Message to lurking Republicans: You'll be fine.

[nickgutierrez]

If you're not one of the 5% of Americans making more than $250,000 a year, your taxes will go down.

For the small business owners, you'll be able to help your employees get health insurance. Not just that, but lowered taxes for the middle class means that people will have more money to spend at your business. Oh, and you won't have to worry about capital gains taxes, either.

For the evangelical, religious right: relax. Nobody is doing anything to your church. Obama is a Christian, just like you.

For the fiscal conservatives: some significant fraction of you probably voted for him anyway. Government will be smaller, and more effective.

For the national security crowd: Obama will not ignore obvious, repeated threats, like Bush did.

For the energy independence crowd: The Green economy is coming, and with it comes more independence, faster, than drilling ever would. And it'll help take care of that global warming thing, to boot.

And, sure, we'll need your help, too. This is our country, and that means all of us. "Red" states, "blue" states - no more. But you'll be fine.

[cliffordu]

1. And if you feel like getting ahead of the curve, PM me and I'll tell you

how to send me your assault weapons.

[nickgutierrez]

2. I knew I forgot somebody - the NRA crowd.

x(

[cliffordu]

4. Aw, come on, not all of us are completely crazy.....

I don't belong to the NRA, but i do believe in the second amendment as written.

Government should be afraid of the people, not the other way around.

[nickgutierrez]

7. How do you interpret the first clause of that amendment?

The "well-regulated militia" line - the NRA excludes that part entirely.

[cliffordu]

14. Just what it says:

The non-professional army - the militia - all abled bodied men - was all the frontier people had to protect themselves from the natives who resisted....civilization...and to hunt meat with.

[nickgutierrez]

22. Makes sense to me. n/t

[fascisthunter]

13. we will never take your guns away

[cliffordu]

16. I know that, I was actually joking....

I want the freepers to send me a .50 caliber sniper rifle.

[fascisthunter]

17. cool...

:toast:

[Xenotime]

23. I will. I really look forward to getting guns off the street.

[MaraJade]

31. Amen. . .

And our right to bear arms is vitally important in keeping it that way.

[MaraJade]

26. Don't go there. . .

Some of us Dems ARE the NRA crowd. We've been gun toting Democrats for years. . .

[nickgutierrez]

29. I understand that.

That's basically my point. This stuff doesn't matter anymore. Enough of the pitting Americans against Americans - we can disagree on issues, but we all need to work together to fix this country's problems.

[petronius]

25. Don't be such a piker - we're going to take ALL their guns

Half for you, and half for me!

;)

[MaraJade]

28. Please don't attempt to

take mine. Please don't. Please.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

41. You must be a firefighter.

[petronius]

48. How do you figure?

:shrug:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

51. I don't hear "piker" much outside the fire department.

Just an unusual expression that's extremely common to the fire department.

David

[petronius]

52. That's interesting. Not a firefighter, and I've no idea where I picked the word up

I suspect I got it from reading noir-ish literature (Chandler, MacDonald, etc), but it's just a guess.

:hi:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

53. In the fire department...

It usually means tattle tale. For example, I was late and someone piked me off. If they laugh while they're screwing you over, they are known as a laughing piker. I realize you used it in a different context, thought that might be a west coast thing. Might be interesting to look at the origins. I've heard it from fire departments all over the east coast anyway. Take care.

David

[Ecumenist]

3. Amen, AntiWarWarrior!!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[woo me with science]

5. What a great post.

Time for the country to heal.

[Fireweed247]

6. Oh...and...

Get Over It!! :rofl:

[nickgutierrez]

9. .

:rofl:

Ok, a little gloating, too. But just a little - we've got work to do. :)

[Flying Dream Blues]

8. What a great post, antiwarwarrior! Let the healing begin! nt

[Gabi Hayes]

10. great, except for one needed addition:

GET THE FUCK OVER IT!

[alittlelark]

11. BEST POST OF THE NIGHT.

Ya got my nomination!!!!:toast: :hug:

[fascisthunter]

12. Truly a Great Thread....

recommended

[Carolann]

15. Hey!

I just got off a gaming website where they're all crying because Obama "may" become President...AND (I am not making this up) they are all going to move to Canada or Mexico if he does! I was so stunned that all I could think of for an answer was, "Can I buy you a plane ticket?" (which I posted & got flamed for). But now...jeez, second thoughts are always so much better...I wish I'd said, "They don't want you, either!" :bounce: :evilgrin:

[nickgutierrez]

21. The French might call that "l'esprit d'escalier" - the wit of the staircase.

http://www.jamesedmunds.com/shoulda/

[Swamp Rat]

18. Geauxbama!!!

[nickgutierrez]

27. That ripple has become a huge, huge wave.

A tsunami of hope, maybe?

[Swamp Rat]

34. Yes indeed!!!

:bounce:

[crickets]

19. And the voice of reason has spoken. K&R -nt

:thumbsup:

[nickgutierrez]

24. I wouldn't go that far.

But, thanks. :)

[crickets]

35. You sounded pretty darned reasonable to me.

Especially in contrast. You're welcome. :7

[edbermac]

20. We should set up a group called Freepers Anonymous.

What the hell, even Darth Vader came over from the Dark Side.

[LurkingConservative]

30. I hope it will be fine!

I hope so!

The GOP has betrayed its own interests and I am not sad to watch them go down in flames. Maybe one day a real conservative party will rise from the ashes of 2008 and realize the betrayal that Bush and his cronies sold us.

Until then, I wish you the best of luck in undoing the tyranny imposed on us for the last eight years (some to most of which you were also complicit in, sadly.)

P.S. Get us out of Iraq too, please? :)

[nickgutierrez]

32. Couldn't agree more.

Debate is a good thing - I always appreciate talking to conservatives and Republicans that can respectfully and rationally talk about issues.

And sadly, yes, too many Democrats have gone along with far too much.

[LurkingConservative]

33. Def.

Obama voted for Real ID too. :(

I don't count myself as a Republican, even though I voted in their primary this year.

[bhbwl]

38. It would be nice if there were such a thing...

Since there isn't, we'll just have to fix things.

Oh, and yes...to the lurkers.

YOU'RE OVER!

Get over it or not, it doesn't matter. Your party, its ideas and, yes, YOU...are finished.

Your guns, your bible-thumping, your greed...it's over.

Line up now and come along quietly. OR ELSE.

[nickgutierrez]

39. No - there will be no such lines.

The extremists, the racists, the bible-thumping bigots - they have been properly repudiated. Right now, though, is when we all start building a coalition that works for Americans. All Americans.

[bhbwl]

43. Try and tell them that.

They won't go along quietly, and I for one won't miss 'em when they're gone.

As for working for "all Americans," I sure as HELL hope Obama doesn't represent bigots and bible-thumpers. Their interests need to be IGNORED, not compromised with. They've had their turn and wrecked everything.

This time we can fix it. Fix it for good and forever. That's what we need, not compromises. As long as there's a single person in America that thinks it's okay to be a Repuke or think like one, our work isn't done.

NO QUARTER.

[MindMatter]

36. Most of the rich did better under Clinton than Bush

But of course, very few of them are the ones who elected Bush. The ones who created that 8 years of National Hell look a whole lot more like Joe the Plumber. I'm not sure there is much hope for those dimwits.

[nickgutierrez]

37. Clinton was good for everybody.

Including the super-rich. It's a really simple equation: stronger middle class = more people spending more money. That works for everybody.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

42. Clinton was a very moderate president.

[nickgutierrez]

44. Agreed.

And I'm not entirely a fan of his presidency - too much free trade, too much deregulation, especially in the media. But he was a hell of a lot better than the 12 years before, or the eight after.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

45. The country was far better off.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

40. Hey what about my guns?

Just kidding, although I get accused all the time. I'm not worried about that. Obama's to smart to go after anyones guns. I will like the tax break.

David

[nickgutierrez]

46. What about 'em?

;)

Check the thread starting at reply #1. They covered it pretty well.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

47. I know I was just kidding.

[riverdeep]

49. I'd like to relate a conversation I had with a McCain voter,

about a week ago. This guy is basically alright, a hard worker, a generally decent guy, but he has something like low grade racist tendencies. He would never burn a cross on a lawn or commit violence or anything like that, but he doesn't like Black people. He acts courteous when he encounters them, but avoids them as much as possible. He says he just prefers to not be in their company. There are a LOT of people like this, so I think this has relevance.

He said that he actually agreed that Obama is smart and capable, and he came down on the side of many of Obama's actual policies. But according to him, if Obama were to be elected, all the Black people will feel emboldened and just start demanding stuff, and therefore he had to vote for McCain. I tried to give him a response on his own terms. I told him that if Obama is elected it would actually be good for him. No longer will some Black people use the excuse that racism exclusively is what's holding them back, they will now have to stand or fall on their own merits. Additionally, Black youth now will no longer have as role models just local gang members or rap stars or athletes, but folks who go to school and work hard. I tried to convey to him they will not 'take over', and no one is going to force you to associate with people you don't want to; no more than he's forced to be with the elderly or something. He said he hadn't really thought of it that way. Don't judge me on the terms or concepts I used, you have to talk to people within their worldview.

[Duer 157099]

50. Nope, I think you're not getting it

What seems to drive those people is not their *own* wellbeing, but the degree to which everyone else around them has to suffer. You see, they are only really satisfied when not only are their own needs being attended to, BUT when other people are worse off than them and are suffering.

I know, it's insane, but it's the only explanation for what I've observed about them. That's probably why the socialism meme is so effective on them -- they cannot STAND the idea of everyone being ok. They have to be BETTER off than others in order to feel good.

So trying to appease them with your logic won't work. But nice try! It makes sense to all the rest of us.

[Jeroen]

54. Great post!

[votetastic]

55. We had 8 years of a piss-poor President who wrecked the economy

and decimated our global reputation. And they want more of the same?

I don't think there's any reasoning with them.

[Kingofalldems]

56. Freepers: We want your guns--hand em over!!!111!!

:rofl: