Did I hear correctly? The code pink lady at the hearing yesterday used to be a man in the navy?

[NNN0LHI]

I thought I heard that reported as I was waking up on CNN. Was I hearing and seeing things? They showed her in a picture dressed as a sailor before she became a woman.

Anyone else see that?

Don

[H2O Man]

1. Yep n/t

[NNN0LHI]

2. That is really cool. Thank you n/t

[lisa58]

3. She looked like a guy to me...

...and I started looking closely after the thrid replay.

[POAS]

23. Me too, I was too chicken to say something!

[Judi Lynn]

161. Same here. She had a square jawline, unusual for a woman.

Her shoulders also were a little broad and built up.

This was the one with the hot pink Statue of Liberty headpiece/tiara, right?

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Yes - although the weekend ninnies @ CNN did their best to make fun of her...

[durtee librul]

5. My neighbor started in about her

and I just reminded him that Ann Coutlter has an adams apple too - so what? Dumb a** just stood there. He thinks she is 'hot.' Unreal.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. unfortunately

she allowed a lot of people to just conflate yesterday's hearings with the "loony left" and thus ignore what was actually said. Rightly or wrongly, Plame is now associated with Code Pink, a tiaraed transsexual, and a poorly drawn t-shirt, making it easier for a lot of people to dismiss her. Shame, really.

[lazer47]

10. Think about it for a minute

When someone places an obvious "plant" take a minute and think about who benefits most from and obvious plant.

[MADem]

31. Hmmmm....are you suggesting that

Those Assholes Axis of Logic idiots are a BushCo bunch under cover?

You know, to me, that is the only thing that could possibly make sense when it comes to those fuckwits. I've said before, they AREN'T HELPING. And of course, I'm jumped on by ineffectual, impractical pipedreamers who are viciously intolerant of my having a differing opinion!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. You can call me a pipedreamer all you want

:)

[MADem]

29. Precisely. We could have done without the disruption.

Now, disrupting a GOP press conference, that's a good thing to do. Disrupting a hearing chaired by DEMOCRATS to get to the bottom of a BushCo injustice is just fucking DUMB.

These new school "Code Pink Assholes" are LOSING me, frankly. I am all for ending the war, I am not for people who don't seem to have a clue doing this bullshit "guerrilla theater" to NO GOOD POINT.

When CODE PINK was associated with little old ladies in pink outfits happily getting jailed by chaining themselves to fences to object to the war, protesting here and there, or holding up signs saying "End the War" well, I got it, and cheered them on. This shit, going after Democrats who are ALREADY antiwar, trying to infiltrate investigatory hearings that are ripping the lid off BushCo, well, that I don't get. Who's funding them, the Free Republic assclowns?

Maybe that opinion makes me "uncool" or an "old fart" but I will not be swayed from that opinion. And I know I'm not alone, either. Every time I see these idiots, my first thought is "Heckuvajob, morons!"

[lazer47]

39. Think about it

I saw it when they had the last hearing,,it was only when the Democrats were up,, did they stand up, yesterday during the hearing they only were visable when Mrs. Plame was being questioned,,,They don't matter to me I see them for what they are, it is the ones who just suck down anything they are fed that concerns me.

[MADem]

45. I'm fed up with the bullshit, frankly. These fucking buffoons who

whine about how "It's our riiiiiiiight to petition our legislators" don't even GO to their own legislators, they go to the antiwar ones. And they can't explain WHY.

I haven't seen ONE IOTA of video of them bothering a single Republican. Not one. Not a snapshot, nothing. They're assholes. Unhelpful, at BEST. BushCo tools, at worst.

The fact that this "woman" (is it really a woman? If so, she got ripped off by her surgeon) ran for Congress unsucessfully as a Republican is an interesting tidbit in that CNN story, too.

The 'gubmint' did this shit during Vietnam, too--they had infiltrators in all the bigger antiwar groups.

[lazer47]

47. Eggs---zactly

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. You haven't been paying attention

The Code Pinkers spent 3 years in the republicans' faces. Now that the Dems are the majority party, it's their turn.

[MADem]

96. Bullshit.

Where's the TAPE of them going after the GOP all those years, getting in the faces of GOP congressmen? Why, there's none. Why? Because they never got near them. And why is that? I'd have to guess that they simply didn't try.

They chained themselves to the White House fence, big fucking deal. They hang out a mile from the ranch. Oh joy, that's cool. They march in parades and call attention to themselves. Whooopie. Go do it again.

Better yet, go after Roy Blount, go after McConnell, go after Trent Lott...oh, gee, maybe they're afraid the GOP might get SERIOUS, and take them to court?

Yeah, they're real brave. Totally taking the path of least resistance. Chickenshits. Anything for some "all about THEM" publicity.

The longer they waste the time of anti-war Dems, the more I dislike them. And I am not alone.

[goodhue]

107. There is plenty of tape of Code Pink confronting repukes

But you won't see it watching CNN. They did cause quite a ruckus at the 2004 RNC convention.

See here . . .
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/296650.shtml

Medea Benjamin confronts Cheney at RNC

While much of the protest at the RNC took place outside the Madison Square Garden, a surprising number of activists managed to disrupt the proceedings inside. For the third night in a row, activists from CODEPINK: Women for Peace were ejected from the RNC after disrupting the primetime addresses of speakers at the convention's podium. Last night during President Bush's acceptance speech, he had to stop speaking twice after activists held up antiwar signs before being dragged from the floor of Madison Square Garden. Activist Jodie Evans revealed a pink slip underneath her dress that read "Fire Bush! Women Say Bring the Troops Home Now!" Earlier in the evening, Jorge Medina, whose son Irving was killed in the Iraq war was ejected for wearing a t-shirt with his son's photo on it and the words "Bush Lied, My Son Died."
When the protesters disrupted Bush's speech, delegates and others in the convention would begin chanting "Four More Years" in an effort to drown them out. This tactic seems to have been a coordinated response from the Republicans. Twice last night as Bush was speaking, the chant began for no clear reason. Moments later, Secret Service Agents could be seen dragging a demonstrator from the convention.

Earlier in the week, CODEPINK founder Medea Benjamin came within 30 feet of Vice President Dick Cheney as he sat in his box. She unfurled a pink banner that read "Be Pro-Life: Stop the Killing in Iraq." She also managed to ask Cheney, "How much money have you made in Iraq today?" She was picked up by Secret Service agents and dragged from the floor and down a staircase. That same night, Fernando Suarez del Solar was also ejected from the convention. His son Jesus was killed in Iraq in March 2003. He stood near the Texas delegation and held up a sign that read "Bush Lied. My Son Died."

The following night, as Dick Cheney was giving his prime-time address, CODEPINK activists Gael Murphy and Tiffany Burns unfurled a banner that read, "Cheney and Halliburton, Making a Killing in Iraq." We are joined now by a few of the people who managed to disrupt the RNC from the inside.

* * *

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/296650.shtml

[MADem]

119. Oh, wow, had to go back how many years to find that?

To the fucking RNC convention??? Where people were getting hustled out every damn day for one reason or another???

Come on, you gotta do better than that. That's totally LAME.

We've seen them making asses of themselves all over the Hill this week.

Where's the tape of them going after GOP LEGISLATORS???

Ignoring the fact that that incident is ANCIENT, Cheney doesn't sign any laws. He only votes in case of a tie.

I thought, gee, that the purpose was to go after people writing the legislation?

Love how these goalposts shift.

Useless fucks, these pink nitwits. They aren't helping.

Don't use the "CNN doesn't cover it" excuse--give us the YOUTUBE links, or the links to the ASSHOLES OF LOGIC website. But you can't, see, because there's NO TAPE of them going after the GOP. They're chickenshits, they take the path of least resistance. They're fools, who are making the serious antiwar activists look bad by association.

But maybe that's the point.

[goodhue]

123. There have been plenty of Code Pink confrontations of repukes since then

Believe it or not

[MADem]

129. YOUTUBE is free. So I'm skeptical--to put it KINDLY. NT

[uppityperson]

136. Is there a youtube of this person?

No, I don't have a tv accessible. Is there a youtube video, or even still photos?

[MADem]

142. NO, and that is my point. People whining that CNN doesn't cover it

can post the shit for free on YOUTUBE. And it will get wider coverage than IF CNN covered it.

That's how the bastards got Dave Obey. Real BRAVE of them, that bullshit. If the RNC wasn't paying them, they should--they carried a lot of GOP water with that stupid stunt.

But they haven't put up any of this swell mystery footage of these brave pink idiots accosting GOP congressmen.

Because none exists. You can't post whatcha don't have.

[proud2BlibKansan]

215. Lots of still photos

I even posted some. But our critic here is still not satisfied.

[MADem]

228. Gee, our critic would like a link. And NOT to pics of the Plame disruption.

The critic would like a link to pics of the Pinkies hassling GOP LEGISLATORS.

Not a pic of the RNC convention several years ago, either.

I wanna see GOP legislators confronted on the HILL. JUST like the antiwar Dems were confronted.

But then, you aren't even a member of the group, so I guess you might not have any pictures. You have a lot of talk, though.

[Name removed]

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[proud2BlibKansan]

110. Ask your media where those tapes are

I call bullshit on your post because I know for a FACT that Midge and Tina (my other friend you disapprove of) have been lobbying Congress since 2002 about the illegal invasion of Iraq. So has Code Pink and several other peace organizations. And I have told you this before.

Midge has been a fixture in her REPUBLICAN congressman Roy Blunt's office since way before we even invaded Iraq. She was in his face when Clinton was still in office.

I don't think Midge can afford a video camera. When I saw her in January in DC, she was using a little disposable camera to take still pictures. She used to have pictures up on her website, but it is down now. I imagine she chose to spend what little money she has on eating while she is in DC instead of paying for her website.

Midge and Tina are both sacrificing way more than you or me to be in DC to lobby for peace. Why you must continually criticize that is becoming more and more apparent to me. And I would imagine other DUers are seeing through your rants as well.

You continually criticize peace activists yet you refuse to answer when asked what you are doing to end the war.

I'll bet you have a SUPPORT THE TROOPS magnet on your car too. :)

[MADem]

127. Gee, video cameras are cheap. Midge spent two grand running against Blount.

How's Midge living in DC? Collecting a SSI check or something? She had enough money to buy pink clothing, a fucking tiara, and a few sharpies to make that idiotic tee shirt. She had enough money for pink hair dye...but she's too poor to buy a camera, eh?

What a lame excuse--Midge doesn't have a camera, indeed! Where are Midge's friends? NONE of them have cameras? Or do all these pink idiots only have cameras when DEMOCRATS are around?? Yeah, that must be it.

And you know what? YOu can take your "Support the Troops Magnet" snarkass remark and place it in your favored orafice. Is that how you debate? I disagree with these idiotic assholes, and you call me, WHAT? What's that lame, childish "I'll BET..." remark supposed to mean?

Gee, "I'll bet" you flunked debate in high school. I'd say college, but college might be above your education level. "I'll bet" that's the case because you can't debate for shit.

"I'll bet..." indeed.

Look, it is not my job to explain to you what I am doing. It's your job to explain to me how your idiotic friends/heroes are doing any good. And you've done a pisspoor job of it. The discussion here isn't about ME, see, it's about these assholes in pink outfits.

That's the topic--stay on it, and stop trying to change the subject when you got nuthin'...

[Name removed]

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[MADem]

173. Thank you for that post. I appreciate it.

And the advice you offer in it is outstanding!

[Name removed]

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[MADem]

236. There wasn't a single personal attack in that list. But if you understood the term

you would know that.

What you just posted IS a personal attack, and sorry, I don't appreciate it.

What I do "appreciate" is your profoundly childish approach to debate.

[liberalnurse]

177. Absolutely!

You speak loud and clear! Thank you.:kick: :yourock:

[Common Sense Party]

217. What's wrong with having a SUPPORT THE TROOPS magnet?

[MADem]

230. The cheapass implication is that people who support the troops also support the war.

It's suggestive of that. It's intended to be an insult. And Heaven Help You if you drive an SUV to display that magnet!!!!

Now, I don't have either a magnet or an SUV. But the idea is to suggest that since I don't think some hideous person in pink disrupting the Plame hearing was such a hot idea, then I "must" be prowar. Because there's only ONE way to be antiwar, and that's to make a fucking ass of yourself in pink costumes. And you'd better get with the program, or else!!!!

If you've given money to the Paralyzed vets, look out--that's supporting the troops! If you donated to the new hospital for Iraq War vets, ooops...you're a prowar 'enabler' I guess!

[Moochy]

165. We get it you dont like rudeness in your protesting

Everyone should ask our government to represent us politely... no disruption allowed.

Even the highly-motivated transgendered code pink activists have to check with you on whom
to protest, and how to dress.

Maybe you could suggest that Code Pink switches to black Armani suits, they'll be taken more seriously..

Just like lobbyists or maybe laywers... But are these sole legitimate agents of change in Washington? "take them to court"

So sure, lets fixate on the "troublemakers" and call them out as the "real" enemy within,

"chickenshits"
"yeah they are real brave"
"all about them"

(On edit, clarity)

[MADem]

178. That is total horseshit. You clearly do not read for comprehension.

They can wear what they want.

If they are unhappy wearing their pink outfits, as one of them complained how """HARD"""" it was to do, they can wear other clothes. That's THEIR choice, see.

What they need to learn to do, if they want to be taken as viable, is FIRE FOR EFFECT. To AIM.

Again, they need to aim their protest at those who support the war, not those who oppose it.

They've already put themselves in the "whacko, fringe, crank, don't get it" column by their VERY own actions. Another poster likened them to the Fred Phelps crowd, and I think that's a valid comparison, given their behavior of late.

Anyone who disagrees with their methods, see, is a war loving, car magnet toting, Rovian acolyte. Because they said so, see?

They're a bunch of simplistic nitwits. They further shred their already tattered credibility every day with their loony stunts.

[Moochy]

185. Aiming

At this stage, when democrats control both houses with a tenuous lead, whom should activists target?

Lieberman? Would a sit-in change this guys's mind about anything? no.

So the choice is yours, hurl more invectives and adhominems at Code Pinks membership,
or give us DU readers more on your preferred targets for protest in a democratically controlled house and senate.

And they are fucking nothing like Fred Phelps. It is offensive in the extreme and that other poster is a liar or an ignorant fool. Nothing at all valid about the comparison unless you consider falsehoods, lies and smears to be valid.

Elevate the debate, help me comprehend your vitriol and hatred for anti-war activists with bad aim...

[MADem]

190. Lieberman might work. If the Senate goes way Dem in 08, we won't have to kiss his ass anymore

It would be in his INTEREST to have the "correct" vote on his record, in the event we don't NEED his clout anymore.

But hey, targeting LIEBERMAN is HARD work. Going after people who want to end the war is way EASY.

That said, these idiots are AIMING at the House, not the Senate. You should know that, but you don't, apparently. So why would they be over on the Senate side, anyway? Their goal is to shape the House version of the bill, by bullying people who are trying to get 218 votes in support of it, and who already want to end the war. It's an idiotic tactic, but you don't even understand it, apparently, with your Lieberman comment.

With your above ill-advised post, which clearly, in your own words, demonstrates your lack of understanding about what these nitwits are doing, where they are doing it, and how they are doing it--and yet you SUPPORT THEM ANYWAY--says everything I need to know about you.

I don't support the Disruption for Disruption's Sake methods of these idiots.

And that other poster is NOT a liar, nor an ignorant fool. And that--read the rules--is a PERSONAL attack. Just because it isn't aimed directly at the person you insult, but instead is banked off me, if they're a member of DU, that's a no go.

But problems with AIM seem to be at issue here, aren't they? Is that the way you typically respond to people who disagree with you?

Elevate the debate, indeed.

[Moochy]

192. Hugs for the angry one

"says everything i need to know about you"

Yeah well I guess the same goes double for you being the paragon civility here at DU.

"You should know that, but you don't, apparently. "

Thanks for educating me, and elevating the debate to your level, where you endorse false smears comparing code pink to Fred Phelps, who as we all know hates fags.

[MADem]

198. I'm not the one tossing the PERSONAL ATTACK bombs

I'm not required to prance around and treat you with kid gloves so that your tender little feelings aren't hurt. I'm not allowed to call YOU an asshole or an idiot, and I haven't done that. I am permitted to employ direct language here, and point out where your level of comprehension is lacking.

Which it is, again, apparently, because you don't know the difference between pointing out a plain FAILURE in your arguments and anger. I'm not angry, see? I'm telling you that your arguments are WANTING.

And if you bothered to actually READ what the other poster said about the Phelps business, he was talking about the TACTICS used by that group, not their odious point of view.

But see--again, you prove my point. You are not reading for comprehension. You aren't understanding the words in these posts. You have no capability of interpretation or nuance, apparently. Or if you do, you aren't demonstrating it with these badly-formed attempts at responses.

[Moochy]

200. Must be those damn public schools

Got it, I will go back and re-read your posts, and earnestly to receive the wisdom contained therein... don't hold your breath, though, since as you point out, I is dumb.

[MADem]

202. I didn't say it, you did. NT

[Moochy]

203. well I was making a joke

and you were just being mean.

[SlowDownFast]

210. he" was talking about the TACTICS used by that group, not their odious point of view. "

Indeed.

Phelps and his ilk have decided that SOLDIERS FUNERALS are their particular place of PROTEST.

I almost regrettably support Phelp's right to free speech and protest. ALMOST, because it's his constitutional right.

I'm only making this point to those who believe protest had no appropriateness.

Yesterday was VALERIE'S DAY. The hearing was about someone who was told to shut up, or else.

This was her day to TELL THE TRUTH.

And others took advantage of it, distracted from it, claiming to be on her side.

With friends like that...

[MADem]

240. Exactly. It was Valerie's Day. And they stole that from her.

And they're not only firing at the wrong targets, they're shooting US in the foot as well!

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. When was Code Pink ever associated with little old ladies?

You really have not been a part of the peace movement, have you?

[MADem]

109. Most of the ones at the marches had some grey in their hair

or they just looked OLD. Old-ER, should I say. They used to be funny. Now they're a fucking JOKE.

Quite frankly, I liked that bunch better than this group of nitwits.

And no, I haven't been part of this disgraceful and useless bowel 'movement' that you affilate yourself with.

I'm part of the ANTIWAR movement, the movement that wants to get out of Iraq and fully fund treatment for my wounded brothers and sisters, not the "It's all about me in my pink clothing" movement.

[proud2BlibKansan]

113. And what are you doing to end the war

when you aren't acting in your keyboard commando role?

[MADem]

132. Stick to the topic. The topic isn't ME--it's these pink idiots.

No matter how much you try to change the subject, it ain't working. This thread is not ABOUT me. It's about your pink, kooky pals.

You tell ME what these idiots are doing to end the war. Answer--NOTHING. They're disrupting the work of antiwar legislators and making asses of themselves.

Useless fools.

And you're quite the keyboard commando, yourself. You always seem to be behind yours while your pals are getting press coverage for disrupting events that are important to those of us who are DEMOCRATS, interested in the Democratic agenda, and seeking to end this war. You keep trying to convince everyone that these assholes are doing some good, when we prefer to believe our own eyes and not your absurd spin on the matter.

