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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:02 PM
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This is Code Pink


If we are true to the progressive agenda, we remember that we are a big tent. We may not choose to dress like this, but we can surely see what we have in common with those who do.

http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?list=type&type=3
CODEPINK is a women-initiated grassroots peace and social justice movement working to end the war in Iraq, stop new wars, and redirect our resources into healthcare, education and other life-affirming activities. CODEPINK rejects the Bush administration's fear-based politics that justify violence, and instead calls for policies based on compassion, kindness and a commitment to international law. With an emphasis on joy and humor, CODEPINK women and men seek to activate, amplify and inspire a community of peacemakers through creative campaigns and a commitment to non-violence.

“ We call on women around the world to rise up and oppose the war in Iraq. We call on mothers, grandmothers, sisters, and daughters, on workers, students, teachers, healers, artists, writers, singers, poets and every ordinary outraged woman willing to be outrageous for peace. Women have been the guardians of life—not because we are better or purer or more innately nurturing than men, but because the men have busied themselves making war. Because of our responsibility to the next generation, because of our own love for our families and communities and this country that we are a part of, we understand the love of a mother in Iraq for her children and the driving desire of that child for life” —Starhawk

With this call CODEPINK came to the face and space of the national leadership to protest the pre-emptive strike in Iraq. Medea Benjamin, Starhawk, Jodie Evans, Diane Wilson and approximately 100 other women kicked off CODEPINK on November 17, 2002. They marched through the streets of Washington, DC and set up for a four month vigil in front of the White House. The name CODEPINK plays on the Bush Administration’s color-coded homeland security advisory system that signals terrorist threats. While Bush’s color coded alerts are based on fear, the CODEPINK alert is based on compassion and is a feisty call for women and men to “wage peace.”
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:09 PM
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1. I have to say, I admire them greatly. Some have commented that
their appearance detracts from the seriousness of the anti-war effort. I don't agree. These women take their time and money to go to the capital and protest. They stay often for weeks. They get arrested. They do this for love of country and our people. If the people who say they detract aren't putting in equal time and expenditure, then they need to rethink their argument. These people are great patriots. I salute them. They are putting resources, time and perhaps their very freedom on the line for you and me and the Constitution.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:12 PM
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3. Yes I agree
They are a bit unconventional but their work is to be greatly admired. Seeing them criticized here on DU is very disheartening.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:19 PM
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6. Yeah
some people do seem overly CONCERNed about silly things like dress. These people aren't going to a job interview.

I didn't notice any complaints or concern about the effect on the message with the topless Brazilian protestor.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:20 PM
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9. And the Billionaires for Bush are never criticized either
<sigh>
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:35 PM
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20. Nor are Raging Grannies.
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 02:35 PM by femmedem
It's easy to criticize people for dressing flamboyantly while forgetting that if you're not colorful, the press ignores you.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:20 PM
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30. LOL earlier today someone said Code Pinkers were old ladies
I think they were confusing them with raging grannies.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:40 PM
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94. My friend told me they "were all Lesbians". And I said
"Oops! News to me!"

:rofl:

Will the REAL Code Pink please STAND Up?

