Plame # 3

[annabanana]

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[Catherine Vincent]

1. Can you edit and insert "official"

So it can look official? :hi:

[LSK]

3. yes, please do that

[Blackhatjack]

2. Davis is helping the cause as she shoots him down ... n/t

[CatWoman]

5. what is Davis trying to get at?

:shrug:

[spanone]

12. Playing the coy trial lawyer....his demeanor is that of an ASSHOLE.

[H2O Man]

16. Davis is trying

to ask questions he knows she can not fully answer. He is also attemptng to blame the victim of a crime.

[Wilber_Stool]

156. Davis is asking her

talking points questions and she blows each one out of the water.

[Sydnie]

8. Davis is despicable!

blaming her for someone else's crime!

[ShortnFiery]

9. What a morAN !!!

It's not nice (smart?) to blame the CIA. :evilgrin:

[annabanana]

4. Davis is trying to smear her husband

[annabanana]

6. Mr Cummings up

[annabanana]

10. clarification: What exactly is "covert"

[MrMickeysMom]

26. Letting us understand the nature of covert officers

[myrna minx]

18. He is just reprehensible.

He's trying to make it seem that Wilson outed his own wife.

[H2O Man]

7. Blaming the victim

of a crime is disgraceful. The republican snake should be held accountable.

[annabanana]

11. He's nailing WaPo... lol

[rodeodance]

52. wp whould be dissed in this case.

[CatWoman]

13. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Can't wait for ole Vicky to come up :rofl:

shooting her stupid ass op ed down, the lying bitch.

[BR_Parkway]

14. CIA are also "troops" - love how the GOP loyalists show their support

asshat trying to shoot her down

[mod mom]

15. Loveit- Cummins trashes victoria Toesing!

[antonialee839]

17. I hope Vicky did something with that screetchy red hair

for her whoring mission today.

[annabanana]

19. A general is a General. . covert is covert

[dogday]

20. I know I am under Oath and I was a covert agent... nt

[annabanana]

21. Toensing is NAILED (laughter)

[myrna minx]

28. VP: Much of the work that I did is still classified. n/t

[Roxy66]

30. Who is Toensing?

[Sydnie]

33. How could she know more about Plame than Plame did?

And she would have to have that level of knowledge to state the things that she did.

After all, there was no Valarie TV show (like that old Jim Carrey movie!)

[Cirque du So-What]

22. Addresses neocon apologist Toensing's assertion

that she was not covert, essentially rendering Toensing a LIAR!

[Roxy66]

23. She is a very strong witness

[Rose Siding]

34. It's absolutely luscious to see the RW loonies rebutted so elegantly

[NightWatcher]

24. She's Fucking Covert already

stop blaming her for being outed by Dick and Scooter.


do they also blame kids who are raped for looking too damn cute?

[wicket]

153. Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

[H2O Man]

25. Elijah just nailed Victoria T.

Beautiful.

[blogslut]

hee hee

That was fun. :)

[Blackhatjack]

41. When Ms. T testifies it will be large popcorn time! n/t

[Annces]

45. Right Bravo

[annabanana]

27. CIA cleared Waxman's opening statement

[buzzard]

42. Yes and that should put an end to the question of her status.n/t

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

29. Stephanie Miller cut to Fox News live...

where they had Bob Novak again claiming that Plame wasn't a covert agent. What a treasonous fuck...

[Sydnie]

37. Like Toehead Vickie, he knows more about her than she does!

NOT!

[Blackhatjack]

31. Waxman's opening statement was reviewed and cleared by CIA in advance --oh boy!

Let the Repugs chew on that.

Disinformation and confusion is their best weapon, but in this matter it has become crystal clear.

[Lasher]

120. Ooooo, that's good.

The CIA cleared the statements, including that she was covert. Now the reply to the 'she was not covert' lie is, 'the CIA agreed that she was covert, do you know more than they do about it?'

[Cameron27]

32. Pre-emptive strike against Vicky lol

Good for Cummings

[trof]

35. Good job, Rep. Cummings. COVERT. Nail. It. Down.

[Hepburn]

50. To the point and to the T!

What a great job!! End of discussion of this issue. PERIOD.

Great job! Nailed the point. And the info the the CIA cleared and approved of these statements ~~ absolutely wonderful!

Now an established FACT!

[rodeodance]

36. Please edit OP for 'official" --this board is getting Slow

[rodeodance]

44. still trying to clarify if Overt or NOT!!

[keithjx]

38. Rep Cummings kicked some good ass on THAT.

I think that's cleared up now.
KJ

[Eurobabe]

39. Cummings

Covert status at time of leak? Yes, congressman

During past 5 years from today, did you conduct covert missions overseas. Yes, sir

You went on covert missions outside of the US. Yes, sir.

