PLAME #12 (YEEEOWWWZAAA!) OFFICIAL THREAD

[helderheid]

#1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424238&mesg_id=424238
#2 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424577&mesg_id=424577
and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424583&mesg_id=424583
#3 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x424917
#4 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425279&mesg_id=425279
#5 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425485&mesg_id=425485
#6 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425729&mesg_id=425729
#7 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=426051&mesg_id=426051
#8 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=426446&mesg_id=426446
#9 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=426714&mesg_id=426714
#10 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=426973&mesg_id=426973
#11 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=427233&mesg_id=427233

[POAS]

k&r

[Beelzebud]

1. Victoria has some heroin junky rings under her eyes. Not getting sleep?

LOL

[helderheid]

3. who is she?

[Beelzebud]

8. Victoria Toesing - Long time Bush/Republican shill.

[wryter2000]

22. She's one of the loudest "Plame wasn't covert" liars!

I can't believe she's here. This is going to be a grilling. The kind with charcoal briquets.

[philly_bob]

34. Link to Victoria bio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Toensing

[502WildcatDem]

6. ahahahahahahah

Would you like to answer the question?

......"I'm good"

[POAS]

14. Hard to sleep the night before you going to perjure yourself

[Beelzebud]

56. LOL so true.

[Annces]

2. Toesing up

[helderheid]

Ahhh thanks!

[CottonBear]

21. Did she already testify? I just tuned in. Thanks. n/t

[Beelzebud]

35. Not yet. She's sitting next to the guy talking now.

[Annces]

68. just starting - intros

[Cameron27]

4. k&r

[dogday]

5. K&R

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

7. k&r

[wryter2000]

9. Holy canolli!

Toensing is going to testify. :wow: I can't wait for this. Please pass the :popcorn:

[Greeby]

10. Anyone who says Demorats aren't doing anything

Need to park their ass in front of the TV during these hearings

[helderheid]

20. WHAT YOU SAID!!

:applause:

[lyonn]

44. Wow, we have needed these hearings for 6 years!!

The truth is just what we suspected. Gotta watch is you can.

[myrna minx]

Hear hear.

This is amazing.

[LSK]

11. Mark Zaid - Attorney

[Eurobabe]

12. Mark Zaid, attorney: testifying

[Annces]

13. Attorney Zaid looks like he is right out of college

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. His name's familiar for some reason...

can't put my finger on it.

[Annces]

52. Defended a marine in a defamation case involving congressman Murtha

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101345.html

[DemReadingDU]

Zaid - Attorney for Frank D. Wuterich

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Request to all posters:

Could you use quotation marks liberally? I'm having trouble telling what's being said by the congressmen, and what's being said by yous guys.

I want to tell the official snark from the unofficial snark.

:hi:

[Eurobabe]

26. we'll try, but it is all happening so fast. I am no stenographer, LOL

I have to look at the keys.

[IChing]

16. Who knows who the new people testifying now are?

Mark Zaid and some other person.

[POAS]

28. Victoria Toensing Notorious Right wing shill

[lyonn]

84. Right Wing Bitch - self assured, arrogant shill

and she now is cross eyed. Poor thing.

[trof]

17. Mark Zaid, Esq.

Mark Zaid, Esq.

Mark S. Zaid is the Managing Partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Krieger & Zaid, PLLC and specializes in litigation and lobbying on matters relating to international transactions, torts and crimes, national security, foreign sovereign and diplomatic immunity, defamation (plaintiff) and the Freedom of Information/Privacy Acts (FOI/PA).

Through his practice Mr. Zaid often represents former/current federal employees, intelligence officers, Whistleblowers and others who have grievances or have been wronged by agencies of the United States Government or foreign governments, as well as members of the media. He has participated in cases against or involving the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Departments of Defense, Health & Human Services, Justice and State, the Marshal's Service, Secret Service, Library of Congress, Taiwan, Mexico, Macedonia, the Government of Libya, and the Republic of Georgia.

Mr. Zaid is also the Executive Director of the James Madison Project, a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit, with the primary purpose of educating the public on issues relating to intelligence gathering and operations, secrecy policies, national security and government wrongdoing.

