CSPAN is showing the protest and some speeches

[NightWatcher]

stay warm marchers

[LSK]

1. ANSWER???

Ugghhh..

They are slamming Democrats more than Bush. Is there some 3rd party I dont know about?

[TheConstantGardener]

16. The Dems have the power to end it right now

The point all the speakers made is to pressure the Dems to act NOW because WE voted them in.

[LSK]

25. Senate filibuster says no....

[TheConstantGardener]

29. They can cut off funding by failing spending bills

But thanks for insulting my intelligence!

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Really

ok...

Tell you what how this madness will end... assuming we have not taken the Imperial route already.

Slowly, hearings... and building coalistions.

They did not stop funding Nam until they also had VETO PROOF or close to that majorities

History, a wonderful thing... I like to read it

[TheConstantGardener]

38. "Slowly, hearings... and building coalistions."

People die while you peddle this establishment BS.

The Dems have enough votes to fail the spending bills. Some of them are just too much assholes to do it (the Blue Dog Caucus?)

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Ok here is your free clue for the day

unless you want to pick up arms (and it may come to that), this is the way it will happen

So unless you are willing to go into a VIOLENT revolution or civil war (many millions will die), this is the way it will happen.

So are you willing to pick up arms?

Short of that, your chances of moving that policy in a faster way are next to nill, by design. Blame the framers for that.

I wish it were different but it is not.

Abd yes I am aware how many people will die... on everybody's side

So once again... are yuo willing to pick up arms?

[roody]

53. Oh that they had ended it sooner!

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Yuo mean we have veto proof majorities

in both houses (especially in the Senate?)

Wow when did I miss THAT ONE?

Chiefly HOW?

[TheConstantGardener]

30. See my response to your buddy

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. And see my response to you above

pick up a history book, you may learn why we cannot at the moment.

In partiuclar, the hstory, legislative preferably, of the last four yaers of the Vietnam War.

[TheConstantGardener]

40. You think I don't understand congressional law?

I understand that they can if they choose to. They haven't. I've worked with congresspersons, their campaigns, with legislation. So stop insulting me and defending your beltway killers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. I'm not defending them

I confront them regularly, but I also understand the reality of this... so are you willing to pick up arms and go down the road of violent revolution?

Otherwise, ultimaately, you will have to work with them. I know, painful, but you will

[roody]

54. No more than two possibilities??

Impossible.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. In politics, if you study history

you either work inside the system, or out.

As a student of history I am aware of that.

So what is your third one?

[roody]

59. Three is very limiting. I suspect there is an infinity

of solutions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Ok, give me some

that most importantly WORK

Don't tell me there is an infinity of them does not work

[roody]

61. I believe it is time for everyone who wants to stop this

war now to sit down in the street with a sign, "No more business as usual." and accept the consequences. I have never been arrested and I am ready to do this. I will not take up arms. I believe that violence does not solve problems.

[cali]

48. Really? How exactly do the dems have the power to end it?

Your statement is woefully ignorant.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. I agree about ANSWER. Last year they had people giving speeches for every fringe cause

under the sun, and I don't trust ANSWER one bit.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. God I Hate Them. I Detest The Fact That They're Associated With Us By Presence.

They make me want to vomit. :puke:

[niyad]

2. so, are they also showing the tens of thousands of counter-protestors from "gathering of eagles" who

were supposedly going to show up to "protect the Wall"??

[Greeby]

3. Ah ANSWER the group that couldn't find the relevant topic

With two hands and a flashlight :eyes:

[helderheid]

5. Why can't WE be the ones organizing these things? I am so sick of ANSWER.

[LSK]

6. well they were not at the last one

Im headed to a local one in a few min, I hope they are not there.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

8. GREAT QUESTION! The Democrats are SUPPOSED to be the opposition

Instead, they're the scaredy-cat party who act as if their main job is not to offend the Republicans. And this has been true for 25 years.