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:29 PM
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16. CodePink uses humor very effectively. nt
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:31 PM
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18. expensive business suits are far more offensive than anything Code Pink wears :-)
i love Code Pink. Some people in DU criticized the Code Pink guy who was seen behind Valerie Plame yesterday, with "Impeach Bush" on his t-shirt. And he wore a crown. I thought it was funny, and dead serious at the same time. They bring much needed smiles and reassurance in the midst of this horror we call the Bush administration.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:07 PM
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R eally? I haven't seen any comments here
criticizing their appearance. Some of us criticized yesterday's crude upstaging of Valerie Plame, and the inevitable media circus that it sparked.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:17 PM
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65. Not their appearance, their disruptions
Such as when Valerie Plame was testifying yesterday. I saw no broad attack against Code Pink as a whole. There does come a point where provocative protest becomes attention seeking and whenever that happens, the cause suffers.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 07:47 AM
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101. "...no broad attack against Code Pink..."
and no pun intended either, I'm sure, but still a funny find. :silly: :rofl:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 09:11 AM
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105. I have to disagree.. The more attention that can be drawn to the cause the better
That is exactly what they want and the whole idea of their bizarre attire. Get attention..get lots of attention. Sometimes the only reason something makes it on the 5:00 news is because of major attention grabbers like Code Pink. How many American watched the hearings do you believe? Maybe a tenth of one percent if we are very lucky. Most won't know anything about them at all. The news has to get out there and if it takes some really strange behavior to get any mention then I support it..
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:15 PM
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116. I Don't Agree, Either
Most people, when they would say they are being "serious," are in fact merely pretending to be "solemn," as little children might do. They fold their hands, they crinkle their brows, they frown. They hope to fool you.

"Serious" is "for real." "Real" includes so much more than the tired, grey-suited compromises involved in keeping one's anti-war gravy train on track. Too bad about that. Hurray for clowns. Let ten thousand red rubber noses honk!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:11 PM
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2. code pink women are heros of the progressive movement...
...and I salute them! :patriot:
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:16 PM
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4. TRUE PATRIOTS!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:16 PM
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5. CODE PINK Photo I Took In D.C. In February:
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 02:24 PM by Hissyspit

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:19 PM
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7. That's Leslie!
Can I send her this picture? It's awesome.

Thanks for posting, Hissy. Code Pink is being mightily criticized here today and I appreciate knowing there are DUers like you who appreciate what they do.

:hug: :hi:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:22 PM
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13. Sure, feel free! Yeah... there's a lot of nonsense being posted by people who don't do anything
but nit-pick every move by others.

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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:11 PM
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61. And how do you know that these people "don't do anything...
but nit-pick..." ???

That's mighty presumptuous.

Same ol fucking squishies:

as much substance as jello...
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:29 PM
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71. I can assure you some of them do nothing but nit-pick.
I didn't say everyone who is criticizing falls into that category.

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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:20 PM
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8. I agree with CODEPINK and their method 1000%.
I cannot understand how anyone who considers him/herself progressive could think of CODEPINK as anything other than heroic women fighting for everyone's freedom. These are the real "Minutemen" of our generation.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:20 PM
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11. That's a great analogy!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:22 PM
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14. its heartening isn't it. I don't remember a dress code during the
Viet Nam war protests. But then, I'm old. :evilgrin:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:31 PM
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17. They're active. They stay on message. They're liberal. They're funny. Bowled a strike. nt
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:20 PM
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10. Good on them!
:thumbsup:
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:22 PM
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12. True progressive patriots!
I have seen this group in action. They are awesome.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:23 PM
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15. Code Pink is the glue that has held together the activist and
anti-war movements in my community. I salute them and I don't care what they wear.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:33 PM
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19. I support code pink
They rock!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:55 PM
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21. Humor, humanity, art and outrage/ousness are part of grassroots activism
The Backbone Campaign does a great job too. And don't forget the Guerilla Girls.

THINGS ARE SO INSANE IN THIS WORLD RIGHT NOW, MAYBE PRANKSTERISM IS NEEDED TO CUT THROUGH THE FOG OF LIES.

The recent criticisms of Codepink show how petty, conservative and disengaged the general public-- and even many "activiists" have become. It's a spectator society and the visual shock of Code Pink and others is MEDICINE.

And if not for Code Pink, I wouldn't have met Sean Penn. :thumbsup: :pals:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:22 PM
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32. I am so jealous
I started to go to that party in Jan where Sean Penn was but I got sidetracked to a different party.

And yes, the critics here are obviously not activists.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:56 PM
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22. Using theatrics in political protest isn't new
Both members of the first and second wave feminist movements did it. I find it very curious the criticisms of Code Pink here on DU.

When I see Code Pink, I see nothing different than what Alice Paul and other members of the women's suffrage movement did a century ago. Often times the most effective political protest involves theatrics. It's meant to get attention.

I really don't understand why some people have a problem with this. I ask the critics to pick up a book and read some history for cripes sakes.





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bentley Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:01 PM
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23. Good for them
Any group who's policies on based on compassion, kindness, joy and humor has my support regardless of their appearance.

They are true heroes, to sacrifice so much for a valid cause!
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:10 PM
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26. I feel like I have to add this here
I greatly admire Code Pink, and the work they do.

That said, I honestly DID have a problem with the woman at the hearing the other day wearing her pink tiara.

My first impression, once I saw it, was that it really diminished their message, given that particular venue, and the gravity of the situation. I just felt it was inappropriate for the circumstance. There is a time and place where its perfectly fine to make a statement that way, but I didnt feel like an official congressional hearing was the place.

Sorry, and feel free to flame away, but its how I honestly feel. :shrug:

-chef-
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:26 PM
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35. That's what Code Pink does
They have been appearing in that same way at hearings all over DC for several years now. Disruption is a large part of their agenda. So if you greatly admire them, you need to realize the pink tiara woman at that hearing is a very good example of their work. :)
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:33 PM
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39. OK, without arguing semantics
I DO admire their work, their agenda, and 'usually' their tactics. In most cases they are quite effective.

They may even have been effective, to an extent, during the hearing, but at the same time, inappropriate, IMO.

As I said, there is a time and place for that type of disruption. An event where they know there will be TV cameras, etc. is certainly a ripe target, but I do believe a line should be drawn sometimes.

It just came across as disrespectful to the seriousness of the situation, the other day, if you ask me.

-chef-

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:44 PM
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45. I respect your opinion
and I even understand it. I too was a bit turned off when I first encountered Code Pink. But I have had a couple years now to see them in action and see that they do get results.

I really understand the frustration. I can't do a lot but I did go meet with my congressman a few months ago to talk about the war. He almost immediately changed the subject and bragged about legislation he is proposing to put child proof caps on gas cans to prevent kids from being burned by gasoline. My friend reminded him that kids in Iraq are burned to death nearly every day. But the subject was again changed.

Congress is not getting the message. Hence, Code Pink resorts to some fairly outrageous ways to get their attention. I applaud them for that.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:31 PM
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72. They're very good
at encouraging people who already agree with them 100%. I doubt Ms. Pink Tiara yesterday changed a single mind, and in fact, I bet she turned off reasonable people who now associate Valerie Plame with the "loony left".

Mockery and spectacle is great to make fun of ridiculous people. Fred Phelps is a great example - the only way to respond to him is with mockery. But regarding the war, or Valerie Plame, I think such spectacle is worse than useless - it's actually counterproductive.

Big demonstration? Sure, wear costumes, funny signs, whatever. A major congressional hearing on a very important issue? No - it hurts. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are great fun a Gay Pride parade - if they showed up at a Senate hearing on the Employee Non-Discrimination Act, though, they'd be out of place and hurt the cause.

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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:23 PM
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82. gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here...
The "pink tiara woman" is NOT a good example of their work. Their work has been to publicize and protest against the destruction, political manipulations, and corruption of this administration and its right wing zealots. Disruption has indeed been a large part of their tactics for years.. but it has been disruption of the neocon agenda. These hearings were in a very large way thanks to people like those in Code Pink who worked tirelessly to have the lies and corruption surrounding the outing of Plame (and its connection to the lies and corruption used to get into this disasterous war) investigated. What exactly was her point in needing to be on camera while Plame finally got her hearing? What exactly was there to protest at a hearing we FINALLY got?

Sorry, this looks to me more like "look at me" rather than "listen to the truth" and until this incident that has NOT been an example of Code Pink's work. Except for this pathetic personal indulgence (imo) by at least one member, it does not accurately portray their work as an organization still. Seems to me, what Valerie Plame had to say was a lot more important in the 'Impeach Bush' movement than jockeying for camera access and pointing at a pink t-shirt while she's finally getting the chance to be heard. Someone else here said 'they(Code Pink) will not be ignored'. Therein lies my problem with this..because to me, anyway, it looked like that is exactly what she was saying. If that is more important than 'the truth will not be ignored', then this particular Code Pink member greatly deserves criticism. And I'm a bit surprised that many can't separate the great work of Code Pink in general with this inappropriate tactic at a hearing they worked so hard to get. Makes no sense to me.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #82
108. Code Pink is non partisan
They are targeting Dems because the Dems are in charge now. Code Pink wants the war to end. That is their cause, not supporting one party or another.
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bentley Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:40 PM
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43. No flaming
I respect your view and understand your point. I wish we had more people to represent the movement, who are less controversially and are able to represent us in a more Conservative way but to para-phase Rummy's words - You don't have protests with the people you desire, you just have to make do with the ones you have...:)

I give them a lot of credit, it takes a special kind of person to put their lives on hold to stand up for there believes, for that I applaud them..
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
60. You aren't alone
I absolutely support Code Pink, but I think detracting from Valerie's testimony was a mistake. It's now turned into a media circus -- an interview with Midge will be coming up on CNN shortly. The attention paid to her takes away from the gravity of the situation.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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bentley Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:00 PM
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57. Thanks
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 04:01 PM by bentley
DU is a great site, with some really smart people who provides great information. The research everyone does is fantastic and I really appreciate the effort everyone makes. Knowledge is powerful.:)

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:07 PM
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24. Please don't yell at me, but why would they target Valerie Plame?
"We call on women around the world to rise up and oppose the war in Iraq" - - absolutely!! "Working to end the war in Iraq, stop new wars, and redirect our resources into healthcare, education and other life-affirming activities" - - you know it!!!

But, after years of waiting to tell her story, why would someone from Code Pink protest Ms. Plame's testimony? That's the only thing I don't get. If they disrupted an AG Gonzales speech, a McCain stump event, any GOP rally, great! But why Plame?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:12 PM
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27. My guess...because they knew that's where the cameras would be
Would I have dressed that way? No. But I would certainly have worn a tee-shirt or big assed button etc.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:20 PM
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31. Exactly
I wouldn't dress that way, either. But that's how Code Pink members dress. No big deal. They show up at hearings and keep the focus on the war, and I for one won't peck them to death for their clothing choices.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #31
85. It's less "dress" than COSTUME
big difference.

They're employing color and costume and it's very effective. Helps ID them, helps get attention, helps people understand immediately when they see a Code Pink person. Etc. Think: BRANDing.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. OK
it's a costume.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:19 PM
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29. I didn't see it interrupt
testimony. Unless I missed a part. I did see someone stand up with the impeach shirt on, stretch so you could see the shirt on camera and then sit down. They were behind Valarie so it didn't disrupt her and got the message out quietly. After the hearing was over I did hear the impeach chant but that didn't interrupt anything either. So unless I missed something (I did have to work during the hearings) a message was gotten out without rudely interrupting anything.


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. She was bouncing around trying to get into the camera shot,
making "shame, shame" motions with her hands, all sorts of kinetic things. Again, loved the message, but wondered why during Plame's testimony.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:31 PM
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37. Maybe it is just me
in that I noticed her but it wasn't that big a deal. Then again barking dogs, kids yelling and other noises that tend to drive people nuts rarely bother me either. Actually the bright blond woman in the black shirt was much more distracting to me and she just sat and listened intently. Now what the media decides to do with it is a whole different matter but then I believe the media would find something, anything to avoid reporting on the real news.



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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. Same here.
I noticed her for only a moment. I seriously doubt that the media would be covering the Plame testimony any more responsibly had this protester not been there. Why such a big deal on DU?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Oh I don't mean to make a 'big deal' about it, just asking
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Have you read some of the other
threads about this? There is some serious hateful name calling going on. I didn't mean you were making a big deal-sorry.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. Yes, that is why I thought I would quietly ask here lol
The hateful name calling has absolutely no place.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:45 PM
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46. That was the Juror!
The older woman with the black sweater and the blonde hair was the dismissed juror for the Libby trial! She sat behind Vicky Toensing during testimony. I'm pretty sure that's her. I don't think she likes Vicky. :)
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:48 PM
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49. She did not look happy.
I didn't know it looked like a juror, now there is a side story I want to hear. Was she, if she was why was she there and how does she feels about it all?



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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Her?
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 03:53 PM by blogslut


I'm pretty sure that's her. I am looking @ firedoglake. I think that's where I saw this mentioned.

UPDATE
Found it:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/16/well-that-was-interesting/

"Curiosly, the juror who was dismissed from the Libby trial — a woman in a short blond bob — was at the hearings, and spent most of Toensing's testimony glaring at the back of her head. Toensing may have spent most of her time dissembling at the request of the minority and trying to steal everyone else's time, but at least there was a nice visual metaphor about how the rest of us felt about the whole thing...
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. Yes, that is her.
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 03:57 PM by CC
Off to read FDL now.



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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. crooksandliars has some video
The clip where Waxman calls Vicky on her bullshit. You can see the lady was very fidgety with her collar.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/16/waxman-v-toensing/

They also carry a clip from Valerie Plame's testimony. I hope others here watch it and see that Midge wasn't nearly as disruptive as CNN's Jeanne Moos makes her out to be.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/16/valerie-plames-opening-statement-i-was-a-covert-officer/
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #58
64. Midge is being interviewed live on CNN right now
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. just caught the end
She did great. A little nervous but she kept her cool. Yeah Midge!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #24
42. They weren't protesting her testimony
You cannot deny the connection between the war that Code Pink is working so hard to end and the outing of Valerie Plame. I personally participated in a letter writing campaign organized by Code Pink demanding that Plame get that very hearing she had yesterday. So you can credit Code Pink at least partly with what happened in that hearing yesterday. I thought of them first when I heard that Valerie Plame was finally going to get her day in front of Congress.

That particular Code Pinker is at hearings almost every day and has been for months now.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #24
81. I don't think that she was there to protest. She was also wearing a
pink shirt that had Impeach Bush Now in black lettering. She stood up quite a few times so that the camera was picking up the Impeach Bush Now message.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:41 PM
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96. CODEPINK is anti-war, not anti-republican/pro-democrat. They are
pro-peace and they have to strike while the iron is hot. If Democrats support peace and are fighting to stop the war now, then CODEPINK is on their side, if Democrats are not fighting to stop the war now or not working for peace now, then Democrats are subject to the same treatment as republicans. One of the problems with both of the major political parties is that they want to use you when they want you, but want to ignore you when you don't suit their needs. Well, a lot of people don't go for that kind of treatment. This is called an anti-war movement any party not anti-war is subject to this opposition..
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:08 PM
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25. I love Code Pink
In fact, I think they are heroes.

I dedicate this YouTube to them:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T7l0DACfz9w

He said shut up. He said shut up.
Oh God. can't you keep it down.
Voices carry.
I wish he would let me talk.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:15 PM
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28. I love what they do and they do it well.
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 03:16 PM by Cerridwen
Yesterday, they blew the strategy and diluted the message which might have made it out of the hearing. They did the media's work for them. Everyone makes mistakes, I believe yesterday was http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=436169&mesg_id=436169"> one of them.


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:23 PM
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33. This doesn't prove that they should have been part of the Valerie Plame hearings. NT
NT
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. This is America and these hearings are open to the public
Are you suggesting that policy be changed?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. I'm suggesting that the time to show an Impeach Bush t-shirt...
...isn't in the middle of Valerie Plame's testimony.

I'm not advocating a change in law, just a change in tactics.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. I have several IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY shirts and I wear then as often as
possible. And 99% of the time, I get very supportive comments. It is way past time to get that message out there as often as possible.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #33
67. Occasional isolated incidents
can cancel out so much good. I've usually seen Code Pink work in groups of 3 so that may have been one person acting on their own.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #33
102. doesn't need to be proven. nt
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:36 PM
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40. They're like the idiots at gay pride parades who look and act like sluts.
All they actually accomplish is to put off people who otherwise might consider our side to have a valid and reasonable point of view. After all their pusillanimous pink panjandrums, what has happened in Iraq? The chimp is sending 40 thousand MORE troops there as cannon fodder. They are a fucking joke. Their hearts are clearly in the right place but their heads are up their collective asses. They AIN'T HELPING.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. I respectfully disagree
The point of those hearings yesterday was not to convert anyone. And playing nicey nice has accomplished exactly nothing so far. We are still at war, 3200 of our soldiers are dead and Congress is doing very little to change that.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. Which is precisely why her actions were inappropriate in that venue.
If they're so goddamn effective, explain to me WHY there are 3200 dead soldiers. The bottom line is that there is Zero evidence they have actually done anything useful to either ending the qWagmire or getting rid of the bastards in the maladministration. It's like pissing into the wind and having it blow on your friends standing next to you.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #54
76. So what are people supposed to do?
When they can't get a sit down with their representatives, can't get straight answers, are totally ignored by the media (except when they wear silly costumes)--what are people supposed to do?

Rock. Hard place.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. I can only speak for myself in that regard. I write a lot of letters to
my congressmen. I occasionally show up in person at my Senator's house in Muskogee, I'm treated respectfully and we fight like hell over most issues. I'm a member of several organizations including ACLU, PFAW and contribute to them and to Democratic candidates. I vote and I get other people to do the same. I write many LTTEs many of which are
published. I hand out little 'fact sheets' to anyone who will take them.

What I do NOT do is dress up like a clown and interrupt serious inquiries like the hearings yesterday and try to
upstage a very important witness.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #78
112. And your efforts have had the exact same results as CODEPINK's...
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #40
63. Define "slut"
And then tell me what the problem is.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. Look it up, I'm not a dictionary.
The problem is...obvious even to the untutored casual observer...that public displays of simulated (or real) sex
isn't really a good way to convince the unwashed masses that gay people deserve equal rights. If that's the angle
you're working...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #40
73. There's a build up in Iraq because of Code Pink?!
Oops!

lol
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. No, in spite of them.
...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. You're right. To date, Code Pink isn't as influential as the DLC
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 04:50 PM by sfexpat2000
:shrug:

Look -- they marked off the left when the rest of the left was hiding. If you don't like Pink Statues of Liberty, that's up to you. :)
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. Great. I wonder if they can produce a list of people they've managed to sway over to our side?
Because that's what we need to end the Iraq clusterfuck and/or dump Dubya. You might have noticed last week when we couldn't even get a simple majority on the Iraq Senate resolution let alone the 60 necessary votes. I talked to some people in our lakeside store this morning. Two of them saw the CNN piece on Mitch or Marge or whatever it's name is and I won't even repeat some of the things they said. But you can be certain those people won't be supporting
a quick end to Iraq or any kind of gay rights. Not in this lifetime.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #77
87. But the DLC has been out there every day trying to end the war.
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 07:24 PM by sfexpat2000
Okay -- that's an exaggeration but you know what I mean.

And, gee, people get to exercise their First Amendment rights no matter how much or how little you or I appreciate that. That's the deal.

