Plame #7 OFFICIAL

[helderheid]

#1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424238&mesg_id=424238
#2 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424577&mesg_id=424577
and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424583&mesg_id=424583
#3 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424917&mesg_id=424917
#4 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425279&mesg_id=425279
#5 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425485&mesg_id=425485
#6 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425729&mesg_id=425729

[Eurobabe]

1. It's coming back on C-SPAN, people must have called and bitched!!

[helderheid]

3. GOOD! This is the most important thing on TV!

[bmcatt]

11. Once more... CSPAN-1 *MUST* cover House floor

They're required to as part of their mandate. It's why they exist in the first place. If the House is in session, even for a pro forma session, CSPAN-1 has to cover it, just like CSPAN-2 has to cover the Senate if they're in session. That's why, for instance, CSPAN-2 shows so many quorum calls and has the nice classical music during them.

No amount of bitching and no number of calls could get CSPAN-1 to tear away from the House if it's in session.

Personally, I'm just glad that it *was* a pro forma session and we'll get back to the meat of this committee.

[Carni]

13. Thanks for posting this

I had changed the channel in disgust and wouldn't have known it was back on!

[Occulus]

14. Or maybe the House just got finished with its short opening of session gavel.

They're required by law to show gavel-to-gavel coverage of the House, I think.

[dogday]

2. Great, it needs to be shown in the light of day

for what it is.....

[Sydnie]

4. thank you helderheid

for keeping the threads moving today

[dogday]

5. I will second that... Thank you

:hi:

[helderheid]

6. You're welcome - I'm on the edge of my seat!

[Hepburn]

Another thank you here! n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

38. It's like the start of the Watergate hearings.

I'm so glad on off work today.

[myrna minx]

87. Hear hear! n/t

[rodeodance]

7. Direct link to Plame hearing is HERE:

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Direct link to Plame hearing is HERE:
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x425959#425959
425959,

Direct link to Plame hearing is HERE:
Posted by IndyOp on Fri Mar-16-07 11:07 AM

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1205

C-Span cut away and the Committee is taking a 5-minute break before calling new witnesses.

:woohoo:

[rodeodance]

10. needs some REC (and keep kicked)

[Hepburn]

8. Need two more K&Rs!!!

[POAS]

9. K&R and thanks to you

[Hepburn]

12. Question was brought up at the end of thread #6...

...about something being said about the Pubbies boycotting this hearing. Anyone hear this or have info on this? TIA

[helderheid]

16. I've not heard that but there ARE too many empty seats!

[Hepburn]

Well, IMO....

...if they are doing this, then the azzholes can just bury their heads in the sand cuz this is NOT going away. My first clue on this is when that chart came up ~~ Waxman et al. are MORE than prepared to take this one all the way.

Let the freaking pubbies be absent ~~ says more bad about them than good.

[trof]

22. T'was me. Just a rhetorical question, but it looks bad for them

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. So far as I've seen, only ranking member Davis and Westmoreland

have asked questions. Haven't heard one word about the rest of them.

[POAS]

25. they are largely absent..that's all i know

[myrna minx]

36. She was questioned by two republicans, so I guess it's not a very effective boycott.

Chairman Waxman did state that it's unfortunate that the chamber is rather empty, but as it is Friday, they chose to be elsewhere, and not because there were no invitations. They are silly to not attend.

[WinkyDink]

63. Agreed. If they think silence is a good media strategery, they are nitwits.

[Eurobabe]

15. James Knodell, Bill Leonard, (witnesses up next)

Knodell: White House Office of Security Director

[Norquist Nemesis]

28. Wonder if Knodell is "loyal" to the President

and if he was appointed. :popcorn:

Hope Westmoreland check on his political affiliation!

[Sydnie]

It sucks that we even have to entertain that idea

but, we do and in this case, we should ... just to keep the players straight.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Here comes the perjury and the truth!!!

[Hepburn]

18. My live streaming went out for a second...

...who is this witness?

[Cameron27]

24. James Knodell

White House Office of Security

[Hepburn]

31. Thanks! n/t

[naturalselection]

19. K&R

Thanks to everyone that is watching and reporting for us cube rats!

:toast:
:yourock:

[hwmnbn]

20. It looks like the room cleared out....

after Valerie Plame's testimony ended.

I'm waiting for that bitch Victoria Toensig to testify under oath.

[AlCzervik]

21. wow look at those 2 flaming hippies about to testify.

thats how i anticipate the rw media referring to them as.

[rodeodance]

26. Security person for WH is up now (took the oath)

[Norquist Nemesis]

30. Will Westmoreland check whether he's a Democrat or Republican?

*wink*

[POAS]

32. good rimshot

[myrna minx]

Heh. "Have you or anyone you've known ever been affiliated with

the Democratic Party?" That's how it sounded to me when he asked VP about her political affiliations.

[Kber]

105. If he doesn't

every democratic senator should ask every republican witness that same question from here on out.

[Blackhatjack]

27. Anyone know exactly what to expect from his testimony?? n/t

[POAS]

29. lies

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. Is this panel the "WH response" shills? n/t

[POAS]

35. Looks that way to me

[trof]

37. That's my guess.

[Blackhatjack]

34. Opportunity to ask Leonard about the WH using the RNC email system to subvert required recordkeeping

in relation to the firing of the US Attorneys.

[Lasher]

40. Yeah, that would be good.

He'd just say he can't comment because there's an ongoing investigation or something.

[myrna minx]

41. I'm interested in his answer to that as well. n/t

[IChing]

39. His background in this link

http://www.archives.gov/isoo/about/director.html

[ClayZ]

50. "Did they comply with reporting the diclosure?"

[ClayZ]

65. No Report on File that classified information was disclosed!

[IChing]

62. I don't get this he said he came on 2004 and his bio says 2002!!!!!!!!!

[Blackhatjack]

42. He will be asked about 'instant declassification' by the President in re: Plame identity

this could get good, because he is likely to say he had no idea that it had been declassified.

[POAS]

45. I'm gonna run out of popcorn

[Hepburn]

46. Looks like Waxman is using him to outline the duties...

...that people have viz reporting a breach on things like the outing of a covert CIA agent.

[Eurobabe]

43. Knodell in charge of safeguarding classified information

for White House.

[Lasher]

44. I noticed somebody has already put up video here of the Plame testimony

[Blackhatjack]

47. Waxman has out his sharp knife .... squirming and deflecting upcoming...

[POAS]

51. I am NOT aware----horse hockey

[tridim]

53. Here comes the perjury!

Nail em Waxman!

[Up2Late]

48. Can't -- Keep -- Up, Need -- Coffee.

I think I need a Morning User name called "Up2Early" for this sort of event.
Here's you damn K&R
:kick:

[ronnykmarshall]

78. Randi is gonna be on fire today.

She'll be bouncing some major boobies today!

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. GRR!!! The WH made an "agreement" about his testimony

Limited before he begins. :argh:

[POAS]

Non-Sequitor

agreement per waxman was about Libby case

[berner59]

61. Waxman's use of "hmmmm..."

is priceless!! He's got this witness by the balls...too funny...

[POAS]

68. that's

HMMMMMMMMMMMM with all caps!

[Cameron27]

52. Knodell doesn't want to talk lol

[dogday]

55. Why is he even there if he knows nothing

and was not even in the loop at the time it happened?

[helderheid]

He is soooooo squirmy!

[Hepburn]

60. Boy is THAT obvious!

STONEWALLING.....and looks like a cat on a hot tin roof.

[Norquist Nemesis]

64. "I have no knowlege"

Essentially taking the fifth without invoking it. He's only been there since 2004.

Probably hand-picked by Rove.

[Sydnie]

54. Stalling witness

He knows nothing, wasn't there, hasn't been told anything. Dismiss him and move on!

[Eurobabe]

56. Waxman to Knodell, were you told that there was a violation?

Knodell started in August 2004. Who was his predecessor?

[xxqqqzme]

76. this was done on purpose. It is what the corporaate media

will report.

[myrna minx]

57. CW: Did Karl Rove reported about what he knew about the breech?

I have no knowledge of any investigation with my office.

[Hepburn]

70. This looks bad for the WH because...

...there is NO good answer to the questions Waxman is asking. No investigation....bad. And if an investigation, then an admission that someone reported a leak of classified info. I am getting an idea of why he is there ~~ whatever he says does not look good.

[myrna minx]

79. They have painted themselves into a corner, just like their "logic"

trying to excuse the firings of the USA's. They are damned no matter what they do.

[Sydnie]

84. makes sense when blivet** said they would never know who leaked

They would never know, because they didn't intend to investigate it at all.

[trof]

58. Ahhh...Knowdell Knows Nothing. Just came on board in 2004.

cute, real cute
They got rid of the guy on whose watch this all happened.
How typical.

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Yes, and then made an "agreement" for him to testify

C-O-V-E-R U-P!!!!!

[tridim]

75. Big time coverup

Premeditated and criminal in itself.

Fuck the WH, fuck the whole damn place. It's 100% corrupt from top to bottom.

[myrna minx]

82. Sergent Schultz is in charge! n/t

[dogday]

91. bwa-hahahahaha

I know nothing, nothing..... :rofl:

[Blackhatjack]

59. 2 and 1/2 yrs in office and he never conducted or heard of an investigation by the WHite House...n/t

[Up2Late]

66. Would SOMEONE PLEASE ask this Knuckle Head WHY he doesn't Know this Stuff!

This guy is Sooooooooooo Typical of our current White House!

[ClayZ]

69. No Report on File that classified information was disclosed!

[POAS]

71. More quibbling over procedure inside the committee

[LSK]

72. I love having a Dem Chairman who can interrupt and establish the FACTS

[myrna minx]

73. Repubs whining about subpoenas. Claiming that they weren't

informed.

Waxman is disputing this.

[LSK]

89. last year Waxman would not have been able to interrupt to dispute this

[myrna minx]

It's a beautiful thing to see effective oversight in action.

It's been a long time coming.

[Blackhatjack]

74. This is what subpoena power and committee chairmanship looks like....

.... we would never have got these characters under oath and hearings would have been out of the question if the Repubs were still in the majority.

[Lasher]

88. Even if there had been hearings the Democrats would have been locked out like land sharks

Wah wah! Treat us fair, not like we treated you the last 6 years. :nopity:

[seemunkee]

77. Quit your damn whining.

Wah, we didn't know he would be here.

[dogday]

80. It is great to see the Democrats in power and

wielding it like a sword of justice... Cry on Republikan babies....

[A wise Man]

81. Knodell is hiding something

[dogday]

86. Aren't they all?

They all have some heavy duty skeletons in their respective closets....

[Norquist Nemesis]

90. He keeps having flashbacks

KKKarl probably gave him a big stink eye as he was leaving the WH to head for the Hill.

[Sydnie]

92. Spit take!

The big stink eye! :rofl:

[pberq]

83. Davis is in serious CYA mode for White House

He is squirming big time!

[ellacott]

96. David is such a liar

What about when Valerie was discussed on the plane on a trip overseas. The paper had "classifed" on it.

[Norquist Nemesis]

98. He might as well just save time and ask "Wasn't this all just

a simple, innocent, human mistake?" Then he grabs the gavel, adjourns the hearing, and runs!

(need more coffee)

[Annces]

85. Bureaucrats who show no sense of responsibility here

[Hepburn]

93. Hello.....Davis...you idiot....

...you are asking about wasn't it the obligation of the CIA to protect viz discussions of classified info on the WH. Ummmmm....how the hell is the CIA suppose to have knowledge about what the hell is being discussed in the WH? GMAFB!

[Sydnie]

101. And they couldn't very well kick Cheney out of CIA headquarters

everytime he came to visit, could they?

[marmar]

94. Mr. Davis, quit interrupting when the answer isn't what you want to hear....

Flashbacks of Lindsay Graham.

[Blackhatjack]

95. Davis is our best questioner! His witness just said there is an affirmative obligation to disclose

IF they disclosed, or they received, classified information there is an affirmative obligation to disclose that to the appropriate official, and that would recorded in writing.

Not what Davis wanted to hear.

But hey, keep digging....

[Hepburn]

103. That was certainly something Davis did NOT want to hear! n/t

[BR_Parkway]

109. The answer keeps being "not from inside my office" - wish someone

would ask him about any knowledge he has of investigations outside of his office. He's parsing that phrase very, very carefully.

[myrna minx]

97. I missed the beginning of his testimony.

Is Knowdell under oath?

[Occulus]

102. Yes he is n/t

[myrna minx]

108. No wonder why he's sweating. Haha. Thanks,

[Eurobabe]

99. So before Knodell, who was purged or left to SMTWTF

Inquiring minds have googled and can't locate this info.

[helderheid]

100. PLAME #8 THREAD UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x426446

[benld74]

104. TREASON! TREASON! TREASON!TREASON!TREASON!

[John Q. Citizen]

106. He tried the Sargent Shultz tack but what he doesn't know is more important,

because there was an obligation to check the classified nature of Plames work.

So that in itself is a violation.

The guy who is on the stand knows he's screwn. He's screwn, he's smart, but screwn.

[Blackhatjack]

107. Cummings just pinned him to the wall..... he abdicated this authority because there was a crim inves

investigation going on when he took office 2.5 years ago.

He is toast.

[IChing]

110. Nailed Knodell is nailed!!! No investigation when they said they were investigating

[Blackhatjack]

111. That dog won't hunt anymore ... that cannot comment b/c ongoing crim investigation

He cannot have it both ways.

[ORDagnabbit]

112. Waxman is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Blackhatjack]

113. "Was He Notified of Instant Declassification of Plame Covert Status?"

He would be the man to know the answer to that question.

[Blackhatjack]

114. Can you say 'Deriliction of Duty"?????