The completely unassailable RW talking point which can never be defeated

[toddaa]

While Plame was “classified” as is everything in the CIA, she in fact was NOT a covert operative and hadn’t been for years. She was NOT protected by covert status protections and the person who wrote those laws says so.

So stop throwing facts at it. Just stop.

I don't care how many sworn testimonies under oath you keep bringing up, it's useless to deny the fact that VALERIE PLAME HAS BEEN SEEN SITTING AT A DESK AND ATTENDING COCKTAIL PARTIES IN GEORGETOWN.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU, BLAH BLAH BLAH

[ComerPerro]

1. some people just cannot be converted, you're right

[NashVegas]

2. The People Who Enforce the Law Say Otherwise

...

[maddezmom]

3. Screw Vicky

the hag. :puke:

[whistle]

4. It is another method used to spin the BIG LIE!

[WinkyDink]

5. Well, we'll see which woman's testimony is held up as "not factual".

Moreover, how would anyone know if ALL those G-town partiers aren't covert ops?!

We're NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW who our spies are!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Throw THIS in their face...

Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

by Larry C Johnson

America got a terrific look at a classy lady yesterday when Valerie Plame testified before Henry Waxman's Government Reform and Oversight Committee about the events surrounding her betrayal by the Bush Administration. And America got a disturbing look at a Republican party devoid of reason and just plain common sense when Georgia Congressman Lynn Westmoreland and Libby loyalist Victoria Toensing did the intellectual equivalent of declaring, THERE IS NO SUN.

You see, it was rainy and cloudy in Washington, DC yesterday. Since they could not see the Sun there was in fact no Sun. They had to see it to believe it. Okay. I'm making that part up. Westmoreland and Toensing were far more obtuse and stupid than a person who would insist the Sun did not exist because they could not see it. Westy and Toenag demonstrated a level of stupidity and obtuseness that one usually only encounters among schizophrenics hospitalized with the criminally insane. Despite Valerie's sworn testimony and a statement endorsed by the current director of the CIA, these dopes droned on and on that Valerie Plame was not undercover when she was exposed in Robert Novak's July 2003 ill-fated column.

I find it absolutely mind boggling that adults like Westmoreland and Toensing can be so out of touch with reality and still allowed to walk around without a straight jacket keeping them under control. It would be one thing if we were arguing about the color of Valerie's hair color in 1989 and had only a black and white picture as evidence. Such a discussion would truly be one based on one's own opinions. But that is not the case here folks. It is a simple question. Was Valerie a covert officer when her name appeared in Bob Novak's column in July 2003?

Valerie's testimony on Friday the CIA had never put anything on the public record regarding her status. Yesterday the CIA came out of the closet. CIA Director Michael Hayden approved a statement that contained the following language:


During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was under cover.

Her employment status with the CIA was classified information prohibited from disclosure under Executive Order 12958.

At the time of the publication of Robert Novak's column on July 14,2003, Ms. Wilson's CIA employment status was covert.

This was classified information.


Got it? The Director of the CIA confirmed in public for the first time that Valerie Plame Wilson was undercover, was covert and that this information was classified. What is it about English that goober Congressman Westmoreland and ditzy Vicky Toensing don't understand?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x442067

[jimshoes]

7. Yeah I know

I can't tell you how many times the name Brewster Jennings came up in everyday conversations and the work they were (secretly) involved in before the Novak article. Why I even thought it blasé to even bring it up some days. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: ;)
ed:sp

[Buzz Clik]

8. It's not a matter of arguing facts. That is NOT the point.

You cannot argue facts with the knuckledraggers. They take refuge in saying comforting things and hearing their friends repeat them. This is typical of every topic that passes their way.

Keep in mind that the truth has a liberal bias, and gleeful ignorance is the safe haven the radical right.

[niyad]

9. apparently, research by some intrepid DU'ers shows that VT didn't write the law, merely lobbied for

it.

and, the question remains-- HOW IN THE HELL WOULD VT KNOW VPW's status? SHE didn't have access to VPW's files, she DIDN"T have a job that required her to KNOW who was or wasn't an operative, she had NO security clearance. SO HOW DID SHE KNOW?? have them answer that one, as well as responding to the fact that DCI Hayden (as in Gen. Hayden, head of CIA, and Valerie's BOSS) confirmed VPW's story.

[Arkansas Granny]

11. That is exactly the what I have been saying. Even if VT had

written the law (how many years ago?) she did not have the clearance to ascertain whether or not VPW was or was not a covert agent. She cannot make that determination.

[Graybeard]

10. They wave "the law" around but misstate what it says.

They claim Valerie was not covert because she had not lived overseas for over five years. But the law says "served" overseas, not lived. Valerie testified that she had been overseas on CIA business within that five year frame. That is serving.