Is there specific times and places for protests?

[uppityperson]

Poll question: Is there specific times and places for protests?

Were you embarrassed by the pink tiara at the Plame hearing? Were you embarrassed by those yelling "impeach" at the hearing? Do you think there is a time and place for protests or do you think that protests should be happening everywhere and all the time?

Edited to add this question: Since the "multiple issues" choice has been selected, I am curious. How is the Invasion/Occupation of Iraq and Plame outing seperate issues? If you choose that choice, please feel free to post a reply as to how you feel they are seperate since to me they seem bits of the same thing. Thank you.

[Beelzebud]

1. Protesting during Valerie Plame's testimony was not the time or the place.

Plame deserved better. She's waited a LONG time to have her day, and her say.

If Code Pink wants respect, they should show a little.

[uppityperson]

2. If the clowns want respect,they have to earn it.

Which was it?:

Or

[Beelzebud]

3. A little of both.

[uppityperson]

hmm, I missed the bit about the nose

[uppityperson]

5. delete, double post sorry

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. The people complaining about the tiara, IMHO...

are trying the best they can to detract from the investigation.

[greyl]

7. Tiara person wanted attention, didn't they? nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Do you?

[greyl]

11. Yes, I want a bit of attention given to my protest of the stupid pink tiara.

I think this discussion board is a highly appropriate venue.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Appropriate?

There's major testimony underway, possibly the biggest shit to go down since we found out that Nixon recorded everything on tape, and you're going on at length whining about a pink tiara?

We've got different ideas on the word "appropriate."

[greyl]

23. Yes, appropriate. I'm protesting, remember? nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Yeah.

To bad you aren't protesting something legitimate.

[uppityperson]

28. "important"

after all, everything can be legitimate. Hi hooligan.

[greyl]

30. I'm protesting the self-involved distraction from the Plame proceedings.

You've already admitted that there are inappropriate times for protest.
Here: I also protest the unused trailers that are supposed to be providing housing for Katrina victims. Happy?

[uppityperson]

33. Nope. You need to write letters and protest loudly in public too.

Make a spectacle of yourself with a big sign saying "why the hell are FEMA trailers rotting away rather than being used to house Katrina survivors" or some such. Wearing a tiara to get more people noticing would help too. Or maybe bunny ears since the spring equinoz and easter are closing in.

[greyl]

42. I agree with your subject line.

See ya, I don't think I can make my case any stronger, nor do I think it's important to.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. You're a real hero, Greyl.

They should build you a stature.

[karlrschneider]

29. You really don't get it, do you? It isn't about what WE think, it's what

the right-wingers and fence-sitters SOME OF WHOM WE NEED to get rid of W are thinking: that she's a fucking fruitcake. Some great way to win over anybody to our side...:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. I'm sure the fence sitters are really going to give a shit.

:eyes:

[karlrschneider]

47. And your genius plan to impeach WITHOUT a bunch of them is...

what, precisely?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. Zoh. My. God.

Are you telling me that they're not going to impeach because somebody in the audience is wearing a pink tiara?

:spray:

What on earth are you smoking?

[karlrschneider]

60. No, Einstein, I'm saying it isn't helping.

Care to answer my question?

[uppityperson]

63. Anyone who votes to not impeach due to 1 woman wearing a tiara was going to vote that way anyways.

My plan, Post Tiara, is the same as it was before. Write, call, talk, protest, donate money to people and groups doing the same, donate time to people and groups doing the same.

[uppityperson]

38. Does this apply to Camp Casey also? Some people were very against that too.

How DARE people sit in a ditch out in the country near the bush ranch. How embarrasing and how maddening to have thousands of people show up there. Bad Vets for Peace. Bad Code Pink. You guys really are embarrasing.

(CC was wonderful but WAY hot 8/2005)

[karlrschneider]

46. FO

Camp Casey is a totally different venue and activity. You probably shouldn't smoke that shit.

[uppityperson]

54. LO

I read on the internets the same arguments about it by people. I don't smoke any shit.

[uppityperson]

10. Protesting something doesn't work unless people notice.

How can you protest without being noticed? What good would that do?

[greyl]

13. No shit. That doesn't provide sufficient reason for the tiara.

As you admit below, there are inappropriate times for protest.

[uppityperson]

17. And, as you admitted, there are appropriate times

A tiara. I find it difficult to believe that this much animosity has been gathered by a tiara.

[greyl]

22. I can't know what you mean by "this much animosity".

It appears you're accepting the basic argument against the pink tiara, but are trying to exaggerate the protests of it. It's just some posted opinions on a message board.

[uppityperson]

31. Nope. I like the tiara.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Yep that's my take on it too

I am sure they won't be in attendance at any peace rallies this weekend. They will probably all be too busy shopping for sensible clothing that doesn't offend Republicans.

I guess this shirt would be inappropriate as well.

[greyl]

6. Hypothetical: Chelsea Clinton is killed in a car accident.

A Code Pink member shows up at the funeral wearing all pink, including a goofy hat.
To me, that would equal self-involved disrespect for the gravity of the proceedings.

[uppityperson]

9. This hypothetical person is protesting what at CC's funeral?

Is she protesting the Occupation of Iraq? True. There are some places that protesting would be not good. Does a hearing about the acts of those responsible for the occupation of Iraq = the funeral of the daughter of a prior president?

[greyl]

16. Doesn't matter what the protest is about.

I'm only trying to establish that the fourth choice in the poll is ridiculous. Of course there are inappropriate times for a protest. It's not like there's a shortage of valid times for protest, so why be ridiculous?

[uppityperson]

20. because I like being ridiculous.

Even though I was raised to Be Polite Above All, I like being ridiculous. I like ptotesting and being noticed and laughing at how much attention here a tiara has gotten. It is ridiculous.

[greyl]

26. Me too.

You may have missed my post in the activism forum where I suggested we all go outside at midnight and yell "Stop the War!" throughout our neighborhoods.

[uppityperson]

27. I'd evenwear my tiara!

[greyl]

32. I'd approve. nt

[CTyankee]

49. Wasn't that a GUY in a wig and tiara?

Every time he stood up I saw a flat chest...

I didn't like it that they chose this venue to demonstrate but it does show the difference between our party and the pugs. We tolerate all points of view cuz we're not afraid of differing ideas, we welcome them. Pugs can't stand anybody having independent thoughts.

Just my 2 cents here.

[karlrschneider]

12. The issues are related but hardly the same.

The bottom line is that we will HAVE to have a fair amount of support from the Repubs for any chance to impeach the asshole. A silly looking woman distracting from a serious inquiry will NOT bring anyone over to "our side" and in fact, which is completely obvious from simply reading replies on DU, pisses off some of our FRIENDS. In other words,
she is doing our cause more harm than good. Her heart is in the right place but her head's up her ass.

[uppityperson]

15. So if no one gets impeached it is this 1 woman's fault for wearing a tiara?

We need more protests. We need more people protesting. All the time.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. If no one gets impeached, I think we can blame

the many keyboard commandos who did not one thing to speak out or protest. After all, it's undignified and upsets republicans.

[karlrschneider]

25. We need protests. The idiot pink woman is simply acting like a fucking loon.

Wrong time, wrong place. If you think she's going to GAIN us any support, you're living in a dream world. I really hope you are not too obtuse to notice she has pissed off a LOT of us who want to get rid of chimp. She ain't on our side.

[uppityperson]

35. Do you think our side will LOSE support stopping bushites because of 1 woman in a tiara?

[karlrschneider]

36. Probably not BUT it won't GAIN us what we NEED.

I just don't understand how you fail to see that. :eyes:

[uppityperson]

39. And wearing suits would gain us what we NEED?

You are right. I don't understand since it seems people have worn fashionable and business clothing, modest even, for years. Yet the harm continues on and on and on and on. I don't understand indeed.

[Beelzebud]

53. I refer you to post #44.

[JackBeck]

18. Do we have any members of ACT-UP on DU?

I'd love to hear their take on this issue.

[uppityperson]

62. That is a good question.

We need all sorts of groups and individuals doing things.

[uppityperson]

40. Bye for a bit all, off to take dog to vet. Wondering how to dress there.

What to wear, what to wear? My "War! What is it good for? Absolutely NOTHING!" t-shirt, or just a nice shirt and skirt since perhaps I should not bring attention to myself at the vet since it might not be appropriate there and OUR side might not GET the support it NEEDS?

[greyl]

41. Your sarcasm is off target.

Those against the pink tiara don't give a shit what you or your dog wear to the vet.

[uppityperson]

45. But the fence sitters might.

Those ones trying to decide whether or not to finally say "this war is wrong" might say "jeesh, look at that tawdry fat middle aged dog person, I don't think it is appropriate to wear anti-war protest material to the vet". Peace to you and all. We can feel differently. Thanks for chiming in. I am very excited about the hearings also.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Oh, I was at the vets last week.

Oh! And you should have seen her shoes! Ter-ri-ble! OMG, she must have gotten them at Goodwill. And that SKIRT! SHEESH! Honey, don't those vets make good money anymore?

[Beelzebud]

52. There is a HUGE difference between your vet, and the room Valerie Plame is testifying under oath in.

If you can't make the distinction, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

[uppityperson]

56. There are differences and similarities

There is a difference between a clown outfit and a tiara also.

[Beelzebud]

58. Context is everything.

Wearing a pink costume, complete with tiara, might as well be a clown suit at a congressional hearing.

[uppityperson]

61. So she didn't really have on a clown suit. Just a t-shirt & tiara.

That is what Code Pink does, wears pink. Sort of like Women in Black stand silently while wearing black. The tiara might be silly, but maybe it was just to dress up or to celebrate the fact that this hearing was finally happening! woohoo!

[blondeatlast]

44. Justice has had a very hard time of it lately. She's been tortured, exploited,

spat upon, and rendered impotent. This is her time to shine again at last.

If I were invited to Her house, I'd dress with a little dignity and respect, and I certainly wouldn't dress to outshine Her on Her big day. The way I was raised, it's just rude to try to outshine the hostess--but I may just be old-fashioned.

Welcome back, lovely Justice. It's so very good to see you again and may I just say, it does my heart good to see you again.

[Cameron27]

48. nicely said.

:thumbsup:

[Beelzebud]

50. I wish I could have said it as well as you just did! I want to recommend this post!

[greyl]

51. Well done. nt

[Beelzebud]

57. To the "protest anytime anyplace" people. Does that apply to Fred Phelps as well?

Or are there boundries of what is acceptable?

I've been accused of being a supporter of "free speech zones" today for saying they shouldn't have protested during Plame's testimony.

If it's NEVER wrong to protest anywhere, do you people support Fred Phelps and his protests? Or do you just support it for your own issues?

Trying to do a protest while Valerie Plame was giving testimony under oath was inappropriate. She has waited YEARS to finally get her say, and it was disrespectful to her to try to out-stage her during her testimony.

[uppityperson]

59. I refer you to post #9, repeated here with a bunch of answers and a question.

In cse you don't feel like going there I will repeat. Of course there are places and times when protesting is inappropriate.

Phelps is that nasty ass person/group that says it is good military are killed in Iraq, right? I support his right to protest, though I strongly disagree with his message.

I won't accuse you of supporting "free speech zones" since I don't believe that and wouldn't anyways. We just feel differently about this today.

Did the tiara really out-stage her? Or up-stage her?

[karlrschneider]

64. I'm afraid we are urinating into the prevailing advection here.

I'm taking a break...outside to teach my dog calculus.
:evilgrin: