Here is the LANGUAGE OF THE LAW that Victoria ToeCheese keeps spouting

[yodermon]

and, as expected Victoria ToeCheese is WRONG and has perhaps PERJURED herself.
To wit, the IIPA (scroll to very bottom under "Definitions") :

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/laws/iipa.html

(4) The term "covert agent" means—

(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—

(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and

(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

(B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and—

(i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or

(ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or

(C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.

In bold are the sections that (I believe, and IANAL) pertain to Valerie Wilson at the time of the Novak Column.
To restate using the language of the law,
Valerie Wilson was, as of July 14 2003, an officer of an intelligence agency (the CIA) whose identity as such an officer was classified information, and who had within the last five years served outside the United States.

This is assuming that Valerie Wilson was truthful this morning when she testified that she had served on "secret missions outisde the United States" within the last five years.

It seems that Ms ToeCheese is trying to apply the language of section (4)(B)(i) to Ms. Wilson, i.e., "a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of an intelligence agency , i.e. a non-cia employee who had been recruited to be a spy, and who lives abroad. This clearly did not apply to Ms. Wilson, as she was a career CIA officer.

Any actual lawyers out there who can confirm this?


Victoria, you are busted. You purposefully dissembled under oath with intent to mislead, if not deceive.
You should be indicted for perjury.


Thank you.

[emulatorloo]

1. sounds like vicky is getting all narrowly legalistic on us -- Watson/Waxman

were all over her. Here's hoping this bites her in the butt.

[POAS]

6. Apart from Davis' opening questions

I didn't hear much defense of her from the Republic side of the room.

[Uncle Joe]

12. I don't believe there was much of a Republican side to the room there,

they were all busy elsewhere doing laundry and stuff, trying to get the dirt out.

[POAS]

13. If I were a Repukenik I'd stay away from that

meat grinder of a session also.

They threw Toensing to the wolves today.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Perjury is only perjury if you are NOT a republican

what's the problem with you ?
:sarcasm:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

8. no kidding. they can't be charged. Because.

Laws are only to be applied to democrat party members.

[POAS]

3. I would highlight this one also

"a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information"

because of her status as a NOC and that her cover (brewster jennings) was still an active operation.

[Raven]

4. Splitting hairs in law and in politics never works...

believe me, I've been in both places, it NEVER works, especially if you are trying to slide around the truth.

[EVDebs]

26. Bushco was busy destroying legit non-proliferation operations at CIA and anywhere else

""A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, “There was a major policy shift” at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to “back off ” from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, “follow the money,” was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die.""

from Greg Palast's 'Khan Job' article

Stamping out legit intel re nukes/WMDs prior to the phony crap about to be carted out to an unbelieving world and US populace required guys like Chalabi and 'Curveball' and groups in place like WHIG, OSP, etc. etc. They would intimidate and run over their grandmothers to get the Iraq oilfield seizures going. Next up would be Iran (read Brewster Jennings here). Ms Plame and her husband would simply have to be sacrificed for the team don't you see.

In Bushco's world if you believe something even thought it's not true it really is true. Don't you see ?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

5. Wow! Great to see it in writing. Those "or"s are critical

In fact, a couple of Toensing's questions seem to prove Plame WAS undercover. She used her cover company for the donation. Because, see, Victoria, the CIA PART was a secret, not the cover company, you moron!!!!!!

[yodermon]

9. actually, as i reread it,

BOTH sections could apply to her, but CERTAINLY section (A) applies to her which means she was definitely covert under the law.

And, truthfully, toecheese probably can't be charged with perjury anyway, because she can always claim that it was only her legal opinion.

However, such an asinine legal opinion should get her disbarred. :)

[xchrom]

7. recommend

[Nickster]

10. I couldn't find Larry Johnson's description of this act, but I'm almost positive that

he said the living outside of the US part was not an absolute thing. He was saying that if you were residing/working in the US and your covert activities were outside of the US (like Brewster-Jennings)that you were also considered covert.

[Schema Thing]

18. it's the "or" part

living outside of the USA is not part of it at all, when you read closely (took me a while to figure that part out).

"living outside the US" comes in under an "or".

[dogday]

11. Victoria cannot apply this to V. Plame for a couple of

reasons, the most important one being that she had no idea what Plame's status was, as she had neither spoken with CIA or Ms. Plame herself... Therefore her assumptions are just that assumptions, nothing more...

[Morgana LaFey]

19. No, she can't apply it to V. Plame because

her job is to cover up for the REAL evildoers.

:evilgrin:

[uppityperson]

14. thank you for this information

edited for typo

[orleans]

15. randi rhodes just said she thought victoria committed perjury. n/t

[yodermon]

16. Augh! Poster "litigatorMom" on FDL

made virtually the Same post as my OP! har.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/16/head-of-cia-says-valerie-wilson-was-a-covert-officer/#comment-564881

So, this could almst be called "common knowledge" now ;)

[Lint Head]

17. Perjury for sure!

Toe Cheese did not write the law that created the CIA that defines what a covert CIA agent is. She was 25 in 1984 when she wrote a statute for Barry Goldwater defining punishment for outing a CIA agent.

:dem:

[Cameron27]

20. I hope they do indict her.

I have no idea what that procedure is! Off to the google.

[ljm2002]

21. Victoria tried to say...

...that the agent must be living outside the US. Yet the text of the law is quite clear, the agent does not have to be currently outside the US and (as we all have understood) the requirement is that they must have done covert work outside the US within the last 5 years, and at the time of the leak that clause (as far as we know, and from Valerie Plame's direct testimony) did apply to Valerie Plame, so, end of story: she was indeed a covert operative UNDER THE LAW THAT VICTORIA TOENSING HELPED WRITE 25 (OR WAS IT 30?) YEARS AGO. If she was my lawyer, I'd go find a new one right away, based on her testimony today demonstrating that she cannot correctly parse and semantically analyze simple legal language.

[EVDebs]

29. More importantly, outing the proprietary BrewsterJennings (a corporate 'person')

What Ms Vickie doesn't say about that or want you to know is that the Bushco line is to out/discredit/intimidate anyone telling the truth about non-proliferation activities in the legit world. You must enter the 'twilight zone' mentality and dive headfirst into their rabbit hole. The Red Queen of Idiots is their mistress !

[LSK]

22. everyone send this to Waxman

http://www.henrywaxman.house.gov/contact.htm

[librechik]

23. bu bu bu-she helped WRITE THE LAW!!!

how is it possible she could mischaracterize it for mere partisan advantage???


I AM SHOCKED, SHOCKED!!!

:rofl:

[never cry wolf]

24. I think she was talking about a different law or statute

I realize that this is the law Fitz was trying to prosecute before scooter obstructed, but she was talking about some law she helped draft with Goldwater 25 years ago. Maybe it was an update to this one?

:shrug:

on edit: nevermind, I think that Title VI of the act must have been added in 1982.

[progressoid]

25. How much you wanna bet every RW gasbag will be quoting her on Monday?

And every RW ditto head will believe it.

Pretty soon RW politicians will be using it too.

[bridgit]

27. 'they' have lost, and Toensing & O'Beirn are among their most hysterical agent...

provocateurs :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[Justice Is Comin]

28. It is absurd on its face

that you would have to be living outside of the US to be covert in the CIA. If you're undercover, you're undercover. The statute couldn't possibly be written like that without the "or." Duh.