And that makes you angry. That most will not be swayed by your absurd rhetoric.

Gee, that's kind of interesting, that.

[proud2BlibKansan]

143. No your drama is making the thread about YOU

But instead of insulting you, I have asked you a simple question. What are you doing to end the war? You have spent much energy criticizing 2 of my good friends. I tried to explain what they are doing and why but you continue to respond with your drama queen replies. We get it already; you disagree with the peace movement in DC.

So do you not want the war to end? Is that it? If not, what is the best way to end it? Congress is not listening. What do you suggest?

[MADem]

150. No, you are the one dramatically pissing and moaning because someone doesn't

go cheerfully along with your asinine ideas and viewpoints.

And I am NOT insulting you. I'm not the one suggesting that YOU have a Support the Troops magnet on your car. That's an insult. A personal one. Veiled, certainly, but we know what it means, don't we?

I AM insulting your idiotic friends. Loudly and repeatedly. I'm calling them fools, misguided twits, and assholes who are interfering with the efforts of antiwar legislators, and the campaign to end the war.

And no matter how much you try to change the subject to ME, I'm not buying it. Your pals are the subject, and they are JERKS who are NOT HELPING.

[Moochy]

169. You keep saying that

that the topic is code pink, not how much vitriol you can heap on them...

[MADem]

180. I'm not "heaping vitriol." Is that what you say everytime someone disagrees with you or your ideas?

How mature.

The "They're being mean to me" response doesn't work in debate.

[Moochy]

186. When people disagree with me I want to know why..

When you list many ad-hominems and insults at a group whom I respect for their staunch bipartisan anti-war activism, I call that screed what it is, emotional ranting, or vitriol. You clearly have a double standard when it comes to accountability.

Democrats in power? No need for direct action by anti-war groups. they should target whom again?

Who are the valid target lists approved by MADem?

[MADem]

191. Bi-partisan, anti-war activism? You call beating up antiwar Democrats that?

Here's a clue for your lunatic pals. Tell them to FORGET PARTY LINES.

Go after the people who SUPPORT CONTINUING THIS WAR. Not the ones who want to END it.

Is that so hard?

And you may respect those people, but you have no understanding of what they are doing, as I posted elsewhere.

[MADem]

201. Gee, how about people who SUPPORT THE WAR?

That's a logical group to start with, eh?

You show your ignorance of the system when you extrapolate "Democrats in Power" to "Democrats having ALL THE POWER."

We DON'T HAVE ALL the power. But if you and that bunch of morons in pink seem to think that. If you bothered to actually look at the numbers and do some nose counting, you'd realize that Nancy Pelosi cannot snap her fingers and scare up votes. The Blue Dogs have their own PACS and their OWN MONEY. They don't have to dance to Nancy's tune. And the GOP isn't going to change their vote unless their CONSTITUENTS actually start complaining to them.

So start AIMING.

Sheesh. It's not that hard.

[goodhue]

115. Code Pink founders & staff - not much grey

http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?list=type&type=14


Medea Benjamin


Jodie Evans


Gael Murphy


Nancy Kricorian


Dana Balicki


Rae Abileah


Gayle Brandeis


Samantha Miller


Liz Kimmerly

[MADem]

135. They aren't the ones who got up on stage at those UPJ events. NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

153. They hold their rallies before the UPJ does

In January, Code Pink had a rally at 9:30 in the morning and the UPJ event started at 11:00.

I take it you weren't there?

[MADem]

159. I watched it on CSPAN. The ones on stage looked old.

Or maybe those were the Grannies.

It doesn't matter, really, if they're old or twelve year olds--they certainly act like the latter, lately, which makes me wonder if they've been infiltrated by the right.

The subject remains that the nitwit who ruined the Plame hearing isn't helping. Nor is your pal Tina with her attack on Obey.

And we don't have any footage of Code Pink going after GOP legislators, and we likely never will, because they don't take on tough gigs, apparently.

That's the crux of it all. Everything else is distractions.

[proud2BlibKansan]

163. I won't expect an apology

http://grassrootsamerica4us.org/Occupation_Project_Update_Week_3.htm

[SlowDownFast]

168. You deserve as much as of an apology

as the fuckwit woman who badgered and filmed a frustrated Congressmen Obey.

[Moochy]

172. Accountability: it's just for republicans!

[MADem]

183. You won't get one either. You're the only one who seems to think that calling someone OLD is an

INSULT.

Which says a helluva lot about your "progressive" views--doesn't it?

I happen to view age as a badge of honor. You see it as something else. And that's, shall we say, one of many rather interesting things about you.

[uppityperson]

118. I have seen some incredibly offensive things on DU. Welcome to the list.

[MADem]

133. Well, you know what to do--go on and do it. NT

[uppityperson]

137. I do. I did. Alert is my friend. Here are the rules.

Edited to add this bit from the rules.
3. Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum.
4. Content: Do not post messages that are inflammatory, extreme, divisive, incoherent, or otherwise inappropriate. Do not engage in anti-social, disruptive, or trolling behavior. Do not post broad-brush, bigoted statements. The moderators and administrators work very hard to enforce some minimal standards regarding what content is appropriate. But please remember that this is a large and diverse community that includes a broad range of opinion. People who are easily offended, or who are not accustomed to having their opinions (including deeply personal convictions) challenged may not feel entirely comfortable here. A thick skin is necessary to participate on this or any other discussion forum.

[MADem]

147. Yep, that's right. Read those rules real good, now.

I'm not personally attacking anyone. Saying your IDEAS SUCK, and are SHITTY, is not the same as saying the same thing about YOU. Saying your friends are idiotic assholes is simply a point of view, and it's acceptable here. I'm not REQUIRED to love your friends, and it's acceptable to say that they are jerks and fools who are ruining the antiwar agenda and giving aid and comfort to the GOP, if that is what I believe.

Saying "I bet you have a Support the Troops Magnet on Your car" IS, however, a veiled personal insult. It could also be viewed as a broad-brushed, bigoted statement directed against me.

Sorry, there, saying what I honestly THOUGHT about someone's appearance ain't bigoted. No matter how much you might try to spin it that way.

You might want to look in the mirror. And reread those rules with actual COMPREHENSION in mind.

[proud2BlibKansan]

156. Amen to that

[liberalnurse]

181. Oh my.....

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[H2O Man]

12. I agree.

I'm not sure how that report had anything to do with the Plame testimony, or this person's making a statement on the case with her shirt. It was no more significant than Valerie Plame's being a democrat.

[liberalnurse]

7. I've come to the opinion that it was

not the "right time" for Code Pink to make a presence during the Valerie Plame Hearing. It was selfish of Code Pink this time. The Wilson's have sacrificed careers, they live with the thought of impending assassination, they have used their own funds and have done more than ANY Congressional politician has ever done to end this war.

She deserved respect....So much more. Code Pink has behaved badly.

[Timbuk3]

8. I agree

I like code pink. I've seen them at the marches in DC and they're good at using humor to make their point.

This time, though, it looks like they, or this individual member, thought their own 15 minutes of fame was more important than Valerie's testimony.

I didn't need anyone to remind me that I'd like to see Bush impeached. What we all needed was for Valerie's words to get fair coverage and circulation by the military-industrial-media.

[Eric J in MN]

27. The Valerie Plame hearing speak for themselves.

They didn't need someone with an Impeach Bush shirt in the background.

[Venus Dog]

9. Wrong place, wrong time

I was very disappointed that this person had to get themselves into camera view. It will be used by the enemy over and over to detract from the real issue. Valerie Plame & Joe Wilson do not deserve this!

[MADem]

34. Well, that's ALL they fucking do. Wrong place, wrong time, WRONG PEOPLE

Obey, Pelosi, Murtha?

I mean, COME ON. These are hardly the Top Three in the PRO War crowd, so why pester them?

[EFerrari]

72. Because they are writing the legislation. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. But they are sacred Democrats!

We must not disturb them!

:sarcasm:

[Name removed]

104. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[proud2BlibKansan]

114. You are the one who doesn't get it

World peace is not a partisan fight.

[Moochy]

175. Perfectly said

Partisanship like all things, is only good in moderation!

[EFerrari]

193. They are doing hard work. My job is to anchor the neglected left.

:mad:

[MADem]

103. They've WRITTEN the legislation, but that's too hard for those nitwits to GRASP.

Because they are STUPID and don't get how the system works.

Any CHANGES to the already drafted documents will come from the legislators who have not yet signed on--they're the ones who will demand changes and concessions before they hop aboard. The GOP, and the Blue Dogs--those are the ones who need to be pressured.

THOSE are the people to bug--not the ones trying to end the war.

These people are stupider than slugs, and about as useful as them. They are NOT helping.

[EFerrari]

145. And the changes will have to be negotiated with Nancy and Murtha

. We slugs do get it, actually.

[MADem]

151. No, you don't. You need to go after the people who want to make changes,

AND DISSUADE THEM.

[EFerrari]

162. I reserve the right to make that decision for myself.

The politicians can take care of politics, my job is to express my wishes to my representative. So, I will do that at Camp Pelosi this weekend and on Monday.

No offense, MADem.

[Moochy]

179. You know that's the core issue

for so many disagreements here, that is at the core: Arguing from different political perspectives and roles.

When posters critique political actions from an outside perspective... in other words from the vantage point of a politician instead of a citizen activist, or from the insider view of realpolitik advisor, like James Carville or whomever. It's easy to conflate and mash-up these varying perspectives, each with differing tactical and strategic considerations.

Oh yeah, and Go Code Pink!

[EFerrari]

188. We need to stick together -- even when we disagree on the small stuff.

MADem and I agree on much more than we disagree on the smaller things that irritate us. We go with that, imho.

:hug:

:grouphug:

Edit: Your point is very well taken, Moochy. That is the core issue in so many of our more energetic threads. :)

[MADem]

194. And you are free as a bird to preach to the choir.

But frankly, I think you'd be better off applying pressure to David Drier, or some of the Blue Dogs, or anyone at all whose heart needs changing. Anything else is a waste of time--that's my considered opinion.

Targeting people who already agree that the war should end makes the antiwar activist movement look a bit retarded in their ability to employ basic logic. It's like refusing to take YES for an answer, as Dave Obey said.

What do you want to tell Nancy? That she's not sufficiently antiwar? That she needs to pull a few more antiwar legislators out of her ass? That you'll stomp your foot if ... what? What more can the woman do?

And while your crowd bullies Nancy, Drier and others enjoy a game of golf, or scamper around hither and yon, completely unnoticed.

[Moochy]

196. You honestly see the protestors at Camp Pelosi as bullys??

That I find incredibly revealing.

Sounds like my world is all upside down today.

[EFerrari]

199. Condescension is not a great basis for dialog.

And I have a better shot at making an impression on Nancy as one of her constituents than I have at getting Drier out of his many closets.

So, no. I won't stomp my size 8 foot. I will go to protests and vigils and call and write letters and raise a ruckus so Nancy remembers who elected her and what her district wants.

You know, I don't work for Nancy. She works for me. That's the way this system is set up.

And if someone wants to dress up as a pink Statue of Liberty and to show up at a public hearing, that is their Constitutional right. I wouldn't do that but I defend their right to do that.

We could just dig up the playbook for the Hitler Youth -- if we are going to be bullied and homogenized into appropriate displays of unthinking loyalty.

As I recall, Nancy also backed an anti-choice candidate for DNC chair. Well, she got my feedback on that one, too. Her job is to make political calculations; mine is to keep putting our needs out there.

Am I supposed to support her even when she's clearly not representing me?

Not me, not ever. Thanks anyway.

[MADem]

205. You seriously think that the only way Nancy Pelosi will stay on the antiwar team

is if you hector her?

That's pretty stunning. A woman who has been consistently antiwar through the years, but now she needs minding??? And you're suggesting that I am somehow being 'condescending' by noting that?

While others in the California delegation get fat and greasy off of war profits...OK....

I'm not talking about abrogating people's rights, and it's pretty shitty of you to parse it down and suggest that--you normally argue your points from a more rational perspective.

Yes, in case you don't take my point--these idiots who are disrupting the Plame hearing, who are bullying Obey, Pelosi and so forth have EVERY RIGHT to act like idiots, disruptors, and assholes. And I have EVERY RIGHT to call them on it.

So who's the Hitler Youth Director here, really? How DARE I make MY opinion known? Sit down, shut up, and join these antiwar nitwits who are attacking the wrong target...OR ELSE? How very progressive....NOT.

Thanks anyway, indeed.

[EFerrari]

223. Okay. n/t

[countryjake]

245. Nominated best post in this thread!

Brava!

[Moochy]

246. Second that Nomination.. for Best Post of Thread !

:toast:

[Common Sense Party]

249. I thought condescension was the ONLY basis for dialog on DU.

It seems like someone's always being a condescending pr**k to someone else.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

11. Well, in retrospect, she didn't look any worse than Victoria.

I still think he/she was a freeper plant out to make the lefties look stupid.

[proud2BlibKansan]

87. No freeper; she's a friend of mine

and she is definitely a Code Pinker.

[spanone]

13. Toensing looked much more manly than the pink lady.

What a vile disgusting excuse for a 'woman' she is.

[Cerridwen]

14. Have we confirmed she is actually part of Code Pink?

Not that she couldn't have been, but when something like this backfires, I want to know the facts; not whatever it is that passes for facts from the corporate media. Especially if they're using it as an opportunity to obfuscate an important issue.

Yeah, I have trust issues. *snort*

[spanone]

15. here ya go.

We have Jeanie Moos of CNN making fun of the whole situation.

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/moos/2007/03/17/moos.protestor.antics.cnn

[Cerridwen]

17. Cool, thanks.

I'll go watch. :D

[Eric J in MN]

26. Thanks for the link. NT

NT

[karlrschneider]

134. And that 'report' illustrates perfectly how idiotic this person is.

Her clowning around got more notice than the serious testimony by Mrs. Wilson. Wotta fuckin' moran.

[liberalnurse]

18. someone needs to get ahold of

Media Benjamin....this needs cleared up. If this was a fake-code pink...then, Code Pink needs provide a disclaimer.

[Cerridwen]

19. Tricky, that.

Disclaim her for "disrupting"? Or disclaim her because someone is uncomfortable with her having once been a man? Guess which way it will be spun? *sigh*

The little bit of video I've been able to get to play, seems to show she is a member of Code Pink.

[rman]

20. disclaimer for impersonating Code Pink

If that's what she did

[Cerridwen]

21. Yeah, but she is a member.

Any disclaimer at this point looks bad. This is how Code Pink operates. They show up and make their presence known.

[liberalnurse]

54. I won't send them any more money.

If they are so reckless...then I'll put my hard earned funds to better sources.:mad:

[Cerridwen]

62. I keep wondering why...

Did whomever, think about the potential outcome of this kind of a protest? In this day and age in which we can't trust our media to stay on point, why didn't someone think of the "diversion factor?" Yet another bright-shiny object for the corp. media to follow. Guerrilla tactics are extremely effective when used to be effective rather than just "cuz I can". I'm not sure what someone was thinking in this instance. Or if there was any thinking involved.

[proud2BlibKansan]

89. I will double my donation then

I was just getting ready to send Midge a check. She is surviving on donations while she lobbies in DC.

[SlowDownFast]

174. Doubt it. Just another snarkism.

"while she lobbies"?

Try obfuscates.

[ellisonz]

257. I recommend Democracy for America.

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/

The best bang for you buck in America.

[liberalnurse]

24. Thats what I was

referring. :hi:

[MADem]

36. She is a member, and she (was she he then) ran for congress as a REPUBLICAN.

Good grief.

Gotta wonder what is up with that bunch.

[SlowDownFast]

66. "Gotta wonder what is up with that bunch."

Off their meds, apparently.

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. Yes, she ran against Roy Blunt and forced him to spend several million dollars

First opponent he has had in years. It's a neat story. They even made a documentary about her campaign. We are showing it here in Kansas City as a premier and a fund raiser for our peace movement. I'll be sure and send you an invitation:)

[WolverineDG]

16. I thought I recognized her

I met her at the Peace March in January. I think Proud2beLib knows her. I think her decision to live life as a woman should be respected & not the subject of snide comments & remarks.

dg

[liberalnurse]

22. For me....his/her sexuality is not significant.....

but the narcissistic clowning around during a most precious and serious event., that is my outrage. Lives have suffered enormous sacrifice to have this Hearing. :spank:

He/she mocked the Wilson's and the Hearing just as does *bush-cheny and the White House Mobsters. All my work and yours was discounted by the clowning. It's so easy for the MSM to avoid the real issues. Giving them a joke made their escape from responsibility so very easy....

[POAS]

25. I'm with you

Code Pink needs to pick theri battle grounds more carefully before they start to get associated with the likes of Westboro Baptist Church and Fred Phelps.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

30. Just an FYI, sexuality is not the same as gender identity and SHE should be referred to as "her."

Not his/her.

[goodhue]

48. amen

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. She refers to herself as a woman

and I respect her wishes.

[Moochy]

187. his/her is gender neutral construction

and a clumsy one at that. When writing, I prefer the generic she, just to screw with, and bring awareness to people's gender biases.

[MADem]

37. Which makes you wonder who's paying these people? Has the group been hijacked? NT

[MnFats]

52. exactly. this did far more harm than good...

...it's Code Pink that gets the airtime....not the war issue.
...the media carries this story: look at the whackos that turn up for a hearing (THEIR interpretation) and waste ink and airtime on it when they should devote their coverage to the real story....the lies, the war, the lives lost and ruined.

[kiahzero]

56. If her sexuality isn't important, give her the respect of calling her "her."

This "he/she" business is rather insulting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. Thanks for the nice words dg!

Midge is awesome and inspiring. I am so proud to call her my friend today. I tried to call her but I think her cell ran out of minutes. She lives on nothing and has only a pre-paid cell phone. She has been in DC since before Christmas. She spent the night at my house the night before her plane left. I am sure she had no idea she would be in DC this long.

When this war finally ends, we will have people like Midge to thank.

[WolverineDG]

213. Not a problem, lib!

I've got your back. I've got the back of anyone who's actually DONE something besides being an armchair quarterback for the anti-war movement.

dg

[tandot]

28. CNN video: "Ex-Sailor in pink steals Plame Wilson show"

I just watched that.

It was the wrong place and utterly disrespectful to Plame. Seeing the CNN headline "Ex-Sailor in pink steals Plame Wilson show" really made me cringe.

Clowning around like an idiot at a serious hearing held by the Democrats (remember: OUR allies) and than saying she is protesting because "war is a serious matter" just took the cake.

[bluedog]

35. some media are saying even Plame did a double take on this protester

so.......what did this accomplish?
........the media is focusing on the "lady in pink" and not covering the lies by the GOP on her outing!

[tandot]

42. Have they even thought about who their target audience should be?

What is their strategy? Liberals are already on their side and don't need convincing. If they want to convince "regular" folks to oppose this war, clowning around like idiots and disrupting a serious hearing is definitely not a way to reach them.

The media will make sure that the Democrats who work hard to stop the war will be associated with some extremists of the "loony left" - it might turn some of the people we are trying to reach totally off.

[uppityperson]

122. some media say the occupation of Iraq is justified. eom

[SlowDownFast]

32. And some folks here

were defending her/his actions yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x429372

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x424536

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x425802

It amazes me and pisses me off at the same time how some (idiot?) liberals have no idea of how PR or politics work. Those defending this Code Pink? (was the person even officially affiliated?) 'action' did so at the reasoning that EVERYWHERE is game for protest, no place is sacred AND that those who were pissed about this persons obvious, purposeful, selfish placement behind Valerie on VALERIE'S DAY (standing up each time Valerie spoke, so as to get in view of the camera - and sometimes making faces/gestures), were only pissed about the pink fashion statement.

No fucking respect.

Obey was right.

[MADem]

41. I agree with you completely. I've been ripped to shreds by some of these

ineffectual blowhards who just don't fucking get it. They think it's all about their foolish protest theater, not about people who have been screwed by BushCo, like Ms. Plame, or legislators working their asses off to stop the war.

No fucking respect, indeed. Bunch of LOSERS. They aren't helping, either.

[tandot]

Yes, I've seen these threads .

They have no strategy and no sense of what they are doing to the serious efforts to end the war.

"Any media exposure is better than none" might work in show business. However, when it comes to politics and your goal is to get the average joe on your side, behaving like complete idiots is totally counter-productive.

[proud2BlibKansan]

95. So now I am an ineffectual blowhard

Cool. I will add that to my resume.

BTW, what are your plans this weekend? Surely you are planning on putting your money where your mouth is and participating in a rally to end the war?

[uppityperson]

124. Me too. Good club to be in.

[proud2BlibKansan]

139. They are circling those wagons and shooting inward

But I am no longer in the center. I am sure you aren't either. LOL

[SlowDownFast]

131. LaDeDa.

As usual.

:eyes:

Methinks ineffectual blowhard.

edit to add: Not just ineffectual, but leaning towards counterproductive.

[MADem]

164. Leaning way over, I'd say!

Ya gotta wonder if these protesters are leaning to the right, and on purpose? I just can't believe anyone would be that stupid. It boggles the mind. They HAVE to know how this nonsense is received by the average, antiwar American.

That kind of shit happened in the Vietnam era, too. You'd be engaged in peaceful protest, and a couple of agitators would try to incite violence, kind of like those anarchist idiots tried to do at the last DC march, but to better effect--they'd look the part, blend in totally, and not be obvious like those clowns dressed in black. Turns out they were on the payroll of J. Edgar Hoover, lots of them. http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=M4uvwy_C3egC&oi=fnd&pg=PA7&sig=dRKSqNCLCVtmP4lDzqMCvpwIFsQ&dq=%22Glick%22+%22War+at+Home:+Covert+Action+Against+US+Activists+and+What+...%22+

But that kind of stuff could NEVER happen now....or could it??? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/20/9408/0642

Counterterrorism agents at the Federal Bureau of Investigation have conducted numerous surveillance and intelligence-gathering operations that involved, at least indirectly, groups active in causes as diverse as the environment, animal cruelty and poverty relief, newly disclosed agency records show.

[SlowDownFast]

182. "It boggles the mind."

Notsomuch.

Logically, they are either payed instigators, or freely stupid.

Take your pick.

[MADem]

154. Ahhh, the keyboard queen lectures others about what they're doing!!!

And what she thinks they SHOULD be doing.

Really want to know? There's a foot of snow outside my door. I'll be shovelling it eventually.

And you? I imagine, if the rest of the weekend continues apace, you'll spend your time hectoring people in snarky fashion who don't agree with you, or those idiots in pink who spend their time pestering antiwar Democrats.

[WolverineDG]

206. Can I be in the "Loser Club" with you, lib??

:hi: My hat is off to Code Pink. Those ladies are hard core. Don't ever let those bastards & their enablers forget who pays for their lies & mistakes!

dg

[proud2BlibKansan]

218. Consider yourself in

I think Midge should be our honorary president. And I say she gets to wear whatever she wants!

[burythehatchet]

233. Sometimes I miss an entire story.

so I check a thread and see who is on what side of an issue....

GO LADY...GO AND KEEP DOING WHATEVER YOU DID....WHERE DO I SEND YOU MONEY?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

33. When I saw him, I didn't think he became a woman but dressed as one in support of Code Pink. nt

[LibDemAlways]

38. That person gave CNN an excuse to focus on

something other than Plame's testimony. I have no idea what her motivation was, but she made an ass out of herself with the attention-seeking mugging for the camera. This was serious business. After almost four years, Plame was finally testifying in front of a Congressional committee about nothing less than treason, and some idiot is acting goofy in the background as a distraction. I'm with those here who are pissed off.

[Cameron27]

55. I'm with you,

Valerie Plame was finally giving her testimony before a world audience, and this woman attempted to steal the "limelight." At one point, Plame was delivering a very moving statement, and this woman in pink was in focus in the same frame, standing over her right shoulder.

When you couldn't actually see her, the damned pink tiara appeared to float above the man sitting in front of her, again in the same camera shot with Plame giving testimony. It was a comical distraction, as was her getting up and sitting down, leaning over, and whatever the hell else she was doing back there. It didn't help anyone, certainly not Code Pink.

[antonialee839]

152. Add me to the list of pissed off.

I wouldn't have been nearly as pissed if she would have made a quick appearance on TV and then
moved out of camera range, but noooooo, we had to see her pulling a bunch of stupid shit during all
of Valerie's testimony.

[goodhue]

40. Her name is Midge Potts, and she is a very active member of Code Pink

I'm not sure why its relevant that she used to be named Mitch. Remember the T in GLBT human rights.

[MADem]

43. She's active, all right. Actively making an ass of herself and making the coverage all about her.

Heckuva job, Midge!

Fucking idiot.

[goodhue]

44. Midge ran against Roy Blount in the 2006 republican primary

Here is her bio from pottsforcongress.com . . .

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:19EGefRzEa8J:pottsforcongress.com/index.php%3Fmodule%3Dpagemaster%26PAGE_user_op%3Dview_page%26PAGE_id%3D8%26MMN_position%3D14:14+%22midge+potts%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

About Midge Potts
Midge was born in Gainesville Missouri in 1969. Named "Mitchell" at birth, she has been transitioning to become a woman for nearly 3 years and has had her name legally changed to "Midgelle Regina". A 1987 graduate of Kickapoo High School, Midge attended SMSU before having served in the U.S. Navy deployed in 1991 to the Persian Gulf on the USS Yosemite. After an honorable discharge in 1993, Midge a became a freelance writer working for publications including the Washington Peace Letter and the Tacenda Literary Journal.

Baptized of her own free will at the age of 14, Midge relies on her Christian values as most succinctly described in the teachings of the Gospel to guide her through life, and is especially inspired by the words of Jesus Christ regarding God's grace, love, and forgiveness.

[goodhue]

46. She is also folk musician Maioan Person . . .

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=5002

[lazer47]

49. If she/he is all of those things

and supports Code PINK SO MUCH WHY THEN DOES SHE PICK EACH AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE DEMOCRAT AGENDA LOOK FOOLISH?????

[goodhue]

51. Stop with the he/she already.

It reflects a lack of understanding of transgender identity and is disrespectful. Also, not clear to me that she is a democrat. She ran as republican in 2006 and plans to run as a progressive in 2008. Maybe she thinks the democratic agenda is foolish. I have no idea. But folks here on DU are making a mountain of a molehill.

[liberalnurse]

57. Okay, I have a lack of understanding.

I'll live with it....Midge really has not earned my respect...Far from it. Just another narcissistic trans-gender as far as I'm concerned. No other mission than selfish attention seeking. One who took advantage of a real hero's time to garner the nations respect...which she has earned with her family and her soul.

Midge or what ever he/she calls oneself....is worthless.

[goodhue]

60. I'm not impressed with her actions at hearing either

But I fail to understand what her transgender status has to do with it.

[liberalnurse]

65. It has nothing to do with it.

Nothing at all.....I do sense that Midge knows that her appearance does turn heads.....gets attention. It was the wrong time to exercise that gift....Midge has cause harm....

[proud2BlibKansan]

100. So trans-gendered folks are narcissistic?

[Bluebear]

242. "another narcissistic trans-gender"

I don't understand, do the transgendered tend to be narcissistic in your world?

[Midlodemocrat]

251. Too bad no one was there with a taser. THAT would have showed that

narcisstic psycho.

:eyes:

[NMMNG]

252. Another narcissistic transgender

Do you know other narcissistic transgenders? Is it an epidemic in your area? :shrug:

[Duncan Grant]

264. Just another narcissistic trans-gender?!

How much 301.83 are you bringing to the table today? Damn, I haven't seen a transgendered person so dehumanized ("what ever he/she calls oneself...is worthless") in a very long time. Isn't the "liberal" in your username a bit misleading? :puke:

[Bluebear]

265. What a revolting display that was.

Liberal my ass.

[RayOfHope]

63. I'm from Missouri and got her emails in 2006. From what I gather

she was on the republican ticket for the primaries simply to oust Roy Blunt. I'm guessing she didn't run as a dem because that district is extremely red. I don't understand it really, but she is no repub.

[proud2BlibKansan]

97. She is not working to promote the Democrat agenda

It's about ending the war. Period.

[ellisonz]

258. So basically he's a gadfly?

:nopity:

[MADem]

50. Why doesn't she protest at HIS office, then! Instead of screwing up the Plame hearings,

that we'd been waiting for for lo, these many years?

"Midge" is on my shitlist, frankly. Along with those Assholes of Logic.

[goodhue]

53. I wish she hadn't been there

But don't see the point of bashing her identity

[MADem]

58. Who the FUCK is bashing her identity?

I'm bashing her because she's an ASSHOLE, not because she went to a (lousy or otherwise) surgeon or is pre-operative, or is wanting to live her own life in her own way without an operation, or what-have-you.

She's a selfish shithead. Regardless of her """"identity""""---I mean really, that's an excuse???? It's a lousy one.

Sheesh.

[kiahzero]

59. None of those details are relevant.

It was a horrible strategic decision and by no means should be condoned, but you're not only attacking her strategic decision to go to the hearing as she did. You're attacking her looks and her gender identity.

[MADem]

78. BULLSHIT. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

The only remark I made about her LOOKS was to ask if she really was a woman (a fair question, given her manly appearance--she looks to be a sailor camping it up at a crossing the line ceremony, not someone who seems serious about changing gender, frankly), and note that she got ripped off by her surgeon if that was the case. One comment, and anyone with fucking EYES in their head would agree that a woman who looks like a linebacker with a five o'clock shadow isn't going to be mistaken for Rita Hayworth, or even the librarian down the lane.

The question WAS legitimate. She LOOKS like a man in woman's clothes. But OOOOOOOOOH, the oh-so-PC here expect everyone to know the difference, magically, to not believe their own lying eyes, else they will get called out for asking a reasonable question.

Midge might want to SHAVE before she goes out if she doesn't want to attract those sorts of comments in future.

Where, pray tell, do I attack her "identity?" YOu seem to be suggesting that BECAUSE she has an "identity" aspect going on, that we should give the stupid shithead a pass.

Sorry, you can be transgendered and still be an asshole. And Miss Midge proves the point. Five o'clock shadow and home-made tiara, and all. She's a JERK.

[kiahzero]

83. You seem to be letting your rage interfere with your reading.

It was a horrible strategic decision and by no means should be condoned

Call her an idiot rather than attacking her physical appearance, maybe?

[MADem]

91. No, there's nothing wrong with my comprehension.

I love the way "some people" can go after someone who said NOTHING about "identity" and lay it on their doorstep, as though it's MY fault that other people make remarks. Direct your ire at those people, not at me. My points remain:

1. The person does look like a guy in a costume. Not a woman, not a transgendered woman. Like a guy, dressed up as a woman. Badly.

2. The person is an asshole to disrupt the Valerie Plame hearing.

3. The person, with the whacky costumes and stupid pronouncements, HURTS the antiwar cause. So do all of her cohorts who are pestering Obey and the other antiwar legislators.

4. I find it hard to believe that these people are that STUPID. If they are not stupid, then they must have another agenda. Could they be working for the other team?? Now THAT is a legitimate question.

Anything that gets in the way of ending this war DOES piss me off. These people are doing just that with their stupid bullshit.

[uppityperson]

126. Oh. My. God. I cannot believe I am reading this here.

She is not feminine enough apperaing for you? You load this post of insinuations, accusations, personal attack. Wow. Speaking of jerks.

[MADem]

141. OK, pardon my LYING EYES. She has a five o'clock SHADOW.

I honestly thought she was a GUY DRESSED UP as a woman. That is HOW she APPEARED to me. I thought she was a guy dressed up to make a political point.

Excuse the FUCK out of me. How DARE I """"""""admit""""""" what I actually THOUGHT.

Crime of the century, for not being politically correct enough to say that nekkid Emperor over there is dressed in ROBES of GOOOOOOLD.......

[goodhue]

61. CNN, and many of the posters on this thread and others

[MADem]

82. And why direct your ire at ME?

Address the issue where it lies.

See, that's what these Code PINK shitheads are doing. Going after the wrong target. It seems to be ingrained, that.

[goodhue]

92. What ire?

[High Plains]

77. Speaking of assholes...

I see an awful lot of outraged name calling, MADem. Don't you have anything better to do? Like pick on a Republican?

[MADem]

86. Speaking of ASSHOLES, that sounds like JUST the sort of thing CODE PINK should do.

Here's what I think--people who pick on DEMOCRATS could very well BE REPUBLICANS.

So, "High" Plains, where does that leave these protesting nitwits who go after 'right wingers' like Obey, Pelosi, and Murtha???

Give me a fucking break. Sorry, I'll stick with the legislators trying to end the war, and Valerie Plame Wilson, not your halfassed disrupting "heroes"--and if it comes to pass that they're getting the money to keep them up on the Hill from the RNC, all I can say is I would not be at all surprised.

[lazer47]

116. Hey MADem

Don't let some of these folk get to you, they have no Idea of the danger that they have allowed themslves to become wrapped up in to defend an obvious shithead,,,, if you put a skirt on GWB they would begin to think anything he did was OK as long as you didn't insult his gender, or his make-up

[Beelzebud]

88. Funny you bring that up. Does Code Pink have any Republicans they can pester?

Or do they only "protest" while people like Valerie Plame FINALLY get their day to speak?

[proud2BlibKansan]

220. Obviously not

[Beelzebud]

67. Just because she's transgendered doesn't give her a free ride...

Dress in a stupid costume, and try to hog the camera, while Plame is testifying under oath, and you're going to be called on it.

I don't care how she identifies with herself. I identify her as an asshole jackass that is actually HARMING the cause she's trying to help.

[proud2BlibKansan]

102. for the umpteenth time,

yes, she has protested at many republican offices in DC. So has Tina Richards. So has Cindy Sheehan. And so has Code Pink.

[MADem]

157. Post the VIDEO then. Oh, gee, there isn't any. Surprise, surprise.

Not even a still picture from a five dollar camera.

Yet there's acres of footage of these nitwits going after Dave Obey and ruining the Plame testimony.

Heckuvajob. Rove is probably overjoyed at the effort. If I were him, I would be, too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

158. And I am sure he is getting a kick out of you as well

[MADem]

166. There you go again, with the personal insults.

You just called ME an ally of Rove. Way to debate the issues...NOT.

See, I didn't do that to YOU. I can say what I like about the Code Pink clowns...that's not a PERSONAL insult.

You might want to read those rules again there, why doncha?

You apparently didn't comprehend them the first time around.

[proud2BlibKansan]

170. You can't read.

I said he is probably enjoying what you are posting here. That's not calling you an ally.

You know that website that can't be named here? Your posts are prominently displayed there today. Way to go.

Big tent indeed.

[MADem]

209. Yes it is. That's called INFERRING. And you apparently make a living out of doing it.

If my posts are up at that website, are you putting them there? Why would you do that?

How would you even KNOW that, unless you visited that website? And why? To put the posts there?

I'm not gonna go there to check--I don't read that crap.

But you seem to be digging yourself a BIG ASS HOLE, here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

214. I check that site quite frequently

I like to know what the enemy is thinking :)

[B2G]

64. And I have a different question

One I haven't seen asked in this thread.

Why the hell didn't Waxman kick her out?!? Couldn't he see what this was doing to the proceedings?

[Cameron27]

68. Probably would've been a bigger distraction than just leaving her there.

[B2G]

69. I can't see how. n/t

.

[Cameron27]

70. She was caught up in her own self-importance

just getting up and down behind Plame. I can easily see her making a major spectacle out of being removed. I think she was asked to leave after Plame's testimony was finished. She wasn't there for Toejam.

[B2G]

73. I would have preferred

the spectacle of her removal to the spectacle I saw.

[MADem]

261. You have to ask yourself

Seeing as she did her 'job' so well: Is the check in the mail? That certainly was a 'heckuvajob' wasn't it?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. Man, Woman, Doesn't Matter. Still Just An Idiot. LOL

[bluedog]

74. the word is "undignified"

I think this is what people are meaning to say.......protests are fine..but we have waited along time for this.....and the protester just had to be behind Plame........and get on tv...........

[proud2BlibKansan]

75. Yes

Her name is Midge Potts. She is a friend of mine. I met her at Camp Casey. Midge is from Springfield, MO and she rocks!!

[cali]

84. Friend of yours but no

friend of the Peace Movemement with her little stunt of yesterday. Thanks for nothing, Midge.

[proud2BlibKansan]

105. Yes she is a good friend of the peace movement

You must not be in the movement or you would know that. Midge is very good friends with Cindy Sheehan and Ann Wright. You do know who they are?

[cali]

130. You know the saying; with friends like

these, who needs enemies? And sorry, I don't particularly admire Cindy Sheehan lately either- though I certainly am grateful to her for her early work against the war. And yes, I've been involved in peace issues for a long time. I've been to DC three times in the last few years and to many, many local protests. And no I'm not attending a demonstration today. Though I planned to go to our state capitol, we got hit by 18 inches of snow last night, and I can't get anywhere. Oh yeah, I think Code Pink is fine in general, but largely irrelevant, and I don't much care for ANSWER. I'm much more comfortable with United for Peace and Justice.

Hate to break this to you, but you don't have be aligned with or strongly endorse ANSWER, Code Pink, your friend Marge, etc., to be a peace activist.

[proud2BlibKansan]

138. Oh I know that

I am not a member of Code Pink (but I admire and support their work) or ANSWER. I am just tired of this circling the wagons behavior I see more and more on DU. I am wondering how committed progressives are to ending the war.

UPJ joins with Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan's groups (she has several) for protests all over the country. It is more of an umbrella organization for the entire peace movement.

That's a drag about your snow. I'm sure we'll get hit here with at least one more storm before spring finally kicks in.

Peace and stay warm! :hi:

[MADem]

216. You're NOT a member of Code Pink. OR ANSWER. OK. NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

222. No I can only belong to so many organizations

We didn't have a Code Pink chapter here until just recently. And there is no ANSWER group here. So I am on the board of our local peace group, I participate actively on a task force that organizes rallies, I am the political chair for 2 different DFA groups, I am a state delegate for the Dem party and a member of its progressive caucus, I participate in moveon events and I am part of an AL Gore meetup group. Plus I work full time. Not a lot of room left to join anything else.

And you?

[MADem]

235. Wow, how DO you find the time to post here so much? NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

247. What is this, a job interview?

[MADem]

250. You're the one posting your curriculum vitae. NT

[ReverendDeuce]

80. I thought she looked hot, personally...

I am quite hetero, but I must say: former-man or not, she looked hot!

Oh, and Plame is a hottie as well.

[annm4peace]

98. What is wrong with you PEOPLE??????

Many of us see ourselves as American's first.. That is what Code Pink is.. Americans.
It isn't a group that ask you if you are Republican, or Dem, or Green, or anything else.

It is a group of People.. mostly Women, some Men.. and some who don't want to define themselves.
But is all about holding the criminals accountable and bring the troops home, and stop the killing of innocent lives. They are doing more then sitting on the asses writing on a website like we are.

If we had real news we wouldn't have to use theatrics. Many of us don't enjoy going out in our shirts with "impeach Bush/cheney" "STop the Funding, Stop the War". I don't like attention given to me but DAMN.. we have to do something to wake people up. I write my congress person and get generic letters back. I call their office and the receptionist always says' "thank you I'll let the Senator know".. and of course you don't they are just giving lip service.
I go to my congress person's office and never get to meet with anyone.... so you are fooling yourself to think that these people who posistion themselves behind the camera are just doing it for attention.. they have already spent much time doing the same thing I have.. The are tryign to wake the public up.. and one way tto reach people is to wear outrageous outfits.

so what if it is a Transgender.. are you saying they are suppose to hide themselves. How do you know they haven't have a loved one killed on Iraq. Shame on you for not supporting Code Pink people. They have spent the money, time, passion, and soul to try to make a change. Maybe if more people did we wouldn't be doing this for the 4th freakin year.

We need more support and tolerance for differences and less hate and division.

[proud2BlibKansan]

106. Thank you!

Wish I could nominate your post!!

:yourock:

[goodhue]

108. Best post of the thread!

See you on the streets of Minneapolis tomorrow. I'll be wearing a pink button (as will many others).

[ReverendDeuce]

111. Don't be so dense!

"Shame on you for not supporting Code Pink people."

Say what? All I said was the "transgender" gal is hot, and that becomes "you don't support our cause"? Wow. That's really incredible! :crazy:

Both Val and the Code Pink girl are cute -- is that so wrong to say?

[Cameron27]

117. The poster actually wrote this

"so what if it is a Transgender" and thinks it helps the situation. It, is a she.

[ReverendDeuce]

121. LOL... true that...

Now, not that I am an expert on all things transgender, but I believe that Ms. Potts would prefer to be referred to in the feminine. Notice I've referred to her as "she" the whole time, as opposed to an "it"... Good grief! DU should be the Drama Underground.

[diamidue]

125. There was a young man holding an impeachment

sign in the audience also. I had no problem with him. But the fool in the pink tiara was a huge embarrassment and a distraction to the proceedings. The other side has the power, the courts, the press and the military. We counter that by dressing up in costumes?

[uppityperson]

128. Thank you. very good. thank you.

[MADem]

140. If you don't enjoy going out in your stupid shirts, why do it?

Put on a suit and go sit in Trent Lott's office. Or put on a chador and go sit in Roy Blount's office.

Ghandi and Martin Luther King managed to do it with DIGNITY. And no one wanted to talk to them, either.

Why do you find the concept so hard?

Pester the people that want to keep the war going. Do it by sitting in front of their office. Use your fucking guerrilla camera operators to film your bunch asking THEM questions.

You and your idiotic 'group' will get no support from me (and personally, I don't give a shit if you all identify yourselves as fucking Martians) until you learn how to AIM.

Aim your ire at the PRO-WAR legislators. Then, I'll support your cause. Until then, I place you in the "Publicity Seeking CRANKS" category.

[libnnc]

207. Yeah. Alice Paul and her group were just attention whores!

Good grief...

[MADem]

225. What a lame comparison. Alice Paul didn't steal the limelight from Valerie Plame, did she?

She made her protests ON HER OWN TERMS. She didn't hijack issues from others to tout her own.

But go ahead and make comparisons that don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. There's a lot of that happening up in here.

Oh, and Alice Paul had better costumes. To say nothing of props.

And oh, she had supporters...supporters who gathered around her, and gave her strength in numbers. Who marched with her in great crowds, who chanted with her, who stood by her side.

And Alice Paul made the point of her protests quite clear.

Oh, and she AIMED her protests at people who OPPOSED suffrage, not those who supported it.

But other than that, some idiotic asshole hogging Valerie Plame's camera is """"EXACTLY"""" like Alice Pauls!

:rofl:

Ya gotta do better than that--you're letting down the side with that sort of pathetic comparison. Lotta drama, but little else, frankly.

[libnnc]

227. I'm trying to make a point about political theater

You've criticized the practice. I think it can be effective. I guess we disagree.

I've made my point.

Now I can get back to my graduate school studies. Lots due this term.

Blame the media, not the protesters.

The network anchor models and their adolescent, uneducated producers are the ones who have the attention span of a 3 year old.

[MADem]

232. I criticize LAME political theater. I criticize poltiical theater that can't make an event out of

their own protest, but instead have to STEAL the limelight from others, like this lousy Code Pink shit. How you can compare the Paul protests to this shit is beyond me. They aren't the same. One is well done and met with success, the other is providing fodder for the OTHER TEAM.

You have NOT made your point. You've made MY point.

And as for blaming the media, come on--the media IS what it is. It's not a secret what they cover. That's a cop out. These Pink assholes had no trouble hijacking the media with their OBEY stunt, did they? And they managed to fuck up THE MOST IMPORTANT TESTIMONY that a House committee has heard in seven whole years. Heckuvajob, that.

Where's the footage of the Boehner confrontation? Oh, there ISN'T any. How about the DRIER confrontation? Oh, none of that, either.

Of course there isn't. These blowhards spend all their time disrupting DEMOCRATIC EVENTS. At every opportunity.

So DO forgive me if I don't support them. Because people who shit on Democratic events are people I usually identify with the REPUBLICAN Party.

[libnnc]

234. I tried. Goodbye.

[RestoreGore]

263. Alice Paul never dressed like she was going to a Halloween party

And she actually ACCOMPLISHED something of substance instead of making a spectacle of herself.

[scarletwoman]

237. Not at all an analogous situation. Alice Paul wasn't disrupting the efforts of putative allies.

No matter whether you are a partisan Dem, or a progressive, or an independent; isn't the bush junta our common enemy? And when our common enemy is under fire and their perfidy is being exposed; shouldn't you support that?

If you want to end the war, and/or impeach bush/cheney; is it not just plain tactical good sense to NOT impede or disrupt or distract from the efforts of others who are already in the process of firing on the enemy?

That protestor clowning around at the Plame hearing was worse than useless. We've waited years for Ms. Plame to be able to speak out, we've waited years for the truth about her outing to be exposed -- this was finally ONE small victory to be had in the course of a long battle.

And some idiot thinks that what Ms. Plame has to say isn't important enough in itself in the long battle against the bush junta, and takes it upon herself to cause a useless distraction. How very UNhelpful.

If that protestor wants attention so badly, then SHE should ride a horse down the Washington mall in her pink tiara instead of fucking with people who are already working hard at bringing down our common enemy.

sw

[libnnc]

238. But here's the thing

This is an old, old argument that has been played out so many times in so many progressive movements. It's an argument between those who want to take the buttoned down path to their goals (trying to head the media off at the pass--IMHO that can't be done) versus those who don't.

People are frustrated and out of that frustration comes "off the wall" protest. I was not distracted at all by Code Pink. I was riveted by Plame's testimony (and Waxman's coolness in catching Victoria Toesing in several lies).

The media are the ones copping out by making a big deal out of this one person who was with Code Pink.

[scarletwoman]

241. No, that's not the argument at all.

This isn't an argument about "button-down" vs. letting your freak flag fly. I have no problem with colorful protest and guerilla theatre, I think it's great.

What I'm saying is that in THIS case, under THESE circumstances, the pink tiara bit was a really terribly stupid tactic.

"The media are the ones copping out by making a big deal out of this one person who was with Code Pink."

Well, DUH. That's what the media DOES! Hasn't everyone figured that out by now? Isn't that something that any smart protestor ought to know enough to take into account?

I guess if you DON'T think that Valarie Plame's testimony was important, then sure, go ahead and get the media attention on YOU, instead of on Plame. Because that's what you've guaranteed will happen, because that's what the media does.

I'm all for people calling attention to their cause -- just not at the expense of something ELSE that is fundamentally working toward the same goals.

sw

[MADem]

244. That's NAIVE, though. We already know how the media will cover this

They're stupid. They can only keep one thing in their head. It's EITHER Anna Nicole, or Britney. It's either Valerie, or the idiot in pink.

So anyone who truly, thoughtfullly supports a progressive agenda isn't going to shit on Valerie Plame's testimony, IF they have a brain in their heads. If they don't have a brain, or if they deliberately want to disrupt and diffuse the coverage of the testimony, to make it less important, then that's a clever thing to do--to make sure that no one talks about Valerie, and instead talks about this person in pink bobbing around in the background like an idiot assclown.

How hard is it to come up with a unique idea to get media coverage?? And not STEAL from another critical cause???

The issue is not 'button down' versus 'off the wall' really. It's stealing from a fellow progressive. Stealing is WRONG, IMO. The Code Pink bozos can't seem to do ANYTHING right lately, which makes me wonder if they haven't been infiltrated by the right--these missteps can't ALL be down to sheer stupidity. No one could possibly be that dumb!!! They not only target the wrong people, they steal coverage of other progressive issues. My great grandmother used to call that kind of behavior "A pig at the dance."