ANSWER is stepping into a vacuum left by the alleged "opposition" party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. National partres DO NOT organize protests

have never done such, perhaps you need to reaad a history book

[TheConstantGardener]

32. But NATIONAL CANDIDATES SHOULD BE AT THE PROTESTS

Kucinich was. Where as Hillary/Edwards, or are they planning the next war against Iran like they did Iraq?

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Kuinish is in Europe

and again, hsitory will be your guide, or should be, Politicos rarely get invovled, what we do is form the parade (thank Thom Hartmann) that they will then lead.

Why don't you WRITE some letters to them and sugest this to them. I can promise that at least they will get read.

[TheConstantGardener]

41. At Peace Rallies in europe

Building coalitions with other people resisting the coalition forces.

God Bless Him.

[roody]

62. Thanks for saying what I don't dare say here.

[EstimatedProphet]

68. Really? Were the Plame hearings on Friday "scaredy-cat"?

Was that an attempt to not offend the Republicans? Those hearings are the kind of things that will truly lead to ending the Repig madness. Those are what we need.

[roody]

56. Who is stopping you from organizing mass protests?

I thank ANSWER. I am not able to organize such events.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. MoveOn is thank you

and they are not racist nor do they coopt the rally for their own goals

[helderheid]

63. That was the very question I was posing. Aren't there enough groups such as

DU, Progressive Democrats of America, True Majority, Move On, United for Peach and Justice that we could come together and put these on without ANSWER? What's stopping YOU?

[EstimatedProphet]

69. That is a good point - maybe we should

We have 100,000 members. I'm sure we could do something to organize.

[NightWatcher]

4. FUCK CHENEY

I keep hearing some guy yell this near a microphone at the rally.

[niyad]

10. welcome to DU--

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. I'll say it

I stay away from them BECAUSE of ANSWER

[Lydia Leftcoast]

9. Well at least ANSWER is protesting

Why aren't the Democrats organizing their own anti-war rallies?

Why?

Because so many of them were complicit in this national shame.

[NightWatcher]

11. ding, we have a winner

I dont care if it is ANSWER or a code pinker at the Plame hearing, at least it is someone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. At least I was on the streets BEFORE ANSWER got involved

this is not about the Democratic party.

News to you, no NATIONAL party has ever in the history of this country, organized protests.

But, ANSWERS at times racist message keeps me at home and TAKING OTHER ACTIONS, is this clear for you? And there are plenty others like me, who were OUT THERE before it was popular

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. Well then those other people need to get their acts together

and fill the vacuum that ANSWER is filling.

And I don't see what's racist about ANSWER. Yes, they're pro-Palestinian, but as someone who doesn't have a dog in the endless I/P fight, I find that no worse than being pro-Israeli. Both sides have a lot of blood on their hands. Both sides have sinned. Both sides need someone to go in and knock heads together and tell them to wise up. (I speak as a former mod.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Yep that is why they kep Rabbi Lerner off the Stage

since a Jew is automatically a zionist for their tripe, sorry, I have no pateince for them. They are as bad as the ideologues on the other side

[TheConstantGardener]

20. ANSWER was there 3 days after 9/11

How early did you get involved again?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. I was involved EARLY

as in very early and where I got involved EARLY they were not present or organizing protests... and it was NOT popular.

So you know what? Have a good life. Me, will continue to do my work as I have always done, even risking IRS audits, how bout you?

[TheConstantGardener]

36. Hmm

That wasn't a real response.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. So exactly what have you done?

I am willing to compare my bona fides with you any day of the week.

[SharonRB]

22. I'm so glad they weren't involved in the January march

That one was fabulous! I went in September '05, too, and hated their involvement -- that was my first march. The April march in NY was good, too.

Oh, here comes Cindy.....

The turnout doesn't look anywhere near as good as January was. I'm sure the weather had a lot to do with it, but so does ANSWER's involvement and the fact that it's so soon after the January march.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Yep ANSWER is now a negatize to the marches

I see they are involved, in any way, shape or form, I stay home. They are not.. I attend

[cali]

31. I understand the sentiment

but I've held my nose and gone to D.C. to protests organized by ANSWER despite their crap- an I really, really don't like how off message they inevitably get- not to mention how strident and meandering.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. There are days I wonder if they are a creation of the

government, not like they didn't do that in the sixties, no siree!

