earth. In fact, let's populate until there are so many people they starve to death and lead horrible, horrible lives. I LOVE religion don't you? Thank JESUS for the non proliferators. Can you imagine if there were no gays.. no savvy feminist women..hell..(oh yes that hell on earth!) we'd be eating one another.

Thank a gay person and feminists for the lack of cannibalism. (thanks to DU spell check, yes the eating the people word is there!)

[YellowRubberDuckie]

73. Probably the same people who thought being black was a sin at one time.

Freaks. :eyes:
Duckie

[EFerrari]

78. Or brown, or a woman or a child or poor or disabled.

F#ck these so called people.

[The Straight Story]

80. Why post threads about about homosexuality

That is something I was asked recently here on DU....

Referring to your OP though:

The view of some of faith might be that we as a species are inclined to do things biologically but should not do them.

This is a covering of bases and does not surprise me in the least.

To be fair it does happen here - we have those who are for and against the death penalty (as one example) so it is no stretch that some in the arena of Christians will see being gay as biological but also as sinful if acted upon.

Adultery may also seem natural to some folks, but acting upon it is a sin - and that is where they will make their argument. It might seem natural, and be natural, but acting on natural desires is not always 'right'.

No matter how one frames it - the right will always find a method around it. They have a 'flock' to maintain and money to make :)