I sure enjoyed seeing that Code Pinker more than I enjoyed watching Newt endorse Schumer's new book. But, that's just me. Us idiot Liberals have been making good calls for all these long years. I guess this is how Cassandra felt.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #87
92. Yeah, that pesky First Amendment. It applies to the Fred Phelps gang too.
Or does it?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #92
95. Sure. Goddamn him.
:)
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:37 PM
Response to Original message
41. Sometimes Their Acts Are In Fact Honorable. Yesterday They Were An Absolute Disgrace. n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #41
80. You sure are making it hard for me to bitch at you!
:D
:rofl:
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:03 PM
Response to Original message
59. I don't care about the fashion.
I just care about so-called liberals who steal the thunder from important congressional hearings to make up for their own low self esteem or change the subject in order to further their own celebrity.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #59
79. Well put. With "friends" like that....
:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
62. Sing it.
:thumbsup:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:21 PM
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69. They will not be ignored! K&R!. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:25 PM
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70. Kick
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:25 PM
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83. CODEPINK rocks
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. yes
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:29 PM
Response to Original message
88. Code Pink takes pre-emptive war off the table, whatever Bush/Pelosi think. They don't bow to power,
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 07:29 PM by Tom Joad
they have the strength and wisdom to fight miliarism and will not tolerate killing in the name of expediency.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
89. I love Code Pink.
They are at the top of my list of peace activists that I fully embrace and support, along with Cindy Sheehan.

I like Code Pink better than most of Congress, frankly.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:15 PM
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90. .
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:28 PM
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91.  Code Pink Rawks!
It's later than you think!

Geez lionizing an ex-CIA agent as some American hero(oine) whilst bashing an anti-war activist group on the frontline is seen as a progressive position?

How complete is the propaganda apparatus? How narrow is the range of discussion?

That should disturb the average viewer.

When hearing such discussions I wonder how many logs are on the fire, have folk ever strayed from the peg. Do they know how late in the game we are?

From the the medium-security complex of the one trillion dollar per year home of the free wage slavery warfare state.

Set the alarm the house is on fire.


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sam kane Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. yep, jcrowley's right, down w/the CIA, long live Code Pink!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:34 PM
Response to Original message
93. I do love em.
And I was a bit taken at their appearance at the Plame hearing. However, in spite of my "chagrin" I applaud them and I am grateful for their actions.

:toast: to Code Pink for making us think! Hey I made a rhyme. :P
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:32 PM
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97. Hats off to you, Code Pinkers!
If I wasn't disabled, I would join them myself. I think I love them because they are slightly outrageous--a fitting response to the outrages of King George. Rock on!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:15 AM
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99. And this is a rec.
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mahmoud al_hazen Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 07:20 AM
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100. Code Pink serves the interests of Humanity
and Peace far more than the naked economic greed of the United States, and it's friend.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 08:26 AM
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103. a kick for codepink!
:bounce:
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 09:01 AM
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104. i hate the whole pink thing. eom
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:02 AM
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106. What harm
did she really do? Look at the media and attention she's getting. People are blogging about and talking about CodePink. She'll be doing interviews, etc. She's now got a stage to talk about CodePink and their movement and even bigger problems IMHO (the Iraq War and Impeachment). Not just a picture holding up a sign with a pink umbrella, but a voice and message broadcast across the country to a much broader audience than your typical CSPAN viewer.

And for those who say this was counterproductive to the Plame case, is it really possible that the committee, the house, and the senate is going to turn their backs on the evidence and seriousness of this case because someone put on a pink t-shirt and a tiara? If so, then aren't we already screwn?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #106
110. Yes, great points!
And welcome to DU! :hi:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:56 PM
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113. Very good points.
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:04 AM
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107. Free Country. Free Speech. Freedom to Protest. ......FREE WILL
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:37 AM
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109. Today we are all code pink. nt.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:41 AM
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111. This is me (and others) at a Code Pink protest against the war






Those of you who don't get the attention grabbing part of a protest, should not dabble in activism until getting the basics. Of course, those of you who are political operatives, don't need to understand - being an activist requires a soul.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:11 PM
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114. I salute you!
:yourock:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #111
117. You betcha
When you have a vested interest in the war, it takes on a whole different meaning.. Now that my Son is home, I am working hard to try to keep him from having to go back to that illegal war...

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:24 PM
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115. More power to them all!
:thumbsup:
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:54 PM
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118. Nice
I didn't quite know what Code Pink was all about. This is an up lifting tale. Thanks for sharing.
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