Yep tinfoil firmly in my head now

[EstimatedProphet]

70. National parties aren't even in a position to organize protests

Protests are at their heart about airing the grievances of citizens towards the government. How could part of the government air grievances against the government?

[TheConstantGardener]

18. Hey leave Kucinich out of that

In fact both of them are in Europe right now helping antiwar actions there.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

26. That's one good reason to stay away.

The other reason being that it's little more than a self-congratulatory bull session with no chance of changing anything to do with actual policy.

[TheConstantGardener]

15. Cynthia!!!

Great to see this great woman from my state still being active.

[BlueStater]

17. "Al Qaeda appeasers on the left"

Go fuck yourself, assholes. You aided Al Qaeda in ways your tiny brains can't even begin to fathom.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. Here we go... the Cuba contingency.. ANSWER is excellent at making all the other

antiwar protestors look like fringe loonies.

[TheConstantGardener]

33. Cubans are not fringe loonies

And our war against them is no joke.

It's their protest; they can talk about whatever causes they want. They hit Iraq plenty.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

44. This was ANSWERS agenda last year too. I'm sorry, they deliberately

place people in there that are truly controversial and tend to detract from the anti-war movement. In other words, it doesn't play that well in "Peoria". It is those people in "Peoria" that we need to end this god forsaken war.

Look up ANSWER. From what I've read, I believe that they are agents provocateurs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. BINGO

and here we go into the innevitable role of ANSWER on this, and I tend to agree with you

[TheConstantGardener]

50. And they build great coalitions for other issues

Sorry, but anyone who stays through the rally long enough to see the issues other than Iraq is not going to decide "Oh gee I support occupying Iraq now!"

Fashionista of the political world -- is that you?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. Your statement about me is totally uncalled for. I am telling you what MHO

is. You have not convinced me otherwise.

[TheConstantGardener]

57. I'm telling you HOLD YOUR OWN rally and don't complain about these people

They paid for it, they worked for it, and their agenda is JUST.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

64. In your opinion their agenda is just. I'm not alone in my feelings about them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=436687&mesg_id=436687

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. And it is of interest that a discusion on them

on ANSWER was moved to the dungeon

;-)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

73. lol! So the thread on ANSWER went to the dungeon and the poster that was defending

ANSWER to me was just tombstoned.

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. He was?

Oh my

Indeed...

Now I can laught a little

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

79. Good to be able to make you laugh, even a little! The thread that I noticed it on

was this one about Nancy Pelosi. It seems he/she posted some unsubstantiated claim against her. I am not in love with Pelosi but I also believe in the Truth.
Have a fantastic day!
:hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=438746&mesg_id=438746

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. You too

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

83. Thanks! eom

[bobthedrummer]

35. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x269378

[butterfly77]

51. I wasn't going to post but...

I have been looking at the protest for about an hour and a half now off and on and,.as others have said ANSWER is not the the answer when it comes to leading the protest about Iraq. They spend too much time on other issues and take off the focus on what it should be. The other issues are important but if I was there I would have left by now, because I couldn't take it. I can't hardly take some of it and I am watching on and off on television and by computer.

[helderheid]

65. From now on I think United for Peace and Justice, Progressive Democrats of America,

True Majority, DU, Code Pink, and Move On should be organizing these things and the focus needs to be about Iraq (and preventing Iran), in my opinion.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. They are

what do you think the vigils this comming monday are?

They have...

They just have a harder time getting all the permits.

Open your eyes.

Anybody spreading hate on EITHER side should be suspect, not just embraced becuase they "can do this."

The fact that they can, and have even removed local organizations should raise plenty of questions... but alas it does not... why?

[helderheid]

71. They have a harder time getting permits? Says who?

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Local experience

from local organizers

Oh never mind

Nothing to see here, and all bow to the great folks at ANSWER and their love humanity agenda :sarcasm:

[helderheid]

74. I'm trying to understand... help me out here

I'm having the worst time trying to understand - I'm sorry. I give kudos to MoveOn for doing the vigils - I understand you're saying it's hard to get the permits - are you saying that ANSWER is blocking other groups from getting these permits somehow?

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. No they are not blokign them

they just have a hell of an easier time getting them

[helderheid]

77. Any idea why that is?

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. That is why I have been scratching my head for the last few

years.....

But there are days that CONTRIELPRO comes to mind, STRONGLY

I duscusssed my feelings expentively in a post sent to the dungeon of 9.11... and if I mention my suspicions too loudly, this will go there too.

Yep the explanation taht it was two groups (anarchist and old time commies) comming together, yep that makes sense, but also ripe for infiltration and could be very useful given the history of the civil rights\antiwar movement in the 1960s, I don't pass anything above these guys

[helderheid]

80. OK - GOT IT. For the record, I have the same suspicions. Thanks!

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. Oh you wecome

it is a nice thing to exhange ideas and feel one is not nuts

:hi:

[Puregonzo1188]

84. Anarchist and old time commies coming together?

ANSWER is in no way an example of old time commies and anarchist coming together. It was founded by members of the Workers World Party and later was run by a break way sect called Party For Socialism and Liberation.

If you are not familiar with the WWP they were Buffalo, NY members of the then Trotskyte Socialist Workers Party who splintered from their party due to their support for Soviet invasion of Hungry in 1956 (striking workers are counterrevolutionary apparently). They're leader up to his death (I believe it was the mid-90s) was Sam Marcy. Their beliefs eventually morphed into a bizarre form of Stalinism and one they were one of only two American leftist groups who supported the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. They also have the dubious honor of viewing Tienanmen as "a battle" and supporting the Chinese government in running over students, I'm sorry--Nike loving imperialist, with tanks. They're also a big fan of Milosevic.

They're notorious for front groups. In the early 90s they became involved with Ramsey Clark. I've read two different stories of how they became involved. One claimed Ramsey's long time secretary was a member of the WWP and another one claimed they shared adjacent offices in the same building. When the first Gulf War started up they asked him to the spokes person for their coalition against the Gulf War.

They were also responsible for their being two protests against the first Gulf War in one week in DC. Unlike the other major antiwar group, they refused to condemn support Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. What nice people. They were so successful, Ramsey Clark and Brian Becker of the WWP (and now the PSL) went on to form the International Action Center which went on to form ANSWER. In 2004 there was a dispute over whether or not to endorse the Any One But Bush strategy or run their own candidate and several branched broke away to form the PSL. They took ANSWER with (but not the IAC, which I believe is still somehow involved with ANSWER) and formed "Troops Out Now" to replace ANSWER, which also has relations with Ramsey Clark. Oh did, I mention Troops Out Now staged a protest in support of Iran having nuclear weapons to fight the biggest war machine on the planet?

That is the root of ANSWER. They are not a group of commies and anarchist coming together. Most Anarchist hate ANSWER. Most commies probably do too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. The point was

once they came together it was the perfect moment for infiltration efforts

By the way... Trotskytes are also the origin of the Neo con movement

This is why we should be careful and examine them

No, not because they are communists... but because of the history of Contrielpro in this country

I am not naive, to beleive that they could not be infiltrated or have a series of negatives that have nothing to do with being a commie. (among them their over racism, which I have experienced in the flesh)

[Puregonzo1188]

86. Who came together? In ANSWER? No one came together.

It's dominated by one sectarian group. At the protest? Sure. Anarchist, commies did come together. So did people of all different ideologies. They were even Democrats their and at least one "CHRISTIAN VETERAN REPUBLICAN!" Believe me, I was there in 22 degree weather with a 103 degree fever. Lots of people attend protest organized by ANSWER if thats what you're talking about Anarchist and Commies coming together. If you're talking about the group ANSWER it is not a coming together of any sorts its very tightly controlled by a Stalinist sect.