[crispini]

40. Hahah "I've never questioned a spy before" nt

[crispini]

43. "I've never testified under oath before" -- Valerie nt

[ShortnFiery]

56. Westmoreland's quip about Plame getting more attention than Professional Baseball players

on steroids fell flat ... like a lead balloon.

Mean spirited old coot Republicans are looking like bullies. It's only enhancing Plame's case. :-)

[blogslut]

46. Was Westmoreland asleep?

:)

[Cameron27]

51. maybe he's just um...slow

[Blackhatjack]

47. Best thing Repubs could do is shut up and listen ... digging hole deeper..n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

48. Are ALL Representatives from Georgia this demeaning?

Good ole boy question approach.... well, Golleeeeee, Ma'm.

[crispini]

49. Who's this Rep Westmoreland from Georgia?

For a repub, he's asking some decent questions.

[spanone]

63. I'm from the south but this is one of those retarded sounding southern folks

they play stupid and naive but they are coniving and dangerous.

Here he comes with the Vanity Fair 'picture'.

[crispini]

85. Hahaha, yeah, I know that type.

I'm from Texas. Not every good ol' boy with an accent is dumb. :D

[Venus Dog]

53. Can't wait to hear Victoria Mob Lawyer Toensing lie under oath!

:beer:

[Cirque du So-What]

54. Lynn Westmoreland - R-GA now up

Needs to lay off the greasy kid stuff and spit out the wad of chaw. Trying to blame Joe Wilson. Quel surprise!

[Botany]

55. Go Cummings!

Those questions should put to rest anymore questions about her status.

What a tool Westmoreland ..... Baseball and steroids?

Trying to muddy the waters.

[Greeby]

57. This is getting repetitive

Is anybody going to ask any new questions?

[LSK]

59. maybe theres just some things they cant discuss

[Sydnie]

60. That's all the R's have!

they can't ask what they really want because she was COVERT and her previous work can't be discussed! They are pissing in the wind!

[EFerrari]

62. The Dems will, the Thugs will repeat their talking points

for the Borg mind.

[Eurobabe]

58. Westmoreland R-GA questioning

Did you ever tell anyone who employed you or what you did?

Did your husband know that you were covert or classified? Yes, being a former ambassador, he understood that I was undercover and protected that diligently.

[Botany]

65. The man is without shame.

Baseball?

And why are they trying to keep making the case she wasn't under cover?

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

61. I am somewhat disappointed by Ms. Plame's responses

I would like to see her switch emphasis from what the outing did to her career, to the loss the country suffered as a result of her career termination. The CIA invested significant resources in training and maintaining Plame in a highly sensitive position. As a result of her outing, the CIA lost her services as surely as if she had been shot and killed in the line of duty. And the country lost the intelligence for which she was conduit, putting our national security at risk.

Then again, Rep. Asshat's attempts to redefine "covert" aren't giving her much of an opening.

[sinkingfeeling]

69. She probably hasn't been cleared to discuss the repercussions of the 'outing'.

[EFerrari]

70. Maybe as she gets a bit more comfortable, she will. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

71. Kucinich up.....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

90. Kucinich - Look at this chart - extraordinary efforts made

to uncover you - what did you think?

VP: Dismayed, wrecklessness, political

K: Seen an Organized effort (has a big org chart of leak) before?

VP: No

[buzzard]

74. I think she is very limited in what she can say especially in an open forum.

[Ian David]

She's going to get to that. Don't worry. She's got all day, plus an interview with Olbermann. n/t

[H2O Man]

95. As she clearly stated,

the Agency did an assessment of the damage done, and did not share that with her.

[Bandit]

158. Even worse than when government spent over a million to train Bush* as a pilot

He immediately QUIT ands the government was just out our millions...No lives were lost though...

[NightWatcher]

regarding her photo in Vanity Fair

it was the smartest thing she could do. She needed to get her picture out in the public in the event that something should happen to her.

Damn this hick from Georgia, yall

[Laura PourMeADrink]

64. Westmoreland (R-GA) asking about Vanity Fair pic - asking

if she did a pic before her cover blown. What a dip...

[LSK]

68. what an incredibly stupid question!!!! DO SOME RESEARCH CONGRESSMAN

OR GET A FUCKING CALENDAR!!

[Hepburn]

76. Man, this asshole makes * look intelligent!

[myrna minx]

83. The repubs are pretty desperate, aren't they. n/t

[Eurobabe]

66. Talking about Vanity Fair photograph

:eyes:

Her covert status was blown by this point.

[myrna minx]

67. Asking about Vanity Fair:

VP: When that photo came out, my status was already compromised.

[Cirque du So-What]

72. Westmoreland hitting all the old, tired repuke talking points

Talking about the Vanity Fair photos. So damn dense that he's questioning whether the VF article appeared before or after she was outed! Christ on a cracker! Why did this assclown bother to show up for the hearings so ill-prepared?

[marmar]

91. They grow their Republicans big and dumb down in Georgia....

:dunce:

[LSK]

73. DENNIS KUCINICH!!!

[antonialee839]

79. Nice shot of the chart

[H2O Man]

86. I'm glad

he is going back to that chart. It wasn't a "simple leak." He's good.

[MrMickeysMom]

87. This wasn't just a simple leak of an ID

Showing the political path and organized approach to expose her identity.

Go, Dennis!

[H2O Man]

97. "Why?"

Now he is asking the key question.

[Sydnie]

75. Dennis up now!

Let's hope he blows the doors off now!

[Greeby]

77. Da Kooch is here!

:bounce:

[helderheid]

78. GO KOOCHIE BABY!

[Blackhatjack]

80. Keep it up Repugs, keep asking those questions she is shooting down...n/t

[Blackhatjack]

129. No matter who you support for Pres in 2008, How Could You Not Admire Kucinich?

WE need people like Kucinich in Congress rather than in the WHite House.

[librechik]

81. RW getting all their little quacking ducks shot down one by one

Did any of your neighbors know? You had your pic in Vanity Fair!

jerks

[POAS]

I can't wait to hear Toensing get shot down.

[Annces]

82. Kucinich!

[Hepburn]

84. WoooHoooo ~~ Kucinich is up!!!!

[dogday]

The lady behind her in pink with Impeach Bush Now

shirt on, standing up is great....

[rodeodance]

88. at least when Dems get up there--there is hope

[rodeodance]

94. I want to see that Chart that Kicinich is holding up better.

[Cirque du So-What]

89. Dennis Kucinich back to the chart

showing an organized effort to disclose her identity. Valerie says her outing is unprecedented.

[Eurobabe]

92. Kucinich up now

Backtracking to Hodes questioning:

DK Extraordinary efforts made to expose your identity. This wasn't just a leak in your estimation? VP:During the course of the Libby trial, showed a recklessness and a political path that was unfortunate.

DK: Organized approach? Coordinated effort by the government to expose an agent?

[NightWatcher]

93. Kucinch: have there been other leaks of a covert agent?

Plame: Not by their own government, no.

[POAS]

98. trying to show a larger pattern by Bush Crime Family

[AlCzervik]

96. on a lighter note, this is the first time i've ever seen her live and she is really

pretty, pictures don't do her justice, pun or no pun intended.

[POAS]

104. I'm jealous of Joe!

[trof]

105. Looks like a 'movie spy'.

She's almost too good to be true.
But man, is she 'TRUE'!

[berner59]

114. pretty and poised...

Very smart lady...bet she was a great spy...

Dennis is doing a GREAT job!! What a glorious day to see this unfold but it's all too late maybe...

Watson up...bring it home!!

[AlCzervik]

99. The Price of loyalty---i have that book--an excellent read.

[NightWatcher]

100. New Nickname for Dennis

The Hammer,
He's nailing the bushes bad, hahahahahaha

[crispini]

Edit: Wow, that was a stupid comment I just made. Nevermind!

[eleny]

113. I think he's showing a pattern of the administration

[crispini]

128. Exactly. I get it now. :P

[eleny]

155. Yeah, I wondered where he was going at first

I think it was a good use of his time for questioning.

[bobthedrummer]

101. Office of Special Plans is fried /Office of Strategic Influence never "closed"

that is Cheney/Rumsfeld, Feith, Cambone et al.

[H2O Man]

102. "Why?"

Dennis is asking THE question.

[buzzard]

111. The best one so far anyone who doesn't see the larger picture is willfully blind.

[H2O Man]

119. Yes.

Exactly.

[Cameron27]

103. Why did this happen to you?

Oh tying fed attorney firings, investigation of O'Neil and Plame to practice of leaking...more

[Eurobabe]

106. Dennis showing the patterns of abuse of power and intimidation by BushCO.

[MrMickeysMom]

107. I love what Kucinich is laying out in his questioning

The intent to intimidate ANYONE who comes up against these thugs!

[helderheid]

110. YES YES YES!

[myrna minx]

115. He sis that perfectly. n/t

[guitar man]

108. Kucinich

is a hero!! :bounce:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

109. Kucinich: Why did it happen to you?

Pattern? People fired, pressured. Have you followed this?

VP: Yes.

Kucinich: Talking about all the people who have spoke up
and then demoted/fired. O'Neill, Shinsecki (sp)

Joe upset. Intimidation. Intelligence officers pressured.

VP: Politicizing bad - VP constant visits to CIA during
run up to war.

intimidating

[tridim]

112. Just tuned in.. Has Brewster Jennings been brought up yet? n/t

[lisa58]

130. not yet

[Norquist Nemesis]

132. Same here, glad Watson's doing a 'review'

:popcorn:

(Should have set my alarm for this)

[Sparkly]

116. Damn! DK just layed out the whole case in a nutshell

That was excellent!!!

[MrMickeysMom]

117. God, Rep Diane Watson is going to be smoking, now

[Sydnie]

123. "and Robert Novack of all people"

:rofl: Priceless!

[myrna minx]

118. Watson: Thank you for an opportunity to expose malfeasance. n/t

[Cameron27]

127. The malfeasance in office.

I love that.

[POAS]

Watson giving me a WOW moment

[Eurobabe]

121. Diane Watson (D) CA-33

Outlining her experience as an ambassador. I am furious at the malfeasance of this administration.

[Eurobabe]

131. Watson, still hammering the fact that VP was covert and classified

when the article was printed.

[rodeodance]

138. she is very articulate----------and Dressed in PINK----ho ho

[Cameron27]

122. Diane Watson

I'm very sensitive to how it works, and I'm furious ...

Robert Novak of all people... laughs in the gallery.

[Sparkly]

124. "And Robert Novak, of all people!"

:rofl:

[Oilwellian]

125. There's my answer

Plame just admitted Cheney was looking over her shoulder in the run up to war. Wouldn't he know she worked as a covert agent after all of those visits to the CIA?

[The Witch]

That's what someone needs to ask "Did Cheney know you worked for the CIA?"

Sigh.

[JackBeck]

150. That would be delicious.

[Rose Siding]

126. And Robert Novak, of all people

:rofl:

What a DEAR woman!

[Lasher]

133. "The CIA has confirmed to this committee that your position was covert and classified."

[AlCzervik]

134. i'm a little late to this because i just home but do any of you know what time

the hacktacular Toesing will be testifying? Please and thank you.

[Sydnie]

137. I think she will be last - so it will be a while yet.

Waxman might offer a second round of questions for Plame too.

[AlCzervik]

148. ok i hope it's not too late, i have to leave at 11:30am to pick up my husband at the airport

i don't want to miss any of it. Shakes fist in air!!

[trof]

144. Possibly next panel?

I think this one is pretty open ended.
However long it takes.
I don't believe Waxman will cut this short.
It's TOO good.

[Lasher]

146. Yes, I think somebody said that early in Official Thread 1

Edit: Yep, here's the post I was thinking of

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x424238#424473

[myrna minx]

135. Watson is laying out, for the COngressional record that she was

covert and not a "desk job" position.

She is slamming down rep blundt jr's faulty assessment of Ms Wilson's status.

[H2O Man]

141. She is also

building a foundation for sharing classified information with people not entitled to receive it.

[Hepburn]

136. The last time I can remember feeling like this...

...was back when I watched the Watergate hearings. IMO, this is taking on the same feel. The lies are being swept aside...and the slugs are being put in a spot light.

Amen!

[H2O Man]

147. Exactly.

This is powerful.

[LSK]

139. new thread time??

[keithjx]

142. please! n/t

[helderheid]

140. we need a thread 4

[October]

143. Rep. Diane Watson is awesome

She's citing the "desk job" comments made on "Face the Nation..."

She's a powerful force...

Keeps mentioning "desk job" in a sarcastic tone...even Plame is smiling at her tone...

[MrMickeysMom]

145. Classified information = Plames' employment per Rep Watson

She clarified rules designed to protect our national security

[Hepburn]

151. She did an awesome job! Make one heck of a record. n/t

[helderheid]

149. NEW THREAD HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x425279

[H2O Man]

152. Espionage.

That's what we're talking about.

[bobthedrummer]

154. White House Iraq Group/WHIG is about to be stir-fried and the boiling oil

splashed everywhere

WHIG from sourcewatch.org
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title+White_House_Iraq_Group

[John Q. Citizen]

157. I'm just tuning in. Has anyone asked about the destruction of Brewster Jennings as

the primary motive?

[helderheid]

159. not sure - come here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425279&mesg_id=425279

[John Q. Citizen]

161. Thanks!

[Lasher]

160. I have not noticed Brewster Jennings being mentioned at all.

[John Q. Citizen]

162. Thanks!

[Ediacara]

163. Locking

We're up to thread 5 now

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