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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:46 AM
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CNN: "Obama won election in counties Bush won. He cant afford to alienate them with liberal agenda."
CNN's Political Director John King said this.

The bias and disdain for liberalism is obvious.

Every single commentator from Time, to Newsweek, to Charlie Cook has already
talked about how Obama MUST stand up to the "far left liberal agenda" of his
constituents.

But John King's argument is especially creative.

Can anyone point out to me the Catch-22 here? If you do, you get a sticker.
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:48 AM
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1. If they wanted a Republican
they would have voted for one.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:54 AM
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4. Apparently Dems are now EXPLICITLY a Center-Right party and that is what they voted for.
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 05:57 AM by Leopolds Ghost
DLC agents are going on-air and EXPLICITLY saying Obama needs to govern from the "center-right"

(I.e. radical anti-New Deal, anti-Glass Steagall, Eastern European "liberal" Reaganism.)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:54 AM
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5. Yep. It's That Simple
If they were still Bushbots, they would have voted McCain.

They didn't. So apparently they WON'T be alienated by more leftist ideas. It just might be what they voted for!
The Professor
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:24 AM
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28. Pretty slimy tactic from those commentators.
If those people vote for republicans, they like republican policies. If they vote for democrats, they want them to act like republicans. Anybody willing to take a moment to think this through can see it's utter nonsense.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:45 AM
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21. If we go far to the left
We will more than likely lose the majority just as quickly as we won it. The reason we've gained so much ground is because the Bush administration was incompetent and far to the right. If we go far to the left we'll probably be in their shoes 8 years from now.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:09 AM
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24. Define "far to the left"
Be specific. Just what do you consider beyond the pale, here in this day where raising the capital gains tax or top marginal income tax rate by a few points gets you labeled a "socialist" (apparently we were all Communists under Ike. Who knew?)

"Far to the left" is a boogeyman, a vauge, ill-defined thing you're supposed to be scared of. It's a red cape the right uses to try to stampede people in the direction it wants them to go. It is meaningless, and you should be ashamed for repeating it.

If you're really concerned, talk about real policies.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:47 AM
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33. gun bans, taxes on individuals below 150,000, cutting military budgets
increasing welfare benefits.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:10 AM
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38. Ok, lets take those point by point:
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 09:11 AM by JHB
1)gun bans: Interesting you brought this up first. I don't exactly recall gun regulation (much less bans) being a priority of Obama's, so what (other than RW scare-em stories) leads you to think this is a looming problem?

2)taxes on individuals below 150,000: The plan is to cut taxes on people earning under $250K. So where does this concern come from?

3) cutting military budgets: So it's "far left" to think that spending as much as the rest of the world combined on the military budget might be a bit excessive? It's "far left" to think that if you want to get rid of wasteful government spending, the most likely place to find it is in the one area that has practically had a blank check for decades and by necessity operates under some level of secrecy? I'll admit Bush has foisted additional military expenses on us, but don't tell me it's immune to change.

4)increasing welfare benefits: What "welfare benefits"?

And none of what you're worried about are Obama priorities.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:48 AM
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51. Great post. Can't wait to hear craiga86's answer.
;-)
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:14 AM
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42. After reading all the posts I agree with yours
I hope he can keep the far left under control or that's what will happen. I know even though gun control wasn't part of his agenda the far left will start the gun ban talk. Another one will be the environmental extremists will want to stop (all) fossil fuel use if they can. I just hope he is able to prevent those people from dictating policies. I think Americans do want a more centrist government I certainly don't want us going to far left any more than I liked it the other way. I voted Democrat because Obama and Biden both said they wouldn't take our guns away and if they do he will lose my support. Biden made that gaffe about the coal plants and Obama made the comment about bankrupting all the coal companies but I gave them the benefit of doubt and voted for them. I expect them to keep their word on developing clean coal technologies and not bankrupting the industry.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:01 AM
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23. Thank you. That sums it up perfectly. Voters WANT a liberal president.
The media is trying to sell bullshit.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:48 AM
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34. no they don't, they want a smart president. n/t.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:18 AM
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44. but you have to admit, "smart" and "liberal" are well correlated. n/t
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:45 AM
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49. They want a liberal president.
Smart, too.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:50 AM
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2. ummmm...
maybe these counties moves to the far left and that's why they voted for Obama (who is actually not very far left himself)?:shrug:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:52 AM
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3. John King: Colorado voted to end Affirmative Action; Blacks in CA voted to end gay marriage
"This is evidence of how liberal America wants Obama to be."

Ignoring for the moment that this is an utter violation and challenge to Thomas Frank's thesis that Democrats have destroyed themselves by allowing liberalism to be defined along a narrow band of social issues and these socially liberal wealthy Dems ENDED the New Deal and DESTROYED economic liberalism, something Reaganites were unable and unwilling to do.

Also ignoring that if Dems had focused on civil unions instead of trying to redefine a religious ceremony, we'd be celebrating the re-election of the UNASHAMEDLY LIBERAL (albeit pathologically non-confrontational) John Kerry.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:00 AM
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6. How does an inclusive," liberal agenda " alienate anybody?
It is real sport to alienate liberals though.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:12 AM
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11. Last I heard, voters overwhelmingly were saying "HEY! WE LOVE LIBERALS NOW"
Giving Obama a freaking landslide...

EARTH TO CNN: "We elected the "most liberal US Senator" as our President, not because we're stupid, but
because we've seen the RW alternative for the past 8 years and know how hard it sucks.

What part of "AMERICA LOVES LIBERALS AND THEIR AGENDA'S HUNKY DORRY WITH US" doesn't CNN
understand?
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:02 AM
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7. Sort of predictable sadly, that M$M tries to create a lose/lose choice for Obama
fuck CNN!!! I hope John King holds his breath waiting for Barack to fall for this bullshit,
while he watches CNN's ratings go through the floor.

Obama's all about win/win, not lose/lose. We've already had WAY more than enough lose/lose
over the past 8 year.

They're clearly trying to box Obama into a corner he'd never get out of if he buys into this
bullshit narrative. I'll say it again: fuck CNN!

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:07 AM
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8. If they had walked the precincts in conservative areas of the country
as I did, they would know that people are hoping for a liberal economic agenda and have prioritized economic issues over the so-called "conservative social" issues. I met many voters in southern Ohio who were trying to decide between their pocketbooks and their belief that Obama might murder babies. Apparently they chose their pocketbooks. The MSM had better face the facts: millions of Americans are suffering economically. Just because the newscasters as CNN and ABC can still afford the good life does not mean that the rest of America can.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:09 AM
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9. horseshit
How can he alienate them by running it the SAME WAY HE WON IT????
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:09 AM
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10. John King is an idiot.
Obama won because most Americans like his "far left liberal agenda." Duh! :dunce:



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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:13 AM
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12. Here's John King:
King traveled with Cheney to the Middle East in March 2002 as the administration began to build support for confronting Saddam Hussein. In 2005, King was among the CNN crew that covered the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita from the U.S. Gulf Coast. In June 2006, he accompanied President Bush on a trip to Baghdad during which the president met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the new cabinet. (CNN)


cozy guy
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:32 AM
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13. If only John King had worked a little harder on those hand gestures, maybe if he had worn
those special cuff links, maybe more of an oval while circling those counties.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:38 AM
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14. whew
thank god john king isn't president.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:53 AM
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15. Not exactly said this way but was the talking point of MSM yesterday. They are
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 06:54 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
trying to bully him to the right.

On MSNBC, 2 airhead newsmodels upon the news that Emanuel was selected for chief of staff, started to whine that Emaunel was a Democrat and Obama promised to be bipartisan in his hirings.

It was pathetic.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:40 AM
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39. They were surprised that a Democrat might actually hire some Democrats for key positions?
*ROTFLOL!*

If I remember correctly, Obama said that he would include SOME Republicans in his cabinet and I'm sure he will. However, Obama never said AFAIK that his cabinet would be EXCLUSIVELY Republicans. If that was the case, we might as well have John McCain as President-elect right now because that's what we'd get and I don't think he promised to nominate ANY Democrats (Lieberman wouldn't count) for cabinet positions either AFAIK.

I guess those two newsmodels either haven't been paying attention or don't know anything about how Presidential administrations are normally staffed (i.e. you don't put the opposition party in all of the important positions! Duh)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:45 AM
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40. The newsmodels probably graduated from the Sarah Palin School of Journalism!
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 09:45 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
:rofl:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:49 AM
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41. I wouldn't doubt that for a moment
:rofl:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:09 AM
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16. 75% of the folks here in illinois elected him in 2004
because we thought he was a "far left liberal" ? i do`t think so.....

these guys are pissed because he won and they know he just may get something done to restore our republic...
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:13 AM
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17. Actually, Mr. King, what I'm really tired of
is bogus quasi-journalists such as yourself shilling for the Corporate Theocracy, and pretending to be a "proud 'Murikan" while simultaneously supporting policies from the Right that would be Stalin blush.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:34 AM
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18. The people elected a communist socialist muslim negro terrorist
apparently that means they wanted more neocon neoliberal center right bullshit.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:51 AM
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22. Warren, you have my vote for best short summation
"The people elected a communist socialist muslim negro terrorist, apparently that means they wanted more neocon neoliberal center right bullshit."


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:toast:
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:36 AM
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19. Who is leading who?
I thought it was Barack Obama that was elected - on his vision, his policies and his insight. NOT on what the spinmeisters say.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:36 AM
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20. These people voted for Obama
So it's reasonable to infer that's what they want. If they wanted a Republican, one was on the ballot.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:09 AM
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25. Is there a link for this n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:11 AM
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26. The country wants a liberal agenda they just don't realize it
Obama can sell it.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:19 AM
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27. He laid out his agenda already. Whether it's really liberal or not
is a valid argument.

But voters approved it.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:28 AM
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29. Obama won "red" counties because Democrats turned out.
John King better face the new reality or else he'll be out of a job.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:35 AM
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30. Thank you for your concern, John King...
...but I'm sure Barack Obama is a little too smart to follow your sage counsel.

John King, among others on CNN, was also the one who kept saying how well McCain performed in the last debate and how much "Joe the Plumber" would resonate with the audience, right up until the actual audience weighed in with its polls showing they weren't buying John King et al's fantasy, at which point he finally, blessedly shut his piehole for the next five minutes, before uttering dusting himself off and popping off another of his off-the-wall opinions.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:37 AM
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31. Bush never won based on the issues, it was always about fear and lies
and the character attacks on opponents.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:47 AM
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32. Bush needed voter suppression and a supreme court nudge to win
and even then BARELY won.

Obama on the other hand won by a landslide!

Do the math here. Are we right-center? If we were, it would be the other way around.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:49 AM
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35. I'm sure Obama will take your sage words under advisement, asscarrot.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:50 AM
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36. bullshit, i was offended in 2000 and 2004
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:58 AM
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37. oh poor John King
Maybe if he and the other pundits say "center-right,
center-right" over and over and over again, and click
their heels while they're at it, it'll come true!! Just like
that magical yellowcake
and throwing flowers and candies in Happy Land
Iraq.<sarcasm>

I hope they know they're losing more than half their audience.
Maybe if people start cancelling the cable they'll get a clue.


I know Obama knows what's going on with these Fourth Estate
Thugs/Liars.

Hello to DU, I've been lurking since 2003~~
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:16 AM
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43. I wish these commentators would give examples
of what constitutes the liberal agenda. I haven't heard any of them state which policies would be acceptable and which wouldn't be acceptable for Obama to pursue.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:19 AM
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45. Liberal Agenda?
Like what.. peace, equality? Fighting poverty? Helping those in need?

Yeah, those fuckin' libruls..
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:24 AM
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46. CNN looks more like Foxnoise all the time.
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The Craw Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:28 AM
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47. The fact Obama was elected is proof Americans want a more liberal direction for America
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 10:29 AM by The Craw
The Republicans LOST- They need to get that through their heads- Even still,some Repugs want to govern further to the right than Bush..
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:29 AM
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48. John King: do you think they voted him for good looks?
Seriously. Do you think Americans are as dumb as to blindly vote for Obama without looking at his agenda?

Bush got less in 2004 and all you talking heads at CNN were declaring it a "mandate" and "political capital".
I can see the double standard, asshole.

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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:46 AM
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50. TOTAL BS!
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