PLAME #16 (POP THE POPCORN AND PULL UP A CHAIR) OFFICIAL THREAD

[helderheid]

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[SeattleGirl]

1. Waxman is going to check out the beyotch's statements!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[fooj]

5. I want that wench's HEAD on a platter.

[underpants]

8. He just called her a liar

to her face

[shadowknows69]

11. Waxman is God

someone had to say it.

[wryter2000]

33. He is in my book

This is payback for all the crap he/we've had to endure since 1993.

[EFerrari]

46. I'm going to call his office and ask for an autographed headshot.

Swear, he gives me the will to live.

[BillySHEARS]

124. Great Waxman quote!...

Rep. Waxman at one point said that he regretted
not being able to put up a video of the president
promising a full probe but added,

"I guess we will leave that to The Daily Show."

~BillySHEARS

[guitar man]

13. for factual accuracy

...basically called her out for lying :rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Now now

think about a rebub doing that.

And folks this is why we needed the gavel

I hope people finally get it

[Hepburn]

30. He is holding the record open....

...for statements which contradict what she testified to under oath. IMO, he quite def IS looking at perjury charges.

HOLY SHIT! This is as good as it gets!!!!

[BuyingThyme]

38. Doesn't that actually mean that he's giving her a chance to go back

and correct the record?

[Hepburn]

52. Not the way I heard it...

..he is holding it open for evidence which CONTRADICTS what she said under oath. That sure does not look to me like he is giving her an opportunity to correct or amend her lies...er...statements under oath.

JMHO

[BuyingThyme]

60. I hope you're right.

[springhill]

107. According to Randi Rhodes........

She does indeed have a chance to go back and change some of her answers as to avoid perjury charges.

[Hepburn]

110. Wouldn't that be grand....

...if she had to change her testimony. I wonder how many heads would explode over that. IMO, VT is too arrogant to change what she said.

[Tempest]

54. Time for DU and the blogsphere to get cracking

With the resources available, Vicious Vicky is doomed.

[rodeodance]

48. He was actually laughing at the end. Vicky in over her head!

[JackBeck]

2. Kick

[Catshrink]

3. Whoa! What did Waxman just say?

He realizes that what Icky Vicky just said may not be accurate so they're going to check it out and correct the record to reflect that. :woohoo:

[blm]

15. Now THAT is how inquiring lawmakers SHOULD act.

.

[seafan]

27. Waxman: "Many of your statements you made with great authority may not be accurate.."

and (paraphrasing) 'we will check on them..'

[helderheid]

4. HA! You've perjured yourself! Stay tuned! LOL Waxman basically said to T

[fooj]

14. Yep. Checkmate Victoria.

[malaise]

How sweet is dis

Here's Vicky



:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[fooj]

50. I swear, if I didn't witness her bullshit myself I would never believe it.

Wonder what color STRIPES she fancies?

[Wednesdays]

71. Nah, no stripes...

just plain bright orange. :rofl:

[jmowreader]

128. It's denim once you're sent up

The orange jumpsuits are used in county lockups so We The People can recognize them if they get away, but once you're in the big house, you get a denim shirt and denim trousers--cheap and durable.

[librechik]

109. I just had to dip in here and share the snark

justice is sweet indeed

and especially when a Reptile richly deserves it like Venereal Tension.

[suffragette]

24. She's going to find out what oversight and accountability really mean

Go, Waxman!

[Dinger]

6. Waxman Telling It Like It Is.

Just said she lied, and the record would be kept open, and that her BS was going to be checked out!
Whoa, she is so fucked!

[BuyingThyme]

47. I think he's actually giving her a break.

[myrna minx]

7. Waxman: We're holing the recored open to introduce things that might

contradict what you say.

[wryter2000]

9. Holy shit!

We're going to hold the record open so that we can insert things that contradict your testimony today.

[myrna minx]

17. Snap-when she said that she wrote the law 25 years ago, he laughed

and said he would look into the accuracy of that too. HA!

[wryter2000]

63. Okay, now I'm going to plotz

I missed a few of his words and heard the laughter afterward. He really said THAT?

[myrna minx]

77. Yep, it was said in jest, but he basically called her a liar.

Hahahahaha!

[BillySHEARS]

100. But Bush said...

Didn't Bush say something like...
"THAT was in 1975, this is 200-------------------------6" ?????????
referring to warrants for surveillance.
These people use twisted logic when it comes to defending
their treasonous actions.

~BillySHEARS

[myrna minx]

102. Their "logic" is baffling.

Welcome to DU, BillySHEARS. :hi:

[BillySHEARS]

108. Thank You

...ty very much.

~BillySHEARS

[fooj]

20. Checkmate.

The creepy biotch is toast.

[Dinger]

31. Correction, That's Holy Fuckling Mother Of God Shit Sonofabitchmuthafucka!!

Watch your language:evilgrin: :yourock: :nuke:

[wryter2000]

65. LOL

I was typing too fast to get it all down.

:rofl:

[Hepburn]

45. Legally....

...that is the first step on the process of bringing a perjury charge against that bitch.

Boy, I bet she sure is glad the Pubbies asked her to be there. And, even if it is not sufficient for a crminial charge, it sure as hell is sufficient for a bar complaint to get her license pulled or suspended. The bitch totally deserves it.

[Morgana LaFey]

104. I have a question for you

If you were criticizing the performance of Clarence Thomas or Armstrong Jones, would you refer to them as N****rs?

If you were talking about Alberto Gonzalez, would you refer to him as a wetback?

If NOT, then why do you think it's in any way appropriate to refer to this woman using a gender slur? There are plenty of ways to criticize and even demean her without using her gender (and MY gender) to do it.

[Hepburn]

106. Bitch has nothing to do with a gender slur.

I am female and I consider myself a bitch. I just happen to be a good one and it took lots of years of practice to get where I am and I am proud of it. There are bad ones and good ones....and VT is a bad one because she is a liar.

[Morgana LaFey]

112. Your efforts to reclaim the word are admirable but misguided

It IS a gender slur; it started out in life as a gender slur; it will always be a gender slur.

[Hepburn]

131. Apparently...

...each to her own opinion.

[Morgana LaFey]

133. Yes, and you're entitled to your own opinion

just not your own facts.

FACT: try to name ONE instance where a repressed group has successfully "reclaimed" a similar slur. Has it worked out for blacks to reclaim "nigger"? ONLY among themselves.

Can you come up with one I'm not thinking of that HAS worked?

Here's why it won't/can't work: YOU, my dear, are not a member of the dominant culture (white male). YOU don't have that kind of power and all your efforts may work very well among your own peeps -- other women who "get it" about what you're trying to do (and there are quite a few of them) -- it doesn't change how the wider world (that pesky dominant culture) uses the word, and they use it AGAINST YOU. And against me. And against every living, breathing female in the world.

And what do you think they are calling us as certain members of the dominant culture beat us, and rape us, and kill us? Do you think it's something like "sweetheart"? Uh, no. It's something like "bitch" and "whore" and worse.

It doesn't help anyone to use the word, least of all you.

[Sydnie]

10. Going to need this thread for all the phone calls!

[helderheid]

12. Are they coming back?

[Sydnie]

19. All done

but I hope C-SPAN takes call now!

[Sydnie]

16. BTW, who WAS that blonde dressed in black sitting behind her?

Anyone know?

[Cameron27]

29. I don't know,

but I loved the expressions on the guy leaning against the wall!

[wryter2000]

69. Behind the committee?

I saw a guy with his mouth hanging open as if he couldn't believe what that creep was saying.

[Cameron27]

95. Yep him...priceless

[Sydnie]

121. This woman -

She was the dismissed Libby juror!!!!

Look at the look on her face!

[TheBaldyMan]

130. are you sure it's not Giuliani dragged up again?

[Botany]

40. I should be working but ..

.... what a bitch.



She kept trying to trot out that Plame wasn't covert by using
"under the law" in front of everything she was saying.

From this AM

Rep. Cummings' q & a

Cummings: Covert status at time of leak?

Plame: Yes, congressman

Cummings: During past 5 years from today, did you conduct covert missions overseas?

Plame: Yes, sir

Cummings: During past 5 years from today, did you conduct covert missions overseas?

Plame: Yes, sir

[WinkyDink]

72. She may have written it, but she doesn't get to be the sole interpreter.

[davidwparker]

101. What got me was her insistence that she knew Plames travels and what

she was doing in the past 5 years more than Plame herself and her employer. What gaul!

I kept thinking, Vicky, you aren't on Faux right now. You better watch what you say.

[poverlay]

78. That's it. I missed it. I've been waiting for that piece of info for a year or more now. Is that

a direct quote?

If so then all of Toensig's "under the law" qualifications are useless and will give Waxman carte blanche to nail her to the wall.

[Joe Chi Minh]

93. Maybe they should have told her that, surely in her position, it

was incumbent on her to learn the basic security regulations relating to such matters as classififed information.

That attempt on her part to narrow the focus of the investigation to her familiarity with criminal law was grotesquely facile, wasn't it? I remember retired Prosecutor, Elizabeth de la Vega, addressing precisely this issue to enlighten us, some while ago. And, as I understand it, her expertise, too, would have been focused on the criminal law, during her career. But SHE she didn't work for the highest tier of the Administration. And she still managed to apprise herself of that information.

[Joe Chi Minh]

79. I saw a lot of very long faces. I imagine they were some of her brood.

[Sydnie]

122. Not her brood - the dismissed Libby juror!

[Joe Chi Minh]

129. Well, well!

[blogslut]

18. Waxman closed with a big finish

What a great hearing. :)

[Hubert Flottz]

26. He did a fine job!

LMAO!

[Blue_In_AK]

55. Slapped her down, didn't he?

That was great. I finally had to give in and tune in for the last half hour or so.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Somebody should remind her...

what the criminal penalties for perjury and contempt of congress are.

[wryter2000]

23. Man, I don't ever remember a smack down of a witness like that

:wow:

I watched all the Watergate hearings, listened to all the Bork confirmation hearings and most of the Thomas confirmation hearings, and I don't recall ever hearing anything like that!

[EFerrari]

35. I LOVE HENRY WAXMAN. IN FACT, I MAY JUST MOVE BACK

TO HIS DISTRICT.

:loveya:

:toast:

:rofl:

[ronnykmarshall]

82. Come ON DOWN!!

We can hang out have margaritas and toast to the end of an error!

[EFerrari]

90. LOL! Yeah! Do you think they'll send me a headshot or do

I need a fake address down south? :hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

91. Just fake boobs.

Everyone else has 'em!

[EFerrari]

92. LOL! And a Hummer and a microscopic cell.

:rofl:

[Wednesdays]

37. I remember the Iran-Contra hearings...

and the Dems looked like a bunch of yellow llamas compared to what we had today!

[EFerrari]

51. You're right. I remember, too. We saw vigor and focus today.

Congratulations, Democrats. :applause:

[blm]

66. Some of those Dems were NOT on our side then - Lee Hamilton was on Reagan-Bush side

always was, and still is today.

Lee Hamilton is one of the leaders of the Coverup wing of the Democratic party. It is why BFEE always calls on him for ANY investigatory commission where they need protection.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

80. He was wonderful! Just wished they could get it on the record from whom did she

have the information that Valerie didn't apply under the law. Someone gave that horrible person information and I want it made public as to whom.

[Beelzebud]

25. That was fucking AMAZING.

[helderheid]

28. YES!!! I will open the champagne tonight (I always keep a bottle chillin)

[Kolesar]

32. Ok class. What did we learn today?

Toensing tried to finesse the difference between being an agent and being an agent "according to the definition of the act" making it a crime to disclose an agent's identity. I tuned in late, it was already the eighth thread. Am I close?

[EFerrari]

41. Yes, but -- revealing the identity of the agent still violates

the Executive Order and that shill was forced to admit that.

Game, set, match.

[Kolesar]

57. Ah! The executive order

thank you

[EFerrari]

62. I really want these mofos to go down for the good people of OH,

most of all, TBA. :hi:

[POAS]

70. We learned that there are more potential

"high crimes and misdemeanors" than we can count on two hands

[tinfoilinfor2005]

75. Oh, I've already forgotten about ms. clairol...

My mind is still boggled by the guy who headed up the security office. "Did you do any investigations?" "Duh-uh, ummm, nope." "Will you BE doing any investigations?" "Duh-uh, let me check with my homies."

[John Q. Citizen]

86. We learned that stop leak works better than that Dept. Head.

[Joe Chi Minh]

97. That, for once, the naysayers on DU are keeping a very low profile.

Their people are getting their butts royally kicked and their names taken - under OATH!

[blondeatlast]

34. Just a note of heartfelt appreciation to all of you who are keeping us up to date.

That's why I love DU!

I'm unable to watch and it's making me crazy!

:thumbsup::toast:

[wryter2000]

76. They'll replay it

Probably in the middle of the night. I'm going to tape it and rewatch it.

[blondeatlast]

87. I'm waiting for the Direct TV guy as we speak...

Sounds like it was a barn-burner. I'm gonna find some way to watch it.

[LSparkle]

36. I saw most of Plame's testimony but MISSED TOENSING

and that sounds like the best part of the day!!!! Damn!!!! C-Span will hopefully re-run this at some point over the weekend (PLEASE!!!!!).

[peacetalksforall]

58. We don't know what's in store for us - she is probably going to

get all the networks to let her come on time and time again - and only a few of will know that she is arguing something completely separate from the facts. She is arguing fine point of intended law that means nothing in real time in this case.

She thinks that we should lissten to her fine point of law and has hyped it up to contribute to and aid the WH trickery and help them in their dis-reality dump of what has become the ultimate dump of political and world destroying crap that is burying us - we have to live in the dump with them and their garbage, slime, and rot. Disgusting brown stuff and worse. They are not human.

[Wednesdays]

85. Got that right! She'll be on all the MSM shows

starting with Faux News. Doubt if any of the Dems will be invited, and the meme will spread that Plame is a liar and hack for the Democrats. :eyes:

[Hepburn]

96. If I were Ms. Vicki....

...I would turn down any and all of those invites. IMO, Waxman made it pretty clear he is holding the record open for evidence which contradicts her statements. She better think real clearly about giving him a bigger target by commenting on her testimony today. She is a lawyer and she should know better than to open her mouth now ~~ but with her arrogance, IMO, that will take over for her legal training and experience. At least we can hope so!

[crispini]

39. How funny is it that C-SPAN is running a special on presidential pardons tonight.

Just saw the promo.

[rodeodance]

42. Minorty sure got pucked on (Vicky was there witness)

[rhiannon55]

43. There IS a god!

And she's a Democrat!

[blondeatlast]

59. My grampa told me, on the occasion of my first election day:

"No one is in that voting booth with you but God knows how you vote... and He's a Democrat!"

[glitch]

88. That is beautiful! nt

[BillySHEARS]

111. ..and here is the Goddess

Valerie Plame Wilson, a Smart,HOT Liberal!
Move over Sydney Bristo!

~BillySHEARS

[helderheid]

113. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[BillySHEARS]

116. Hey...

Thank You helderheid!

~BillySHEARS

[EVDebs]

44. The key isn't so much Plame as it is Brewster Jennings operations

Khan Job mentions the NSA 'pre 9-11 policy shift'
http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

and ops they want to out

Phil Agee lets this out
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/27/1422244

Agee:
""What happened was their operations were disrupted. And that was the purpose of what we were doing. And we were right to do it then, because the U.S. policy at the time, executed by the C.I.A., was to support murderous dictatorships around the world, as in Vietnam, as in Greece, as in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil. And that's only to name a few. We opposed that use of the U.S. intelligence service for those dirty operations. And I'm talking about regimes now that tortured and disappeared people by the thousands.""

According to Toensing and Bush administration, screwing legit non-proliferation ops is o.k.

[helderheid]

49. Thanks guys - this was GREAT! I'll be smiiling the rest of the day! Off to get my son now :)

[rodeodance]

56. thanks for your work today.

[blondeatlast]

61. Thank you, thank you, thank YOU! I can't watch it and these threads

are a sanity saver!

Have a good one!

[TheBaldyMan]

53. Toensing is a fucking disgrace to the bar.

Whats a leak? Whats a covert agent (under the Act) WTF?

Un-fucking-believeable.

Valerie Plame had specific responsibility for WMD non-proliferation regarding terrorist groups and her cover and her network was blown. Incidently it set back intelligence significantly.

If that isn't a textbook definition of an intelligence asset in the 'Global War on Terror' I don't know what is.

[EFerrari]

119. Depends what bar you mean. Maybe we should ask the bouncers.

What a creepy shill she is.

[TheBaldyMan]

126. Judging by her performance they had to carry her out of it to her seat.

Cummings, Waxman, Hodes, Watson really nailed her though :7

I never realised that bringing down a President could be such good fun. It's a shame it didn't happen earlier.

[EFerrari]

127. I confess I'm hiding from my clients and watching it again.

:hi:

[WinkyDink]

64. THIS? Is why NOVEMBER 2006 was CRUCIAL.

[blondeatlast]

67. Exactly. To those who think the Dems haven't done enough--it's simply enough that

they have power and the majority of citizens behind them.

The walls will tumble...

[TheBaldyMan]

81. If hearings are all this entertaining I won't mind so much if Bush clings on 'til 2008

Amazing what a difference oversight can make.

I wonder how 'Holy Joe' Liebermann is taking all this. :nopity:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

68. What I couldn't get over and no one called him on it, Davis said a couple of times that Plame being

a CIA agent was common knowledge.

That man is such a frigging obvious tool for this sociopath administration.

[EFerrari]

74. He's a good little fax reader and I hope he feels dirty as hell right now.

:hi:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

132. Me too!

:hi:

[Sydnie]

73. I can't believe they aren't taking calls after that hearing!

:wtf:!

[POAS]

83. Are you kidding? they hafta go home and change

their shorts.

[Kolesar]

89. Brian Lamb cues "send in the clowns" on his little GOPspan network

Media Matters busted Cspan because they bring on a larger number of republican guests, exploding Cspan/Lamb's claim that they are balanced.

[davidwparker]

103. I saw that. And what's with the line thing. Sometimes it's Dem, Repub, and

other. Then, it is Dem, Support *, and other. Today, in fact, there was both of them on the same show. Is it by topic or something that sometimes it's Repub and then sometimes it's Support *?

[EFerrari]

114. Wasn't that FAIR? N/T

[EFerrari]

115. Link here:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2764

[Kolesar]

117. Oh, you are correct. thanks! ... eom

[EFerrari]

125. For all I know, MM did, too. But I remembered that one.

:)

[rodeodance]

84. White House Security Chief Reveals -- No Probe of Plame Leak There

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject E&P: White House Security Chief Reveals -- No Probe of Plame Leak There
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2769635#2769635
2769635, E&P: White House Security Chief Reveals -- No Probe of Plame Leak There
Posted by autorank on Fri Mar-16-07 01:15 PM

THEY ARE SO ARROGANT THEY DON'T EVEN DO A FAKE INVESTIGATION.

White House Security Chief Reveals -- No Probe of Plame Leak There


By E&P Staf
http://tinyurl.com/224jtw

Published: March 16, 2007 1:00 PM ET

NEW YORK Dr. James Knodell, director of the Office of Security at the White House, told a congressional committee today that he was aware of no internal investigation or report into the leak of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame.

The White House had first opposed Knodell testifying but after a threat of a subpoena from the committee yesterday he was allowed to appear today.

Knodell testified that those who had participated in the leaking of classified information were required to attest to this and he was not aware that anyone, including Karl Rove, had done that.

He said that he had started at the White House in August 2004, a year after the leak, but his records show no evidence of a probe or report there: "I have no knowledge of any investigation in my office," he said.

[BlackVelvet04]

94. Many years ago I worked for

a federal law enforcement agency, and I can tell you that even those who weren't covert didn't allow their names and faces to be published in a newspaper. Being a federal law enforcement officer just isn't something you advertise. So, whether or not Valerie Plame was covert under some law is really beside the point to me. Journalists know that outing an agent is dangerous to the agent.

[EFerrari]

98. I translated for a DEA agent who was eventually made into hamburger

by the Mexican mafia.

This stuff is more serious than a heart attack. :(

[BlackVelvet04]

99. Absolutely.....

I remember the time a drug cartel was busted in south Florida and the cartel had a notebook with photos of drug agents, their children, their wives, their homes and vehicles. It's serious shit.

[Blue_In_AK]

118. My husband had a high school friend

that the same thing happened to.

[EFerrari]

123. These people risk their lives. They don't carry AK 47s and

they have no back up.

For felons and thugs to play with their lives and with their service is obscene and treasonous.

For Kiki.



:kick:

[Kolesar]

120. All of which makes the flashy James Bond image seem like a cruel joke

Austin Powers

[HootieMcBoob]

105. She used the Cheney didn't send him canard

I can't believe she tried to peddle that shit. I wish they would have called her on that as well as the she didn't work covertly outside of the US in the last five years. Just bald faced lies.

[eppur_se_muova]

134. Big thanks to Helderheid and all who posted!

I was out of town on a long errand today (drove halfway to D.C., ironically) and couldn't catch the hearings. Reading the threads was the next best thing. It really read like history in the making, too bad the Repugs couldn't stand to be there. :evilgrin: