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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:55 PM
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Poll question: David Horowitz
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 11:02 PM by Orrex
His insights re: academic freedom and the Left's crusade against intellectual diversity have filled me with disgust such as I haven't felt since I realized that, in theory, Ann Coulter could still spawn.

But for the sake of easy reference, please help me identify the precise nature of Horowitz's character, so that I needn't bother with verbose descriptions of him in the future.

edited to fix a typo
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:56 PM
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1. Many years ago, he was a consumer advocate on a TV station in L.A.
Guess he found the dark side more attractive.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:01 PM
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4. That was a different David Horowitz.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:06 PM
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7. Are you certain?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:14 PM
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10. I'm certain. It's two different guys. I used to joke with my folks about it.
The consumer advocate Horowitz used to be on the Today show a lot. The Coulter enabler is bearded and pissy.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:57 PM
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2. The Mother of All Assholes.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:00 PM
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3. I *really* don't understand how this dude has any credibility
I mean, people like Hannity and Limbaugh at least have been the way they are their whole careers. Horowitz used to be a Maoist, evidently. Now, I've heard of changing your position on an issue, but from Maoist to... well whatever it is that he is... that's too much. This guy obviously lost his Maoist zeal (good thing) and adopted this crazy RW stance for the money (bad thing). Maybe if we all contributed five bucks he'd retire.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:03 PM
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5. I don't like anatomical references. Suffice it to say....
... he's an extremist. By temperament and psychology. Was a lefty exremists as a 'ute, found religion, so to speak, and became an extremist in the other direction.

How very Saul of Tarsus; and how utterly unoriginal. He should leave political commentary to the psychological grown-ups.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:04 PM
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6. He's had egg on his face for spouting off without right information before. . .
so, in my mind, he's without credibility. . .just a tool of the Right. Just another one of the lock-step con-artist con-servative revolutionaries who demand that the entire culture be reverted to censorship of any ideas but their own.

You can always tell a wingnut cuz they always declare "morality" as the reason for abridging "free speech." And if you really pay attention, every speech but their own is "immoral."

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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:09 PM
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8. Assholissimo, as I believe the Italians would put it.
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donco Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:10 PM
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9. He’s a budding Hitler.


Didn’t young Adolph flounder around before he found his calling, evidently its taken Horowitz a bit longer to find his.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:20 PM
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12. That's setting the bar a little low, don't you think?
I'm all for calling a spade a spade, but calling a boor a nazi seems a bit over the top to me. He's a witchhunter, but at least he's going to where his views are a minority to do his bullying schtick.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:18 PM
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11. Consumate Fascist Tool. eom
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:25 PM
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13. Other: sociopath like all his neocon buddies. n/t
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:47 PM
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14. Pfft. Did you watch his debate on academic freedom
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 11:47 PM by fishwax
with Illinois Professor Cary Nelson on CSPAN 2 tonight?

I loved how he started out saying he wanted a nice, friendly dialogue, and then he was shocked (shocked!) that Cary Nelson called him on his polemicism. :rofl:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:49 PM
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15. other: turncoat...
for neocon fun & profit :thumbsdown:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 12:16 AM
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16. Someone will want my AAUP card for this, but there is very little wrong with the Academic BOR
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 12:37 AM by aikoaiko
Here it is, tell me what is wrong with it. Truthfully, there is one part I don't like but I'll expand on that some more if anyone chooses to play along. As a college professor I find there is very little to worry about in the so called Academic Bill of Rights. Yes, I know Horowitz wants to use it as a springboard to getting more right wing perspectives expressed by administrators, professors, and students, but I really don't worry about that. Liberalism and progressivism will continue to do just fine.


Academic Bill of Rights

I. The Mission of the University.

The central purposes of a University are the pursuit of truth, the discovery of new knowledge through scholarship and research, the study and reasoned criticism of intellectual and cultural traditions, the teaching and general development of students to help them become creative individuals and productive citizens of a pluralistic democracy, and the transmission of knowledge and learning to a society at large. Free inquiry and free speech within the academic community are indispensable to the achievement of these goals. The freedom to teach and to learn depend upon the creation of appropriate conditions and opportunities on the campus as a whole as well as in the classrooms and lecture halls. These purposes reflect the values -- pluralism, diversity, opportunity, critical intelligence, openness and fairness -- that are the cornerstones of American society.

II. Academic Freedom

1. The Concept . Academic freedom and intellectual diversity are values indispensable to the American university. From its first formulation in the General Report of the Committee on Academic Freedom and Tenure of the American Association of University Professors, the concept of academic freedom has been premised on the idea that human knowledge is a never-ending pursuit of the truth, that there is no humanly accessible truth that is not in principle open to challenge, and that no party or intellectual faction has a monopoly on wisdom. Therefore, academic freedom is most likely to thrive in an environment of intellectual diversity that protects and fosters independence of thought and speech. In the words of the General Report, it is vital to protect “as the first condition of progress, complete and unlimited freedom to pursue inquiry and publish its results.”

Because free inquiry and its fruits are crucial to the democratic enterprise itself, academic freedom is a national value as well. In a historic 1967 decision ( Keyishian v. Board of Regents of the University of the State of New York ) the Supreme Court of the United States overturned a New York State loyalty provision for teachers with these words: “Our Nation is deeply committed to safeguarding academic freedom,
transcendent value to all of us and not merely to the teachers concerned.” In Sweezy v. New Hampshire, (1957) the Court observed that the “essentiality of freedom in the community of American universities almost self-evident.”

2. The Practice . Academic freedom consists in protecting the intellectual independence of professors, researchers and students in the pursuit of knowledge and the expression of ideas from interference by legislators or authorities within the institution itself. This means that no political, ideological or religious orthodoxy will be imposed on professors and researchers through the hiring or tenure or termination process, or through any other administrative means by the academic institution. Nor shall legislatures impose any such orthodoxy through their control of the university budget.

This protection includes students. From the first statement on academic freedom, it has been recognized that intellectual independence means the protection of students – as well as faculty – from the imposition of any orthodoxy of a political, religious or ideological nature. The 1915 General Report admonished faculty to avoid “taking unfair advantage of the student’s immaturity by indoctrinating him with the teacher’s own opinions before the student has had an opportunity fairly to examine other opinions upon the matters in question, and before he has sufficient knowledge and ripeness of judgment to be entitled to form any definitive opinion of his own.” In 1967, the AAUP’s Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students reinforced and amplified this injunction by affirming the inseparability of “the freedom to teach and freedom to learn.” In the words of the report, “Students should be free to take reasoned exception to the data or views offered in any course of study and to reserve judgment about matters of opinion.”

Therefore, to secure the intellectual independence of faculty and students and to protect the principle of intellectual diversity, the following principles and procedures shall be observed.

These principles fully apply only to public universities and to private universities that present themselves as bound by the canons of academic freedom. Private institutions choosing to restrict academic freedom on the basis of creed have an obligation to be as explicit as is possible about the scope and nature of these restrictions.

1. All faculty shall be hired, fired, promoted and granted tenure on the basis of their competence and appropriate knowledge in the field of their expertise and, in the humanities, the social sciences, and the arts, with a view toward fostering a plurality of methodologies and perspectives. No faculty shall be hired or fired or denied promotion or tenure on the basis of his or her political or religious beliefs.

2. No faculty member will be excluded from tenure, search and hiring committees on the basis of their political or religious beliefs.

3. Students will be graded solely on the basis of their reasoned answers and appropriate knowledge of the subjects and disciplines they study, not on the basis of their political or religious beliefs.

4. Curricula and reading lists in the humanities and social sciences should reflect the uncertainty and unsettled character of all human knowledge in these areas by providing students with dissenting sources and viewpoints where appropriate. While teachers are and should be free to pursue their own findings and perspectives in presenting their views, they should consider and make their students aware of other viewpoints. Academic disciplines should welcome a diversity of approaches to unsettled questions.

5. Exposing students to the spectrum of significant scholarly viewpoints on the subjects examined in their courses is a major responsibility of faculty. Faculty will not use their courses for the purpose of political, ideological, religious or anti-religious indoctrination.

6. Selection of speakers, allocation of funds for speakers programs and other student activities will observe the principles of academic freedom and promote intellectual pluralism.

7. An environment conducive to the civil exchange of ideas being an essential component of a free university, the obstruction of invited campus speakers, destruction of campus literature or other effort to obstruct this exchange will not be tolerated.

8. Knowledge advances when individual scholars are left free to reach their own conclusions about which methods, facts, and theories have been validated by research. Academic institutions and professional societies formed to advance knowledge within an area of research, maintain the integrity of the research process, and organize the professional lives of related researchers serve as indispensable venues within which scholars circulate research findings and debate their interpretation. To perform these functions adequately, academic institutions and professional societies should maintain a posture of organizational neutrality with respect to the substantive disagreements that divide researchers on questions within, or outside, their fields of inquiry.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 12:58 AM
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18. Who About Hypocritical Asshole
That's sure a lot of verbage for someone who wants to have a "free flow" of ideas.

To those who said he was a "liberal"...just because he said he was...it's obvious that hate had been inbred from an early age and never could have accepted the concept of open thought and reality that being a liberal entails.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 01:06 AM
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19. I'll agree, its long winded, but is there anything particularly wrong with the Academic BOR?

Which part do you disagree with?
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 01:21 AM
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20. Honestly...
I find none of it necessary. Just like I hate the concept of "national standards" being applied to education, I feel the same applies to "intellectual freedom"...something you develop, don't legislate. I know many, many teachers...and I spend several years in acadmeia myself in various capacities and the politics was always left at the classroom door. Trying to define what is "free speech" or thought is anethema to the entire concept of a free flow of ideas and critical thinking.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 12:29 AM
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17. Reptile rectum
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