PLAME #15 (KICKING ASS AND TAKING NAMES) OFFICIAL THREAD

[helderheid]

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[xxqqqzme]

1. why is this woman testifying - other than she is a rethug shill

& rethug committee members needed one?

[wryter2000]

5. You got me

If I were Icky Vicky, I wouldn't go anywhere near that hearing. I'd be in Outer Mongolia now.

[Beelzebud]

7. Because she's been one of the loudest voices that Plame was not covert.

They are nailing her.

[Mabus]

44. and she promotes herself as being an expert on that particular statute

because she helped write it. Unfortunately for her she has been spouting her mouth off without knowing anything. Oh, that's right, she's on Fox a lot so she thinks that's the way everyone operates.

[libnnc]

2. This is getting really good

:bounce:

[wryter2000]

15. You KNOW Molly's enjoying this

She has the best seat in the house.

[ronnykmarshall]

Ok great!

Make me start crying!

:loveya:

[wryter2000]

71. Awww, sorry. Bad wryter2000

:hug:

[AlCzervik]

3. She didn't know if Plame was covert or not because she never talked to anyone

at the CIA but she walks around telling everyone she knows she wasn't covert.

[Mabus]

13. By George, I think you've got it

:crazy:

[WinkyDink]

19. "Under the law! Under the law! I helped write the LAW!!" Oh, STHU, Vickie.

[dogday]

26. She has no personal knowlege of V. PLame's status

she was not privy to CIA intelligence, she is not privy to any information... She needs to go visit Goldwater....

[blogslut]

4. Toensing basically called Valerie a liar

didn't she?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. Oooo she is so f'ning annoying!!!!!!

[IChing]

8. Watson is clearify what the law is on disclosure vs.the banshee's words

answer the question banshee.

[EVDebs]

9. Someone needs to get Toensing talking about Brewster Jennings quick !

[AlCzervik]

10. omg she can't answer the question and now she's trying to change the subject!!!

[Saturday]

11. Ms Watson is taking care of her. n/t

[Beelzebud]

21. She really did. Pointed out how Plame was under oath, and Toesing is under oath.

And how they both are telling different stories.

[BattyDem]

45. I'll trust the CIA agent, whose LIFE DEPENDS on knowing the definition of "covert"

Toesing is being ridiculous! :eyes:

[Cameron27]

12. Oooh is that right yes or no

k&r

[kirby]

Of course

'Of course' she says...

So Watson got her to admit that even if Toensings tortured legal interpretation is correct, the Bush admin violated their own Executive Order about
disclosure of Classified information.

[insane_cratic_gal]

14. NAILED

[buzzard]

16. I just got back home where are you watching this???

[helderheid]

28. 'Span 1

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[buzzard]

39. Thank You n/t

[October]

30. Streaming...

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[rman]

31. i'm watching it here:

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1205

[izzybeans]

33. cspan.org

[Richard Steele]

I'm streaming from Cspan

LINK: http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[MiniMe]

38. cspan

You can stream cspan1 online from cspan.org

[AndyA]

Rep. Watson: "I'm reclaiming my time."

In other words, shut the hell up you lying bitch.

Now she's taking Toensign through it using baby steps. Reading the law to her!

[izzybeans]

I loved that. No more dog and pony show.

[maddezmom]

17. Diane Watson is one smart lady

I have to admit, this is the first time I've heard her speak. Class act and staying in control. Unlike Vicky.

Thanks to you all for keeping these threads going. :loveya:

[wryter2000]

37. That's her name

I have a few new heroes today, and she's definitely one of them. Awesome lady.

[AndyA]

46. I'm impressed with Watson.

She is unwavering, and is not allowing Toensing to redefine the question.

I love it when she says, "Reclaiming my time."

i.e., Shut up, I am in control you right wing bitch. In a really nice way... ;)

[goclark]

65. Diane is my Congress Person!

Go Diane!!!

[maddezmom]

103. You are one lucky person

I've got the repug Brady from TX :puke:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. Is it possible Toensing is going to be looking at perjury charges?

From where I'm sitting it would appear so, but I was late and am behind a bit.

[brooklynite]

Nope...the operative phase she keeps echoing is "under the law"

in other words, "as I interpret the law"...which legally isn't my job.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

52. Ah, sneaky-smart

Thanks, much appreciated.

[brooklynite]

The Offical Republican Talking Points...

Valerie Wilson wasn't a covert CIA agent

...but if she was...

Nobody at the White House leaked her name

...but if they did...

The CIA is to blame for not telling the White House she was a covert agent


...but she wasn't


Did I miss anything?

[Turn CO Blue]

134. That's exactly it!

[EVDebs]

72. Not what they say but what they do...By their fruits ye shall know them

http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

WMD operations scuttled at home and abroad. Nations security or administration security what's the dif to Val ?

[robinlynne]

133. I don't think it was actually perjury. It was her interpretation, i.e. opinion stated

as if it were fact. That is what the repugs do all the time. if you repeat something often enough, people think it is fact. I'm sure she studied how to say it so it wouldn't be perjury. just as any law can be interpreted in more than one way.

[Richard Steele]

20. There is no joy in Toensingville! I'm loving this! Squirm, Vickie, squirm!

[Eurobabe]

22. Watson: therefore an improper disclosure of classified info

even though it does not violate the act (?) Toensing claiming legal lingo only.

[LSK]

KEY QUESTION: Why would they leak the information about his wife?

Thank you!

[hippiechick]

23. Icky Vicky has the neck swerve going ...

heh heh ... she's SOOO on the defensive & grasping for straws.
Beeyotch.

[Gregorian]

48. Hilarious. We're on the same page.

I really want to photoshop her as a gang bitch. Yo! Bring it on, beeyatch!

[TexasLady]

24. her gestures remind me of..gulp..Ann Coulter n/t

[quiet.american]

55. Yes... I was wondering where I'd seen that before. n/t

[glitch]

137. It's a valley girl thing. nt

[underpants]

25. She's trying to claim that she wasn't supposed to testify about THAT

whatever the THAT is that busts them.

[The Witch]

27. Somebody needs to make her feel comfortable and then skewer her

I hope someone takes that tack. She is looking for a friend right now.

[Eurobabe]

42. Nah, she's a tough nut like Ann Coulter

cut from the same cloth. No soft underbelly here.

[MADem]

47. Yeah, give her a chair full of TACKS. Sit back, toots, enjoy!!!

She needed to have her head handed to her--as just happened.

This woman is pure evil.

[MADem]

29. Watson just grabbed Toensing by the back of her hideously hennaed head

and shoved her face into a bowl of cold and greasy oatmeal.

[Beelzebud]

41. LOL Great way to put it! :)

[Gregorian]

32. This woman is so cocky. She seems more like a gang bitch than an attorney.

IT's the side to side head movement that gives her a cocky as hell appearance.

[Cameron27]

43. and dismissive

Miss cocky, smug and dismissive.

[WinkyDink]

58. And the difference for working for Bushco would be....?

[WinkyDink]

34. One of her goals is to talk, talk, talk, use up time, muddy the waters, catapult

the propaganda.

[Iwasthere]

54. Catapult the propaganda

To this day I am astounded that when * made that staement it didn't get more coverage.

[MADem]

57. They aren't letting her do it, either. The minute her tactic became obvious

the committee SWARMED. And that was good.

[robinlynne]

35. Watson. That was BEAUTIFUL!

[Justpat]

36. This arrogant bitch is basically saying that

Plame doesn't know what she is talking about regarding her own career.

God, this woman is unbearable.

[ronnykmarshall]

49. She just rolled her eyes.

What a pompous ass!

[Beelzebud]

56. Yeah, thats actually exactly what she is implying. Plame didn't know what her own career was.

As annoying as it is, I love it.

Does she think she's on Fox News or something?

Hey lady... Thats Henry Waxman not Sean Hannity running this show! :D

[Lone_Star_Dem]

66. Not just Plame, but it would appear that all of the CIA are also wrong

Or so my take on her stance is at this point. Amazing.

[sandnsea]

40. What a piece of work

She is out and out certifiable.

Wooo, waving hands, "delusion" - yeah that would be you Vicki. :crazy:

[EVDebs]

50. Spiking WMD/Non-proliferation ops overseas and at home seems to be the plan

What happened was, their, BrewsterJennings operations were disrupted and that was the purpose of what we were doing.

Khan Job
http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

[IChing]

51. Hollen now is up and going over the statements by the white house

and getting in the purpose of the hearing.

Did she know that there was no investigation.

[POAS]

67. Hammering home about no investigation

and she responds puts it back to CIA

[karlrschneider]

114. Wow, they didn't waste any time adjourning!

...

[bunny planet]

53. Val is Glinda the good. Victoria is the wicked witch of the West.

No offense to witches btw.

[madokie]

59. I so enjoyed reading some of the replys using the word I would like to use

concerning the, :shrug: ms toensing

[rodeodance]

68. She keeps saying her comments refer to "CRIMINAL" law!!

[rodeodance]

78. "shame on the CIA" says Vicky---

[bobthedrummer]

60. Toensing has perjured and misrepresented...

and she even has slandered Joseph Wilson

[Beelzebud]

61. Hey wingnut. The guy running this show is Henry Waxman, not Sean Hannity! LOL

She must think she's on Fox News. This is great.

[LSK]

62. the only thing she does is play word games

:wtf:

[wryter2000]

63. Is there only one Repug on this committee?

So far, I've only seen that one slimeball. How did the committee get this list of members?

[Beelzebud]

The rest didn't show up, or left already.

Like rats on a sinking ship.

[wryter2000]

142. LOL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Dinger]

64. Desperate Hag Says David Corn Leaked Her Name!

Fuck, she better stop before she gets to the end of that plank!

[SeattleGirl]

70. Ah, let her go. Into the drink with her!

[WinkyDink]

74. She can't have it both ways: Can't say Corn "outed" a covert agent, while denying Plame was covert.

[BattyDem]

84. Bingo!

:toast:

[POAS]

76. Has she blamed Clinton yet?

[nashville_brook]

good one!

[fooj]

89. Hmmmm...

Corn reported yesterday in his article that the hearing was scheduled for Mar. 17th/Sat. Interesting.

[helderheid]

69. SHAME ON THE CIA?

[Beelzebud]

75. LOL OBSW Indeed!

[SeattleGirl]

77. Of course. It's everybody else's fault but the White House!

[libnnc]

79. Oh BROTHER!!!! That's all she's got?

Unreal!!

[fooj]

80. I want this biotch's HEAD on a platter.

[WinkyDink]

85. Bush better not say he'll scatter it to the four winds, like JFK did.

[EVDebs]

86. Nailed it Van Hollen ! Brewster Jennings and Greg Palasts Khan Job article

http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

Discreditted for what ? To slap down WMD/nonproliferation ops AT CIA !

[Graybeard]

91. It's all the CIA's fault. Case closed. Thank you very much.

...Miss Vickie to the rescue!

[Greeby]

73. Enough already!

Chairman Waxman, charge her with perjury, throw her out of the hearing, ANYTHING to shut her up!

[Beelzebud]

83. LOL I'm actually loving this! :D

[ronnykmarshall]

105. He all but just said it.

[Laurab]

81. The guy behind Vicky the liar is a riot - pink tie guy

the expressions on his face are priceless!

[ronnykmarshall]

100. There's a hottie behind Zaid.

WOOF!

[dogday]

82. Don't look now Victoria, but you Republikan slip is showing

She could care less about the crime committed.....

[WinkyDink]

95. I'm willing to bet she asked Joe, "Do you think Plame is PRETTIER than me?"

[rodeodance]

87. asking her if WH has the Resp. to be informed about the status?--and she

can not answer-----she keeps running around it.

[blogslut]

88. Oh, she is really blowing it

Her complete lack of moral character sure came through.

[EVDebs]

96. Mention Sen Shelby's discussing the NSA words....

That's ok per Vickie ?

Investigators Concluded Shelby Leaked Message
Justice Dept. Declined To Prosecute Case
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40886-2004Aug4.html

[rodeodance]

She makes me ashamed that she is an citizen!

[rodeodance]

113. so, it was the Minority that called her. TE HE----is this all they got???

[rodeodance]

122. I think Waxman had the last laugh with this witness (Vicky)!!!

[rodeodance]

128. showing Vicky is all alone as she packs up (pathetic person)

[Beelzebud]

90. Hey Plame was just a desk jockey! Just ask CIA expert Victoria Toesing! :D

LOL What a fucking moron.

[seemunkee]

92. Had to turn it off

Can't stand her voice. Like fingernails on a chalk board.

[Sydnie]

93. Got saved for a minute - my phone rang!

:rofl:

[October]

94. Van Hollen is incredulous...

She keeps blaming the CIA.

Waxman's back!

[Beelzebud]

97. ME TOO! ME TOO! LOL That sums up her career.

[bunny planet]

98. That seems to be a consistent problem for you Vick, because we also are

laughing at you right now.

[POAS]

99. Damn, sounds like they a wrapping up

it's going so well.

[helderheid]

101. THREAD 16 THREAD 16 THREAD 16 THREAD 16 THREAD 16 THREAD 16

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x428519

[fooj]

102. So, she was a MINORITY witness?

BWAHAHAHA! Good luck you lying wench!

[Beelzebud]

112. ROFL That makes it even better! HAHAHAHA

[Sydnie]

104. OHHH the minority (who couldn't bother to show up) wanted her

to appear. Explains everything!

[ginnyinWI]

106. This is what we all voted for last November!

This to me has the feel of the Watergate hearings. Secrets are beginning to open up, and there's no telling where it will end. The WH is definitely unravelling. I can just imagine the scurrying that's going on there today.

[Beelzebud]

107. LOL PERJURY! Waxman just told her what is up! LOL

We think some of your comments are not accurate. We're going to leave the record open on this.

LOL

BOOM

[blogslut]

108. Ooh, SNAP!

Ms. Toensing, some of the things you said may not be true, but thanks for coming. See ya!

[IChing]

109. Waxman is saying her testimony is not credible and will be look at

[WinkyDink]

110. Waxman just told her they'll be looking into a PERJURY charge, although he phrased it nicely.

[Beelzebud]

115. Yeah he told her that with a smile and a gigle! LOL

[ronnykmarshall]

118. I just about leaped out of my seat when he said that.

Oooooooo! WE!

[Hubert Flottz]

120. Sounded like he told her she is full of shit!

I liked the way he did it! hehehe!

[Cameron27]

111. Waxman's going to check the accuracy of her statements...

Well that was awful....blech.

[pberq]

126. ROFL - Waxman's last word to Vic about her

statement that she wrote the law 25 years ago, not 30: "We'll check that fact out also"

Waxman is a great American!

[Mabus]

139. That was beautiful

We burst out laughing and had a hard time stopping. :rofl:

[POAS]

116. Waxman closing by putting Toensing on notice that they

are going to check out her statements.

[Hepburn]

117. OMG......HOLY SHIT!!!!

Waxman is holding the record open for any statements which contradict VT!

He IS looking at perjury charges against her!! HOLY COW!!!!!!

[LSparkle]

123. DAMN! I MISSED IT!

Vicky's cleaning up the table -- hey, take those coffee cups with you,

[POAS]

125. AND he pointed out that

she was only ther as an accomidation to the minority

[Catherine Vincent]

138. That's why she would always say "according to the law I wrote"

She needs cover.

[AndyA]

119. Waxman basically told Toensing that everyone else views the law

differently than she does.

[Catherine Vincent]

121. Okay, when is the next hearing?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

124. looks like she is about to burst out of that pant suit... bad camera

angle from the back :puke:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

127. I think toensing missed one critical point in Plame's testimony and one

that I had not heard before -

Plame was asked if she had been on any missions outside the country in the last five years and she answered "yes".

So, I think that Plame herself AND the head of the CIA have a better idea if she was covert or not.

[POAS]

131. And waxman kept asking

how she knew certain things that she stated as fact. Like that she wasn't outside the us for 5 years.

[ronnykmarshall]

129. That was GREAT!

I need a smoke.

Thank you SO much helderheid for keeping these threads up!

:loveya:

[AndyA]

130. Toensing is a truly hideous woman

Squeaky, mousy voice.

Horrendous red hair of a color not found in nature.

Awful clashing hot pink outfit.

Poor demeanor and body language.

Typical Republican.

[WinkyDink]

135. And laughing and trying to make light of this, when inside she's seething and scared.

[goclark]

145. Isn't she the * that blasted OJ everynight?

The one with the slimy lawyer for a husband?

[bunny planet]

132. Me thinks the minority party may have made a mistake in insisting that

Ms. Toensing be allowed to testify today. She did not help their cause in the least. Came off as arrogant, and it is on the record now that she may not have been truthful in her testimony. Holes were poked in everything she said, and she was clobbered with the distinction between the Intelligence Identities Act being violated as opposed to the deliberate violation of the executive order protecting the identity of undercover agents.
Oh dear.

[WinkyDink]

136. I know! I guess they were impressed by her "I helped write the law with Barry."

[diamidue]

141. or perhaps

she was brought in solely to plant the seed in people's mind that the CIA's sloppy oversight is to blame in this matter, not columnists or Bush, etc. If that is the case, then she has done her job well.

[POAS]

143. That will be the selling point-- CIA ineptitude

[bunny planet]

144. However, General Hayden's statement was clearly brought out to contradict

her assertion that Plame was not covert. General Hayden, the head of the CIA. I think Vicky has stepped out of bounds in her efforts to smear the CIA, and she will regret she chose to muddy the waters with that accusation.

[POAS]

140. I lost track of all the possible

"high crimes and misdemeanors" revealed today.