I'm sure if they put their heads together they could come up with protests that don't steal from other progressives, or tromp on their issues.

How about a bunch of Code Pinkers with RUGS on their heads saying "OUT OF IRAQ" on them in front of Trent Lott's offices (real carpets, not toupees)?

How about a bunch of Code Pinkers dressed up as WASHERS and DRYERS with STOP THE WHITEWASH and HOLD DRIER ACCOUNTABLE protesting in front of David Drier's offices?

Why not do a sit-in and sing-along in some of the GOP offices? Why not find out when and where the GOP legislators are giving press conferences, and disrupt THOSE?

How tough is it, really, to do that sort of thing? How tough is it to target those who proudly support the continuation of the war? How hard is it to REMIND the constituents of these prowar asswipes just what side of the fence their legislators are sitting on?

It's apparently TOO HARD for these people.

[MADem]

239. Right on point.

Precisely. Well said.

[karlrschneider]

146. What have they accomplished? The Iraq clusterfuck will be 4 years

on Monday. This nutball Midge or Mitch or whatever it is, just managed to alienate a bunch of people who just might have begun to see our side. Hell, if you open your eyes you can see it pissed off a bunch of DEMOCRATS.
Like somebody said, with friends like that who the hell needs enemies?
:grr:
:mad:

[goodhue]

99. They both looked very glamorous

[ReverendDeuce]

112. You'd think I personally insulted her judging by others' responses...

The Code Pinkers don't seem to take compliments very well...

[goodhue]

120. I don't think annm4peace's post was directed at your post

Just ended up there because at the time it was the bottom of the thread.

FWIW, I took your post as good natured.

[Catherine Vincent]

101. The protestor should have picked a better avenue to protest, imo.

This is another setting that wouldn't work:



I started to hold up my sign behind this guy that reads: "Patrick Fitzgerald I want to have your baby!" But I decided otherwise, because I thought it would take away from the seriousness of the situation. And I'm glad I decided not to because I would have upset a lot of DUers. ;)

[LSK]

144. You know what I get out of this whole side-story???

CNN is doing its best job to become FOXNEWS-lite.

[MADem]

167. Naaah...it was Jeannie Moos...she does "color stories" about oddballs.

That wasn't full-frontal coverage. That was a sideshow tale.

[cgrindley]

148. It hardly matters, he or she did nothing but hurt our cause

What a damn dumb thing to do. Go ahead, make it easier for the assholes to dismiss the entire thing as a meaningless circus.

[Moochy]

189. You got it. Where is the damage?

Where is this damage and fallout that some seem some "concerned" about?

Circle the wagons Ma, There's a heap of Concern about how we look in the media!

[MADem]

208. Just look at the tape of Valerie's testimony. That asshole turned her SERIOUS testimony, her

IMPORTANT testimony, into a goddamned CIRCUS. That's the damage. Valerie Plame is now associated with an idiot in a pink costume bobbing up and down like a jerk; and the more important message, that BUSHCO has politicized our intelligence agencies and readily sacrifices loyal civil servants who have made a career, at personal risk, of helping to keep our nation safe, has been LOST.

Who gets the CNN spot today? Pink Nut, there....

It's not a question of how "we" look in the media. Because that idiot isn't on my team, or the team of most people I know who oppose this war. What has been lost is the opportunity to focus on the damage done to the Wilsons, and to our nation, because the time will instead be spent talking to some jerk in a pink costume. The "Plame thing" has been wrapped up in a pink blanket, and pushed to the side.

Heckuvajob.

[Moochy]

212. Heckuva load of bullshit

I guess watching CNN is harmful to your mental health, as your behavior on this thread is clearly indicating.

You go ahead and "associate Valerie Plame with an idiot in a pink costume"

Lost, oh heaven forfend that this molehill is not in fact a mountain!

OMG WE ARE TRULY LOST! THE CONCERN I HAVE IS HUGGH!!!!1111

[MADem]

221. No, it isn't. You're one of the few here who doesn't comprehend how BushCo manipulates media images

to bolster their viewpoints, and shapes news so that it is to their advantage.

If CNN is interviewing a nitwit in a pink costume, they aren't covering the Plame story, or the Gonzales story. And their slant on the Nitwit in Pink story will bleed over to the Plame Wilson coverage, and not in a good way.

And yes, the concern should be 'huge,' to anyone who can actually spell the word in any other way than the rightwing form. Making childish and snarky posts about political reality doesn't change it. Plenty of people who don't listen to the wit and wisdom of Moochy are going to see images of Valerie Plame, played along with an interview of a nitwit in pink, and they are going to make the association that PLAME=Batshit Crazy Idiot in Pink. And Batshit Crazy Idiot in Pink=Fringe, Lunatic, and Unimportant. Thus, Plame=Unimportant.

That's all they will take away from it, no matter how hard you insist otherwise.

Heckuvajob, Pinky!

[Moochy]

255. Golly I love Karl Rove

"You're one of the few here who doesn't comprehend how BushCo manipulates media images"

:eyes: Ok thats' even more pathetic.

"That's all they will take away from it,"

Unlike you, I don't live in fear of right wing lies. Right wing lies on the Tee Vee won't take away a single democratic committee chairman's subpoena power. Not a single one.

The only harm code pinks' protests do is to make you mad, so if for no other reason, I hope they are more active in the future. Obey apologized.

Cheers!

[MADem]

256. Who said anything about living in fear? Reading is fundamental.

Gee, I guess those average Americans sitting around their televisions had best take their cues from Moochy, and behave JUST like Moochy, and have the same view of the world as Moochy...that way, they WON'T be "taken in by rightwing lies."

I see, though, that it's all about you. You assume everyone sees the world the way you do.

You assume wrongly. You aren't the center of the universe, and the rest of America is not the Moochy borg--though you might wish that so.

Code Pink's protests don't make me "mad"--they offend me because they are stupid, they are ineffective, they are ignorant and ill-informed, and they detracted from, and demeaned, the Plame coverage.

Cheers, indeed. :eyes:

[Moochy]

259. MADem, the Champion of the little guy

My what a champion of Joe Six Pack and Mary Housecoat you are. :patriot: Good bye and good riddance.

[MADem]

260. Not at all. If you can't follow along, I just cannot help you. any more

The ability to read and comprehend are critical to following the arguments. No matter how much you try to put your opinion and your feelings front and center, the average American is NOT you, and may not feel as you do. In fact, it is LIKELY that they don't.

That was my point, and sadly, you can't read for comprehension. You want to make this about ME, and that's the mark of a seriously failed argument. Good day to you, too. You have my deepest sympathies.

[Cooley Hurd]

149. FYI - Midge Potts to be interviewed on CNN @ 5pm today...

Love her or hate her, she'll be on CNN...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

155. Well, The Little Attention Seeking Whore's Getting Her Wish I Guess Huh.

Cause lord knows, it's not Valerie that should be interviewed about the hearing. :eyes:

I swear to God some of those on our side who think so much that they're doing the right thing are in fact hurting us more sometimes than even the republicans could on their own. Some of them really need to get their narrow-minded heads out of their asses.

[MADem]

171. You got that right. And how dare we be pissed off at fools behaving like idiots?

That timeslot SHOULD belong to the Wilsons, and their fight for justice.

Instead, it's about a self-serving, selfish, asinine buffoon. Rove has gotta be thrilled.

[onenote]

204. agreed

[Cameron27]

211. agreed x 2

[kevinbgoode]

253. She's a Republican

She ran for Congress in Missouri against Blount in the primary.

[liberalnurse]

184. Mission accomplished.....

NOC Agents have died due to the outing of Valerie Plame.... so that Powder Puff Midge can get the award for securing the distraction from the truth with his/her 15 minutes....

What a fucking waste of oxygen.:cry:

[libnnc]

197. Is it possible for you to criticize Midge's actions

without the "Powder Puff" comment? I'm a lesbian and the homophobic remarks in this thread are totally shocking. I don't understand. If Midge were not transgendered, would you be as pissed as you are?

I'm probably opening myself to your ignore list, but whatevs...

[MADem]

219. I guess where you stand depends on where you sit

but to be fair to the poster, I didn't take it the way you did, and I don't think she intended the remark to be an insult. I took the "Powder Puff" comment to be more about the PINK clothing, or a reference to that pink costumed cartoon character, not the gender identity of the protester.

Of course, like I said, where you stand depends on where you sit.

[NNN0LHI]

176. Sorry guys I didn't mean to make this a long ass thread. Just wanted some info

I Googled with every key word I could think of to find the answer before posting too.

Exit stage left.

Don

[Cooley Hurd]

195. Oh no you don't! Git back here, Don...

;):hi:

[Rhiannon12866]

224. It's not your fault, since you had a legitimate question.

And DUers are the best at providing answers to just about everything, especially what's in the news. I understand why people are angry, since this story has taken on a life of its own, distracting the media from covering the real and important story, about Valerie Plame. But that's the fault of the MSM, not yours...

Rhiannon:hi:

[EFerrari]

254. Get back here.

:)

[SeattleGirl]

226. So I WASN'T seeing things!

I kept looking at this person, thinking, is that a man? Well, good on him!

[NNN0LHI]

231. I am not good about picking these things up myself

I see people talk about having a "gaydar" where they say they can spot gay people. I don't have such a thing. Whenever it comes out that someone is gay I am just clueless. Same things with people wearing wigs. I never notice people wearing them until someone else points it out to me either. Must be some deficiency I have?

Don

[Bluebear]

243. Well, she is a transgendered woman actually nt

[npincus]

262. someone posted she's a Republican

can't beat that for irony!