"Whether the war was illegal or not, we are there, so let's finish the job"

[Philosoraptor]

Another cspan caller reveals himself to be either deeply insane, or heavily medicated.

bush said this the other night in his stupidity of the union speech, it ain't the war we entered, but it's the one we're in, who writes this shit, dick hogwash?

Americans actually accept this shit as ice cream, yes, the war was illegal and all those people died in vain, but no, we shouldn't leave till the job is done.

No one can REALLY be that stupid can they? Are they saying these things out of stupidity, or are they just so afraid of admitting failure and defeat that they are willing to kill ALL of our soldiers?

[malaise]

1. Some of the dumbest people are

calling this morning. Ah well Republic callers only.
Still Dems better not trust Hagel.

[MADem]

5. Hagel is PROFOUNDLY conservative.

His strengths right now are that he speaks plainly about the war, in simple declarative English, and he makes a nice appearance. His stances on social issues won't cut it for crossover votes, unless he managed to run against a Democrat who wanted to put two hundred thousand more troops on the ground...and that's unlikely. Still, he's one of the stronger looking players on the GOP side.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

2. yes, they are that stupid.

yes, they are that afraid.

these americans aren't "conservatives", they're just chickenshits who were never taught to think.



which, i guess, was the big plan all along.

thanks, BFEE.

[MADem]

3. You want to grab those asswipes and ask them, WHAT IS THE JOB?

Who do we KILL? The Shi'a, who run the bulk of the government? The minority Sunni? How about the Kurds, what to do with them?

Who do we kill, and WHY?

Finish what job? There's a fucking civil war going on over there. Do we side with the Shi'a, because if we do that, we're siding with IRAN...or the Sunni, and side with our oil pals in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Sunni Arab world...

What's our mission??? It keeps changing. We went from "finding WMD" to "finding WMD-related program activities" to, uh, "bringing democracy" to "promoting stability" and we haven't managed to do any of them or the goalpost-moving bullshit missions in between.

We need to get out of there, and admit we never should have gone in there in the first place.

Of course, we've got billion dollar bases over there now, and Monkey is loathe to leave them....he still has hope that he can swipe some of that oil.

[Philosoraptor]

4. I hate hearing the words, 'win', 'victory', 'surrender', 'defeat'...

You can't win a disaster.

[Ms. Tree]

41. "finish" is pretty scary to me.

[BR_Parkway]

9. These are the one's who would support just "turn it all into glass"

without any regard for the people they are talking about wiping out.

[MADem]

10. In other words, they don't neeeeeeed no steeenkin' "mission!!!" NT

[B Calm]

6. It's treasonous to continue to follow a dictator who lied us into a war!

[Philosoraptor]

7. They ACCEPT the treason, & want it to continue, we're so boned.

[maine_raptor]

8. Hmmm,

So if I break into someone's house, which is illegal, I might as well murder the homeowners in their beds, just to finish the job (i.e. leave no wittinesses behind), eh?

Yup, it's that kind of logic the made America great! :sarcasm:

Sometimes all you can do is just look down at your shoes and shake you're head in amazement at wealth of stupidity in this country.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. If you step in shit you might as well shine your shoes with it!

And the stoned are calling too!

Edit...living proof, that a GOPer don't know shit from Shinola...

[Philosoraptor]

16. Looks like shit, smells like shit, tastes like shit, glad we didn't step in it

[Hubert Flottz]

20. A smart democratic scout knows that...

"A Good Scout Don't Shit Too Close To The Trail!"

[Karenina]

25. Dig in!!!

[magellan]

11. "So if you can't win the war you want, honey

...win the war you're in...win the war you're in...win the war you're in...."

With deepest apologies to Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young for Cheneying their song.

[Philosoraptor]

12. doo doot doot doot doot doot doo doot- doo doo doot-doo doo doot

[Maddy McCall]

13. I don't know if dealing crack is illegal or not, but since someone has six ounces to sell....

he really should finish the job.

Ridiculous logic, isn't it?

[salin]

15. "Whether... illegal or not, we are there so, let's finish the job"

made me think of a morning talkshow I heard the other day - said that a contractor hired to build the "fence" between US/Mexico border used... illegal immigrants to do the building. Wonder how that same caller would react to that conversation - esp if the same line as his was used to justify it.

[Philosoraptor]

17. And the Jews should operate the ovens themselves. How Hitlerian.

[salin]

21. yikes!

I seriously was just comparing the language of "already there, finish the job" and tied it to something the wingnuts would have their heads explode over per applying their own logic/line. Pointing out the logic fallacy can be easily debunked in their own political rhetoric.

Not sure it warranted such a horrendous allusion.

[Philosoraptor]

22. I think it's how they think. They PROFIT from the Iraqi civil war.

[salin]

24. understood

now I see the POV from which the allusion came.

Tragic that some find positives (and profit) from such a horrendous situation.

[Vinca]

18. It amounts to sacrificing more American lives by delaying the end game.

It's very sad, but that's the way it is. The Iraqis will slaughter each other whenever we leave. They've done it for centuries and even the divine intervention of King George won't stop it.

[Philosoraptor]

19. Imagine Great Britain interfering with the American Civil War.

What would be the point, but to steal our resources and sell both sides arms.

[maine_raptor]

23. "1862", written by Robert Conroy

Out in paperback, Philo. Damn good winter's read about just that subject. :thumbsup:

[Philosoraptor]

42. About this book

The Civil War comes alive in all its passion and fury–only now the Brits are fighting . . . alongside the Confederacy

Outraged when the U.S. Navy seizes three Confederates aboard an English sailing ship, Britain retaliates by entering the fray in support of the Rebels–and suddenly it’s a whole new war.

Once again, cotton is king as the North’s blockade crumbles before the might of the Royal Navy. While Lincoln confronts the monumental challenge of vanquishing mighty Britannia, the Redcoats revive their 1812 penchant for burning down American cities, and Union troops see Canada as ripe for the picking. From the Mississippi bayou to the Pennsylvania farmlands to the woods of Maine, the great armies of Generals Grant and Lee face off in the nation’s deadliest conflict. And to the victor goes history.

----------Looks VERY interesting.

[Jacobin]

26. Oh, I think the job is already finished

They've 'fixed' Baghdad just like they've 'fixed' New Orleans.

Fuck you very much, now please leave.

[dogday]

27. Whether you step in shit or not, you should just keep stepping

in shit no matter what, don't change course, just keep stepping in shit....

[hobbit709]

28. Finishing an ILLEGAL war

does not make it LEGAL. It was illegal in 2003 and it is illegal today and it will be illegal tomorrow.
The longer we are involved in an illegal war, the more charges will be brought.

[Philosoraptor]

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[bdamomma]

30. these people who call are totally delusional and survive on

only sound bites.

[TechBear_Seattle]

31. "Whether the home break-in was illegal or not, we are here so let's finish the job"

Or maybe

"Whether the attempted murder was illegal or not, we are here so let's finish the job."

There is something deeply disturbing here....

[LiberalFighter]

32. They should be asked what happened in Vietnam

Do they think we won that war?

[Philosoraptor]

33. We didn't break it, and we shouldn't have to pay for it.

[Philosoraptor]

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[pinniped]

36. CSPAN always lets callers from Bizarro World spout off.

.

[Critters2]

37. What is "the job" exactly?

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Well...

he got his sister pregnant. So he might as well marry her.

[Philosoraptor]

39. Corpse bride.

[timtom]

40. Beyond the insanity of it all

is that I don't believe any of those cretins can identify when the "job is complete" unless they mean to literally level the place, kill every living creature therein, and seal it off so no one may enter there ever again.

[Hubert Flottz]

43. Genghis Cheney are want your oil!

Bush is just his little tool!