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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:20 AM
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Everyone is missing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's true message.
Anyone who thinks his "inflated" confessions are merely the result of a swollen ego really doesn't get it. His exaggerated claims are a signal to the world that something is amiss. The following purposes come first to mind:

1) His only way to signal the world that he is lying under duress is to confess to too much, in hopes that his inquisitors will report all his confessions, thereby inadvertently carrying his message for him. The desperate outcry of a desperate man.

2) By adding false confessions to true ones he obscures the facts, feeding US intelligence disinformation and thereby hiding the gold among the dross.

3) By confessing to things others have done, he takes the heat off them. No point in continuing to investigate an already "solved" case.


In other words, he is continuing to fight with the only weapons he has.
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Error Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:23 AM
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1. The true message is that BushCo has nothing left
they are down to Baghdad Bob material at this point.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:23 AM
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2. Maybe you're right.
I can't even imagine what torture does to the mind.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:23 AM
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3. or maybe he gave the answers that they wanted
just so they would stop torturing, abusing and mistreating him. :shrug:

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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:25 AM
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4. Where is Ossam Bin Ladin?
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:55 PM
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23. In The Same
...luxury CIA safe house he's lived in for the past six years.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:27 AM
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5. I think he lied about kidnapping the Lindbergh baby, though.
Just a hunch.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:28 AM
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6. maybe he said nothing at all?
i can`t remember ever see him actually confess....
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:35 AM
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20. Two senators flew down there secretly for the hearing
Carl Levin and Lindsey Graham were there to hear it. (Unless the supposed KSM was an imposter, which is the kind of thing you can't rule out with the bunch that's in charge now.)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:23 PM
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30. thanks for the info
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:30 AM
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7. That's been something that a lot of these guys
have been successful with. Delay, obfuscate, run up costs. Since bin Laden has stated he intends to bankrupt the US, the goal is being met. Luckily for bin Laden, he has the Bush Administration at his side.
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:31 AM
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8. OR - his grandiose all-inclusive confession gleefully reported by the Admin tells the
rest of the World - yet again - what they already know - that a tiny group of radicals has yet again outmaneuvered and exposed the World's only SuperPower as less than omniscient.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:32 AM
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9. Sorry... the "message" may be that he doesn't even exist, he's a propaganda construct.
I won't speculate as to whether there is a "KSM", or if he is alive, or captured, or truly saying the things they say, whether he's saying what they want to say, or whether they are making up the transcripts altogether.

For me, it's enough that every aspect of the "KSM" story has stunk from 2002 forward. For example his original personal confession to doing 9/11 came before his capture, in an "interview" of highly dubious authenticity, in which "KSM" said about 9/11 pretty much what "he" says in the new hearing transcripts.

The details are very interesting and revealing. From the other thread on KSM:

How "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed" was pimped by an Al Jazeera reporter in 2002...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x437478

Official sources first crowned Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as the mastermind of the September 11th attacks in the spring and summer of 2002. Writing in October 2003, Chaim Kupferberg deconstructed the fortuitous promotion of "KSM's" role by the Al Jazeera journalist Yosri Fouda in his article, "The June 2002 Plan to Market a New 9/11 Mastermind."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=KUP20070315&articleId=5087

Kupferberg describes how Fouda landed an interview with "KSM" and alleged fellow 9/11 plotter Ramzi Binalshibh just as the pair came into public focus. This mother of all "KSM" confessions was broadcast in the form of a distorted audio tape in September 2002. I saw Fouda himself on German television explaining how the interview had been videotaped, but the terrorists refused to let him take the tape with him. Instead, they later sent him a distorted version of the audio by mail. Later, Fouda cast further doubt on his own credibility by suddenly saying the interview was not held in June 2002, as he had originally claimed, but actually in September, just before its broadcast. Why? As Fouda said: "I lied."

Kupferberg:

If habitual coincidence is the mother of all conspiracy theories, then one must surely raise a discerning eyebrow at the revelation that, around this time - after more than a decade of staying hidden in the shadows - Khalid Shaikh Mohammed suddenly was stricken with an urge to conduct his very first interview, with none other than Ramzi Binalshibh at his side. The journalist chosen for this honor was the London bureau chief of Al-Jazeera, Yosri Fouda...

...On September 9, 2002, the die was cast. Al-Jazeera was broadcasting Part I of Fouda's historic interview with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh. For the first time, millions would hear - from the planners themselves - exactly how the September 11 plot was put in motion. It was al-Jazeera's version of VH1's Behind The Music, featuring guest commentaries from Vincent Cannistraro and Lyndon LaRouche. Unfortunately, viewers would only get the audio feed of Khalid and Binalshibh, as Binalshibh and Khalid purportedly had confiscated from Fouda his videotape of the proceedings before he had taken leave of them back in June. (...)

...It was practically a seamless propaganda extravaganza, except for one small detail - Fouda had gone on record as dating the interview to June of 2002, thereby raising the prospect of two plausible scenarios. Scenario One: Khalid and Binalshibh's respective roles in the plot were first discovered solely due to Fouda's contact with them; or Scenario Two: The decision to send Fouda on his interview errand was made at the same time that a decision was made to market Khalid as the new 9/11 mastermind. Of the two scenarios, the first one was far more palatable - from a propaganda perspective - as at least it could be kept within the borders of plausible deniability, and only Fouda would get burned by it. The second scenario, however, would raise the prospect of one of those uncomfortable coincidences that could conceivably expose the 9/11 Legend as a pre-fabricated set-up.

Only two days after the initial broadcast of Fouda's interview with Khalid and Binalshibh - on the first anniversary commemorating the 9/11 attacks - Pakistani forces, accompanied by FBI agents, raided an apartment complex in Karachi. After a "four hour" gun battle involving "hundreds" of Pakistani soldiers and policemen, the authorities captured, among a few others, Ramzi Binalshibh himself. Their original target, however, had been Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, whom they had been tracking for months throughout Karachi. While Khalid had just barely slipped away only a few hours before Pakistani forces had arrived at his door, the authorities were reportedly "surprised" to discover that they had netted Binalshibh in the process. At least that is now the official version of the day's events...


News reports in the months that followed held that Khlaid Sheikh Mohammed was killed in the September 2002 raid. These are ably brought together by DU's own Paul Thompson at "The Complete 9/11 Timeline," hosted by the Center for Cooperative Research:
http://cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayksmcapture

Kupferberg describes how Fouda tried to solve his dilemma by admitting he had lied about details.

...With the well-timed arrest of Ramzi Binalshibh in September 2002, journalist Yosri Fouda was in a bind. Only days before, he had gone on record - repeatedly - as dating his interview with Khalid and Binalshibh to June 2002. Up to the time of Binalshibh's arrest, the official legend had it that Khalid's pivotal role as 9/11 mastermind was revealed to U.S. authorities through their interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, who was captured in March 2002. Now, in the aftermath of Binalshibh's capture, word was circulating that perhaps authorities had learned of Khalid's true role by way of Fouda. That contention, of course, would remain most plausible if Fouda's interview could definitively be back-dated to a time before early June 2002 - that is, to a time before Khalid was first publicly announced as 9/11 mastermind. The alternative scenario quite simply pointed to a conclusion that would have to be denied at all costs - that the decision to out Khalid publicly as the 9/11 mastermind was coordinated with the decision to send Fouda on his interview errand with Khalid. Had Fouda erred, then, by initially claiming that his historic interview had taken place in June 2002? Had he possibly exposed a seam pointing the way to a coordinated set-up?

Soon after the Binalshibh arrest, Fouda took the opportunity to revise the date of his interview for the record, revealing to Abdallah Schleifer of the Kamal Adham Center For Journalism:

Fouda: "Actually, this question of dates is very important for another reason. All of these Islamist websites that were denouncing me alluded to my interview as taking place in June. That's what I mentioned both in my article in The Sunday Times Magazine and in my documentary - that I met them in June."

Schleifer: "So?"

Fouda: "I lied."

Schleifer: "Really?"

Fouda: "Yeah."

Schleifer: "But you're going to come clean with , right?"

Fouda (laughter): "Yes, of course. I lied because I needed to lie. I'll tell you why. Because I thought, maybe even expected, that if something when wrong and I needed to get in touch with them through a website or a statement or a fax ... they would be the only ones who would know that I had met them one month earlier than I let on, and so I'd know I was talking to the right people.

So after the first wave of denunciations a pro-Qa'ida website "jehad.net" put up a statement online in the name of Al-Qa'ida clearing me of any blame or connection with Ramzi's arrest and I knew this was an authentic communique because it alluded to the interview taking place in May."

Apparently, Fouda had lied again, for on March 4, 2003 (i.e. a few days after Khalid's eventual arrest), Fouda offered up this newest version of his 48-hour encounter to The Guardian:

"It was late afternoon, Sunday 21 April 2002, when I packed my bags before joining Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-shibh for a last prayer before saying goodbye."

That, as they say in legal parlance, is a very definite recollection. In short, Fouda had impeached his own testimony through these two explicitly detailed, contradictory dates. Fouda, through this compounded lie, was now calling into question the very credibility of his entire interview with Khalid and Binalshibh...

...Recall that, back in June 2002, the "official" legend at the time had it that it was Abu Zubaydah, back in March 2002, who had spilled the goods on Khalid. Yet with Khalid's March 2003 apprehension, this one aspect of the legend was duly revised. As revealed by Keith Olbermann in a March 3, 2003 MSNBC.com item: "Ironically, it would be (Fouda's) interview that would point out, to U.S. intelligence, that (Khalid Shaikh) Mohammed and Binalshibh were the brains behind the 9/11 attacks"...


So much for the credibility of London Al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda, his supposed meeting with "KSM" and Ramzi Binalshibh, his shifting accounts of how and when it happened, and the story of the distorted audio tape that supposedly records this meeting.

Pakistani and US authorities claimed to have captured "KSM," alive after all, in March 2003. "He" has been held ever since as an enemy combatant - waterboarded, according to Bush's own words in justification of torture policies - and kept from seeing anyone at all, let alone a defense counsel. And he has provided all these supposed confessions, all delivered to the public *solely* in the form of transcripts from the FBI and Pentagon. The 9/11 Commission was denied requests to see him, but nevertheless based large sections of its best-selling report on his supposed testimony. The Moussaoui defense was denied requests even to receive audio or video tapes of the supposed prisoner.

Is it any wonder that now, finally, even Time magazine is casting doubt on the authenticity of the "KSM" confessions?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:33 AM
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10. This is exactly accurate
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 10:34 AM by alcibiades_mystery
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has - in effect - outsmarted the authorities with this manifestly ridiculous confession, Brer Rabbit style, as it were.

The shocking part about it is his deep understanding of the US government psychology. He knew that they would release everything, because, initially, it increases his importance, and allows them to puff up their chests. But when rational people look at his list of confessions, they become nothing more than a joke. The problem with confessions is that they must be TRUE to have any value. When the truth of any part of the confession is called into question, the whole confession becomes suspect. Not only did Mr. Mohammed succeed in calling his entire confession into doubt, but he did it with the inadvertent help of the US government. It's amazing, really. I would fire whoever released this joke of a laundry list.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:14 PM
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29. I couldn't have said it better
Well put.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 08:23 PM
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33. Which explains why Bush has not himself trumpeted these confessions in a big-arse
"Ground Zero" speech.

I mean, this guy is the mastermind of 9/11 AND the killer of Daniel Pearl, and Bush has NOTHING PUBLIC to say??

Don't tell me he found his one scruple.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:34 AM
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11. he's just mocking them
and they are too fucking stupid to get it

like when rick santorum went off that "the wmd's have been found"

they are so detached from reality they are like extraterrestrials in a comedy movie (can't remember what it was) trying to "pass" as human

maybe i'm thinking of the guy in Men In Black played by the guy now in Law and Order Criminal Intent...

I called him "lurch"



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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:36 AM
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12. Al Qaeda speaks in American idioms ??
KSM is "reported" to have said he planned 911 "from A to Z"

Just another dubious aspect to these so-called confessions.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:56 AM
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18. Hmmm. Don't underestimate the language abilities of non-Americans.
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 10:57 AM by Buzz Clik
Our retarded attitude about language is not embraced by the world.

I have known many, many Arabs whose ability to create puns and other language jokes in English was startling.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:09 AM
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19. agree with you 700%
I just found this supposed confession to seem a bit suspect.. down to the choice of words
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:44 AM
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13. The political cartoonists certainly didn't miss the point. One of them
even had him confessing to the sinking of the Titanic in 1912...
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:44 AM
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14. Also interesting...
He claims responsibility for "planning, training, surveying, and financing the New (or Second) Wave attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11
a. Library Tower, California
b. Sears Tower, Chicago
c. Plaza Bank, Washington State
d. Empire State Building, New York City"
(pdf pg 18 #7-I tried to copy, but it wouldn't work.)
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdf/ksm_transcript_031407.pdf

Which is interesting, especially considering the Plaza Bank was:

"Founded in early 2006, with a vision of creating the leading commercial bank in the Pacific Northwest, Plaza Bank’s story quickly captured the hearts and passion of some of the region’s leading business minds. From Jack Creighton, former CEO of Weyerhaeuser and United Airlines, to former Seattle Mariner Edgar Martinez, and nationally acclaimed salon operator Gene Juárez, the story of a bank founded to bring “class to the mass” simply could not be contained."
http://www.plazabankwa.com/about.asp

and he was captured in 2003. Hmmmmm....
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:49 AM
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16. Exactly.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:19 PM
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27. And while I can't be 100% sure I'm almost positive KSM's the culprit that's been
leaving that urine smell near our front door.:eyes:
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:46 AM
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15. Read This

The Confession Backfired

Paul Craig Roberts
Lew Rockwell.com
Saturday, March 17, 2007

Here is the best part of his article:

The most important part of the Mohammed story is yet to make the headlines. Despite having held and tortured hundreds of detainees for years in Gitmo, and we don’t know how many more in secret prisons around the world, the US government has come up with only 14 "high value detainees."

In other words, the government has nothing on 99 percent of the detainees who allegedly are so dangerous and wicked that they must be kept in detention without charges, access to attorneys and contact with families.

And little wonder. The vast majority of detainees, alleged "enemy combatants," are not terrorists captured by the CIA and brave US troops. They are hapless persons who happened to be outside their tribal or home territories and were kidnapped by criminal gangs or war lords who profited greatly at the expense of the naive Americans who offered bounties for "terrorists."

The US government does not care that innocent people have been ensnared, because the US government desperately needs both to prove that there are vast numbers of terrorists and to demonstrate its proficiency in protecting Americans by capturing terrorists. Moreover, the US government needs "dangerous suspects" that it can use to keep Americans in a state of supine fearfulness and as a front behind which to undermine constitutional protections and the Bill of Rights.

www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts201.html

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:53 AM
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17. And the Bush administration gave him an international stage.
Fucking brilliant.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:44 AM
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21. One thing America lacks is maturity.
These other countries on this planet have been around a long long time. They've seen it all. Torture must be one of the age old concepts behind bullying. America is but an adolescent.

We are an immature nation. And it is foolish to look upon the Middle Eastern countries with "third world" eyes. They are years ahead of us. We are the fools.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:02 PM
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24. We Need To Get Interested
...in the opposite sex.

Check out a book titled "The Sibling Society," by Robert Bly, the poet & "men's movement" icon. It discusses the infanilization of our culture.

The more infantile we can be made, the more dependent we become on the powers that be. Our media, our culture, treats us with the ideology of a drug pusher.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:51 AM
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22. The only reason he confessed was to cover up the fact
that he is the real father of Anna Nicoles baby.
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ends_dont_justify Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:05 PM
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25. May go even further than that
It'd be interesting if the the united states had a hand in those terrorist acts as well. As a lot of people speculate, for political reasons, 9/11 was allowed to happen. I wonder if the CIA is the only ones learning anything out of this.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:28 PM
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31. You're presenting the mild, moderate version of 9-11,
at least in DU terms. You're proposing LIHOP, while many are willing to countenance the MIHOP alternative. If you haven't found it already, you may be interested in the 9-11 forum on this board.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:10 PM
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26. I kinda got that. I was thinking that
he was confessing so he could bring attention to the torture that is going on there.

Not so some twit named elizabeth hasslebeck on The View could say, "see, that's why torture works." "I feel safer.".
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:59 PM
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28. Maybe it's the Bush regime sending US a message.
The message being, that they can make anyone confess to anything.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 08:05 PM
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32. Exactly, very well put. I wonder how many intelligence experts argued against...
making this announcement? Probably a couple dozen. But one "loyal" (in Bu**sh**speak sense) bootlick says "go for it!" and that's the only voice they hear.

I would think that options 2 & 3 would be familiar to any and all guerilla/revolutionary movements.
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