Mr. Zaid is a former Board member of the Public International Law & Policy Group, a non-profit organization which provides legal advice to newly independent states and states in transition, the International Law Student's Association, which oversees the Jessup International Moot Court Competition, Titanic International, Inc., a world-wide association that focuses on historic ocean liners, and the Arlington Sister City Association, which establishes relationships with foreign cities.

In connection with his legal practice on international and national security matters, Mr. Zaid has testified before, or provided testimony to, a variety of governmental bodies including subcommittees of the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, the House Judiciary Committee, the House Government Operations Committee, the Department of Energy and the Assassination Records Review Board, an independent federal agency.

A 1992 graduate of Albany Law School of Union University in New York, where he served as an Associate Editor of the Albany Law Review, he completed his undergraduate education (cum laude) in 1989 at the University of Rochester, New York with honors in Political Science and high honors in History. Mr. Zaid is a member of the Bars of New York State, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, and several federal courts.

You can e-mail Mark Zaid at [e-mail]

[IChing]

23. Thank you n/t tons of information at his post

[Norquist Nemesis]

39. Testified before--that's it!

Knew he was familiar! Thanks!

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

46. Lots of experience for such a young looking fella n/t

[bobthedrummer]

18. This should be extremely interesting, good for for many indictments.

[WinkyDink]

19. Edit: Is Zaid a good guy or a Bushite?

[speedoo]

43. He actually appears to be a straight dude, with no political agenda.

I could be wrong, of course. We'll see.

[rhiannon55]

24. Who is Zaid?

:popcorn:

[LSK]

30. the token lawyer???

[rhiannon55]

32. Oops...I didn't look upthread...

[rodeodance]

25. Press knew Bush WH wasn't investigating Plame outing and still PROTECTED him

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Press knew Bush WH wasn't investigating Plame outing and still PROTECTED him
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x427375#427375
427375, Press knew Bush WH wasn't investigating Plame outing and still PROTECTED him
Posted by blm on Fri Mar-16-07 12:29 PM

when Kerry brought it up throughout the campaign. How often did Kerry say that Bush couldn't even find the leaker in the WH so how could we trust him to search for Bin Laden? Just about every appearance he made I heard that point made in some form.

Why did the corporate media refuse to take up that question throughout the entire campaign?

The media ALREADY knew the WH was lying about their involvement, but why did they choose to look the other way after Bush specifically said the WH would investigate who leaked and hold them accountable? The questions for WH security chief today about the promised investigation shouldn't have had to be asked by Waxman today - it should've been asked EVERYDAY throughout 2003 and 2004 by the WH presscorps.

Media never PRESSED Bush or his spokespeople throughout that time on this investigation. THAT is why the lies about it never mattered to them.

The next investigation needs to be about the COMPLICITY of the media in this entire matter.

Time for corporate media to be held accountable for their part in protecting the White House for so long on this matter.

[Blackhatjack]

37. THat is my take on it as well. We had a failure of the Press that made this possible...

complicity.

[Blackhatjack]

29. I am sure being under oath will 'change' Ms. T's testimony...

otherwise she can pack her bags for the "libby treatment.'

[WinkyDink]

38. I'll bet she's rehearsed her equivocating to a fare-thee-well.

[blm]

67. I'm sure of it - I've watched her BS for twenty years to protect the party line.

Seeing her try to carry it off under oath is delicious.

Corporate media always touted her as a legal expert steeped in integrity, even though they knew full well she was always acting as a GOP operative.

[Hepburn]

103. I bet the testimony she PLANNED to give...

...and what she WILL give has changed ~~ assuming she heard any of what went on before she sat her azz down at that table.

[rodeodance]

31. everyone please REC this thread.

[hootinholler]

33. Gosh these are nice, but could we in the cubes please get some INFO?

All the fluff cheering isn't very helpful to those who can't watch.

-Hoot

[helderheid]

41. Sorry - it's going so fast it's hard to keep up !

[IChing]

45. He is just talking and giving a statement on the law of

classified information,

[POAS]

57. Found that he has testified several other times to

Committees including Justice

[helderheid]

36. I'm teary - I feel like I can breathe again - I love y'all!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

42. It's like a fresh breeze after 6 years in the doldrums....

[POAS]

48. We love you too!

[benld74]

53. This is what Zaid is saying,,,

YADDA, YADDA, YADDA, blah, Blah Blah

[rodeodance]

40. Big SCOOP so far: No sec. clearaances taken away as WH did NOT

investigate itself!

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. *ahem* They didn't need to. They knew who, what, when, and why. n/t

[LSK]

74. while at the same time said they would fire anyone involved

Or even anyone who know anything about it.

[tridim]

51. Treason and another big honkin' lie

Par for the course for the flunkies in the WH.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

47. Had to mute Mr. Zaid.

His exuberant "My Life History" speech is just so out of place after the past few hours.

[October]

59. True...yawn...but his summation is ok

I think he's winding it up...

Holy cow..

[Kolesar]

66. I was going to go watch global warming on Cspan 2 ... eom

[keithjx]

50. Zaid is testifying about

generic real-world leak/disclosure cases. He's a defense atty for govt employees accused of leaking/disclosing. He should have an interesting perpective to add.
Lots of "no general rule to apply" and "fact-intensive investigation"....
KJ

[Norquist Nemesis]

I have the feeling it's going to be a two competing lawyers panel

Toensing comes out of the starting gate with "since you invited Valerie Plame here" :puke:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

98. Nothing against him.

But my mind is still spilling from previous events today.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Folks we may finally have them

Oh and expect the usual suspects to keep wining

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

64. Ya think they're packing their bags and heading to Paraguay

as we speak ?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

55. Mr. Zaid is incredibly well spoken...

glad he is on our side

[Libby2]

58. Yes, he is.

[trof]

60. Yeah, I think he's one of 'our' guys.

[Wilber_Stool]

143. I don't think he's on any side.

Seems like a straight shooter to me.

[Straight Shooter]

146. A straight shooter can take sides.

:D

.
.
.

As long as it's the ethical side. ;)

[Cameron27]

61. Toensing

[malaise]

62. Oh Oh Miss Vicky

She will soon be nailed.

[ronnykmarshall]

Do I smell bullshit?

Ol' Victoria just dumped a load of it.

[Mabus]

She's certainly trying her best to tiptoe through the turdblossoms.

:popcorn:

[WinkyDink]

63. I already hate VT. She's so ARROGANT. And ready to LIE.

[helderheid]

71. Aren't they ALL? This entire admin is so arrogant.

[POAS]

72. She had her hair colored just for us!

[dogday]

76. She always colors her hair to match her outfit nt

[LSK]

83. why couldnt she have worn green today

:rofl:

[POAS]

114. Well isn't that "special"

[Lerkfish]

75. yeah, the hubris is amazing.

what a maroon.

[libnnc]

92. She called Novak a 'journalist'

He ain't no journalist. He's a *columnist* there's a difference, Vicky.

[ronnykmarshall]

115. She's VERY arrogant.

[POAS]

65. Toensing starting out tooting own horn

[Norquist Nemesis]

73. and taking a shot at the committee in the same sentence

I might have to employ the mute button

[myrna minx]

89. She is rather precious isn't she.

She's blaming the CIA for not protecting their own agents. She's being so sardonic.

[devilgrrl]

69. Toensing up talking shit...

:eyes:

[IChing]

70. Victoria Toensing -former chief Counsel

Senate Intell. Cmte...1981-84 speaking now explaining the law

[October]

82. Condescending...

She's going to blame the CIA...

[WinkyDink]

94. Well, she WROTE it, don'tcha know? So "Novak couldn't POSSIBLY

have broken it."

[IChing]

121. Background from Wik....

In 1984, she joined the Reagan administration as a Deputy Assistant Attorney General, where she headed the "Terrorism Unit," the first working group in the Department of Justice to investigate and prosecute terrorism-related crimes. As part of her work in the DoJ, she managed the government's legal efforts during the terrorist hijacking of TWA Flight 847, the bombing of Pan Am flight 103, and the takeover of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. She also supervised S&L fraud cases, prosecuted nuclear industry regulation cases, securities fraud, and fraud and bribery in the banking industry. In 1988, she entered private practice.

Being one of the key people to help draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, Toensing has been retained by a number of media organizations to give commentary on the Plame Affair. In March 2005 Toensing authored an amicus curiae brief on behalf of Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, two journalists who were subpoenaed in the Valerie Plame investigation for refusing to reveal information obtained from confidential sources. In the brief, she argued that "there exists ample evidence in the public record to cast serious doubt as to whether a crime has even been committed under the Intelligence Protection Act in the investigation underlying the attempts to secure testimony from Miller and Cooper."

She also contended that Ms. Plame didn't have a cover to blow, citing a July 23, 2004 article in the Washington Times which argued that Valerie Plame's status as an undercover CIA agent may have been known to Russian and Cuban intelligence operations prior to the article (by Robert Novak) that revealed her status as a CIA employee.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

77. Vicky (WH) Tonesinger... is telling us a romance novel...

:puke: :eyes:

[Cameron27]

78. Watson's looking at her ...

like she's a bug ROFLMAO

[ronnykmarshall]

128. Go get her Diane!

She's ready to take her out!

[helderheid]

79. She's blaming the CIA

[ronnykmarshall]

124. Now she's bringing up Valarie's donation to Gore in 2000.

That's some pretty lame straws there, Vicky.

[POAS]

80. Vicky ready to throw CIA under the bus

[Lerkfish]

CIA won't go under the bus...hate to tell her...outing Plame was the last straw for them

and goes beyond party affliliation.

[POAS]

122. But she's gonna try

[Norquist Nemesis]

96. I'd bet she was taking notes while watching Plame testimony

ugh, she's making me ill

[benld74]

She is using a law to protect Govt employees who don't know who

someone is and naming them for a group of individuals who had the powers to find out who the individual was and use it for their own purposes. Plames duties included all of the middle east, including Saudi Arabia who has just begun to develope their own bomb!

[devilgrrl]

81. Okay.... I'm going to vomit...

this chick is unbelievable. :puke:

[Mist]

97. I hope they drag her over the coals. What f@ckin' nerve... nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

109. "I have several other questions"

Hey Vickie! You're there to ANSWER questions.

[berner59]

112. What's with her using hands quote marks...

Everytime she says "covert"???? She's a pig...someone better take her to the mat...

[Flarney]

138. Please! The Bush-appointed head of the CIA Hayden confirmed that she was covert!!! nt

[rodeodance]

85. Media Mtters sees her: CIA leak case "dishonor" roll

Victoria Toensing -Scheduled for Waxman Hearing--is on DIShonor roll:


......."Former deputy assistant attorney general Victoria Toensing -- and everyone who gave her a forum"
...........
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703060017

Tue, Mar 6, 2007 6:18pm EST


Media Matters CIA leak case "dishonor" roll

Media Matters for America has identified numerous instances of conservative misinformation about the CIA leak case, former CIA operative Valerie Plame, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, and Wilson's mission to Niger. In the wake of the guilty verdict in the trial of former vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Media Matters presents a "dishonor" roll of media figures and outlets that have distinguished themselves with their flawed coverage of the case:

* Time magazine and former Time magazine correspondent John Dickerson
* The Washington Post
o Editorial board, editorial page editor Fred Hiatt, and those who echoed the Post editorial page's misinformation
o The Washington Post op-ed page and Outlook section editors
o Washington Post assistant managing editor Bob Woodward
o Headline writers
o Media writer Howard Kurtz
o Ombudsman Deborah Howell
o Columnist Richard Cohen
* ABC News senior national correspondent Jake Tapper
* The Associated Press
* Fox News

[Eurobabe]

86. Toensing blaming the CIA, they are cavalier at protecting their agents

Fuck you Vicky, you vampiress.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

134. I think Watson will check her on the "cavalier" statement

as she has experience with this.

[bunny planet]

137. Chairman Goldwater would be a liberal today Ms. Toensing, and something

tells me he wouldn't improve of your imperial hubris and arrogance in summoning up his law to justify KKKarl still having his security clearance.
What a tool she is.

[Blackhatjack]

87. Just waiting for the questioning to begin .... she needs her asbestos underwear today!

[AlCzervik]

95. thats what i'm waiting for, i cannot stand to listen to her puffery.

[rodeodance]

104. she is a Dangerous JOKE>

[ClayZ]

113. I hope they cook her goose!

[Sydnie]

88. Goldwater is dead - can we get back to modern day please?

We don't need a lesson in the law, we need an investigation.

[lyonn]

144. She is getting her raggity ass titt caught in the ringer

by the Dems. This is too fun. The only time people have been able to shut her up.

[ronnykmarshall]

90. Diane Watson is ready to rip her a new one.

[myrna minx]

108. Is she wearing a Brazilian power crystal around her neck?

:rofl:

[Sir Jeffrey]

91. Toensing getting ready to perjure herself...

pay attention!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

nice opening monologue to perjury :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[TexasLady]

131. damn right!

this woman is disgustingly arrogant!
she acts like she is better than everyone there!

cool, here we go with the questions.

[speedoo]

93. Toensig is going to try to help Davis.

Seems to be taking the tack that the CIA was responsible for preventing the leak. Can't wait for Hodes to take her on.

[magnolia]

119. She sounds like....

....the "Desperate Housewives" narrator!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

99. Willy Cicci to testify next.

Expected to explain how the White House had lots of buffers.

[youthere]

100. Is she on heroin? Honestly she can't even speak a coherant sentence!

[Beelzebud]

101. Blaming CIA! LOL I can't wait for the questions to start.

[AlCzervik]

102. why does she have questions?

[October]

So condescending...

Blaming the CIA entirely!

[helderheid]

105. THREAD #13

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x427730

[ronnykmarshall]

106. SHE has questions?

Um, Vicky YOU don't get to ask the questions.

[Norquist Nemesis]

117. If I were on the panel, I'd skip any q&a to her. n/t

[marmar]

107. Elijah Cummings has already set a big trap for this woman....

and I'm sure she'll lie her way right into it.

[lyonn]

145. He was Great! He had her stammering.

Never saw her do that before, ha

[keithjx]

110. Again, she (like Davis) is focused solely on the...

CRIMINAL aspect. Waxman has said over and over that the focus of this hearing is administrative and policy oriented. You DON'T have to have a criminal conviction to yank someone's security clearance (or ask them to resign).

WONK WONK WONK. What a witch....
KJ

[Blackhatjack]

111. When she first lies under oath -- SAY BINGO!!! (may be a short game) n/t

[izzybeans]

118. Bingo.

[youthere]

116. I'm going to enjoy watching the committee disembowel this woman.

[dogday]

120. This woman is just too freaking dramatic for me....

She is politically motivated to do this....

[Norquist Nemesis]

126. Yep! We need Westmoreland to check her loyalty

:evilgrin:

[myrna minx]

123. She truly is working on preemptive smugness. n/t

[valerief]

125. Vicki sounds like a snarky ten-year-old. Childish performance skills. nt

[dogday]

129. LIke it is personal for her

It was Plame who was injured by this....

[POAS]

136. She's like a middle aged Coulter without the adams apple

[speedoo]

127. Vickie ain't gonna score any PR points today.

Does she really think this catty tone is going to work?

[POAS]

130. Now the fun starts with the

examination by the dems

[Spazito]

132. Pathetic, truly pathetic

She is nothing but a shill and it is being shown so clearly in this ruse laughingly called "an opening statement".

[The Witch]

133. Why did she donate to Gore with her cover business listed? BECAUSE IT'S HER COVER YOU DOLT!

:eyes: :eyes:

[POAS]

140. I wanted to post when I heard that but

it's moving so fast...

What should she put dowm? CIA undercover spy?

[EVDebs]

135. No crimes committed Ms Toensing ?

Brewster Jennings id notwithstanding Ms Plame, the NSA's "Policy Shift" mentioned in Greg Palast's Khan Job article, shows that outing a nuclear non-proliferation operation seems to be the Bush admin's desire.

If that's not a crime I don't know what is.

[helderheid]

139. THREAD 13 THREAD 13 THREAD 13 THREAD 13

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=427730&mesg_id=427730

[dogday]

141. This is horseshit, I can't wait for a Democrat

to chew this woman's ass off....

[bunny planet]

142. Notice Toensing also is making a point to throw State Dept. under the bus

she deliberately only mentions Armitage by name, not Rove.
I predict she will regret trying to blame the CIA.