Iraqi People to White House - Leave (the "timetable" debate is over) "Scoop"/Collins (autorank)

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From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0703/S00319.htm

Iraqi People to White House – Leave!

Michael Collins

“Scoop” Independent News
Washington, D.C.

You may have missed this. I did.

Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show
Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public
By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 27, 2006; A22

BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.

The White House maintained only one consistent goal throughout the invasion and occupation of Iraq: safety and democracy for the Iraqi people. That implies that we care what the Iraqi people think. Heard much about what the Iraqi people think lately? Ever?

I didn’t until I looked. The information wasn’t difficult to find and the sources on Iraqi public opinion are credible. USA Today did a 3,400 plus Iraqi poll in 2005, World Public Opinion.Org of the University of Maryland conducted a 1,150 poll in 2006, and the U.S. State Department ran its own poll of the Iraqi people in late 2006 as well. There are others.

As citizens of the United States, we are concerned about the safety of our troops, the impact of this war on the Iraqi people, and the overall cost of this lengthy and complex foreign adventure. We know that over 3,200 U.S. soldiers have died and many times that number have serious injuries. More of us need to know that between 450 and 650 thousand Iraqi civilians have died since the first moments of the invasion.

But what of the one consistent rationale for the invasion; the grandiose cause of bringing democracy to the Middle East and improving the lives of the Iraqi people?

If the benefits of the invasion are substantial and openly appreciated, we should find that our troops and personnel are welcomed by the people. If we are not welcome, then it’s obvious that Iraqi’s see our presence causing more harm than benefit. Who would argue with that? Isn’t respecting the popular will what democracy is all about?

A Majority of Iraqis Support Violent Attacks on U.S. Forces

These figures answer any and all questions about an ongoing occupation quickly and decisively. Why isn’t this central to the debate and decision making on our presence in Iraq? Since a majority favors attacks on our soldiers, we must assume that a rapid U.S. exit tops the Iraqi public opinion charts.


USA Today 5/05 - WPO.Org 1/06 - WPO.Org 9/06

This is outrageous. How can we ask our soldiers to serve extended duty in a nation where a majority of the people endorses to attacking them? Why isn’t this headline news daily? Why isn’t action on this clearly stated opinion at the center of the current debate on our future in Iraq? What on earth is any politician or governmental official thinking who supports staying in Iraq when a majority of Iraqis endorse attacks on U.S. forces?

Widespread exposure and analysis of this clearly stated opinion by the Iraqi people would change U.S. public opinion rapidly and permanently. Where are our leaders?

A Majority of Iraqis Want the United States Out Without Delay

The open support of deadly force against our troops is as much information as we need to reach a rational decision on leaving. It’s more than enough information to discard the absurd argument for an extended timetable prior to departure. But for the sake of the quibblers, who use any argument to prolong this tragic conflict, let’s see what the Iraqi’s think.


May 05 and 1st Sep 06 poll – immediate exit of US forces;
2nd Sep 06 poll – leave in less than 1 year.
USA Today 5/05 – US State Dept 9/06 - WPO.Org 9/06

In mid 2005 just over 50% of the Iraqi people wanted us out immediately. By September 2006, 65% wanted us out immediately according to a non published U.S. Department of State public opinion poll. Also in September 2006, the World Polling Organization released their findings showing 71% of Iraqis want us out in less than a year. The 71% figure was divided into segments: 37% preferring an exit in less than six months and 34% between six months and a year.

Withheld from the U.S. public, the Washington Post gained access to the U.S. State Department poll and published the most salient result, out now. The Post headline above is a double entendre of sorts: Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public. While this refers to Iraqi leaders, it is just as accurate a description of our leaders.

Our domestic debate on a timetable is framed by the irony of popular Iraqi opinion on the subject. By over a two to one margin, 53% to 23%, the Iraqi people see a specific timetable for a U.S. departure as benefiting the Iraqi government. Given that, on what basis can U.S. politicians argue that an extended timetable is necessary to protect Iraqis? They see a timetable as beneficial to their government.

Iraqi Objections to the Occupation

A positive attitude by Iraqi’s towards the U.S. presence was required whether the White House simply wanted oil or truly believed in a broader policy of liberating the Iraqi people, In fact, the war boosters predicted a jubilant welcome by the newly freed citizens. By a four to one margin, Iraqis view U.S. personnel as occupiers rather than liberators. A high percentage of Iraqis see the failure to provide adequate electricity and clean water as deliberate indifference on the part of the U.S. authorities. Few feel it’s safe to even talk to Coalition forces. This is just a part of the hostility to our presence by Iraq’s population.

A Question for U.S. Leaders and Politicians: What is your major malfunction?

Answer: You are indifferent to the opinion of the people whose nation you caused to be invaded and you now cause to be occupied. The results are a disaster. Convince us otherwise.

A majority of the people in Iraq:

• Endorse the use of violence against U.S. troops;


• Want us to leave very soon; and


• See the United States as indifferent to their suffering.

The White House is supposedly quite skilled at reading and using poll data. Members of Congress use poll data on a regular basis. Why can’t they do what nearly anyone can do; search for polls on Iraqi popular opinion and use that data to make rational choices?

Clearly, our leaders don’t care what Iraqi people think. What an odd approach. If you’re going to invade and conquer a nation, call it a liberation, and claim that it’s for the good of the people, you should at least be conversant with their opinions. Operating without this information is negligence; operating with it and continuing to talk about an exit timetable is cynical beyond words.

Leaving U.S. soldiers in the middle of a nation with such a violent response to our presence is a betrayal of the trust those soldiers have in their civilian leadership. The troops don’t get to pick their wars. They do what they pledged: faithfully execute the orders of their superiors under the assumption that military action is rational and necessary. This war was not rationally justified or planned and it was not and is not necessary.

Putting the U.S. public in a position where it continues to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on an unnecessary and failed war is also a betrayal.

The betrayal of the Iraqi people is ongoing. They despised the oppression of Saddam and they certainly can’t stand what many of them see as deliberate chaos created by the White House orchestrated occupation

We’ve been invited to leave. Prompt acceptance of this invitation addresses two needs. First, it’s our opportunity to leave soon, save lives, prevent more injuries, and stop the losses in a lost cause. Second, this may be the first step toward a rational relationship between the United States and Iraq in the future. The only requirement is that the leaders of both nations respect the prevailing will of their people – end this war and end it now. It’s called democracy.

END

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[msedano]

1. "deliberate chaos" probably gives too much credit

recommended

[autorank]

3. The Iraqi people obviously don't know how dumb our leaders are.

I saw the comments on "deliberate chaos" in the writing on the polls and thought, no way. * and Rummy actually think they know what they're doing. But they don't.

They can't have it both ways, as we used to say back in the day. Either we're there as liberators, in which case we leave when they tell us to or we're not, which explains why we're still there.

Tell ya, 50% plus residents saying it's OK to attack you is not an acceptable assignment unless it's absolutely essential.

:hi:

[Gregorian]

2. I thought this was an important article when it came out.

I didn't miss it. And it seems like something that should be heard far and wide.

Another thing that continues to avoid widespread airing is the massacre of 3000 Afghanis back in that other previous Bush war. But that's another story.

The Hague. And then Hell.

[autorank]

4. I first heard about these attitudes from Sen. Levin on C-Span

Then I went looking.

This is one of those Alice in Wonderland political events...it's so obvious, the * "pro democracy" campaign has only one choice (presuming that they're intellectually honest)...LEAVE. But they hacked the vote no doubt and got a government in place that's as mendacious as they are.

I like you options and they have to be in that order, although if #2 is a lock, they can just bypass The Hague.

[bleever]

5. * listens to Gawd, not focus groups or poll numbers.

Which part sounds like democracy, and which part like the divine right of kings?

K&R.

Swing that hammer, autorank.

[autorank]

7. Democracy abounds....in India maybe, not here or Iraq.

Now that's one scary dude. Wouldn't want to hear "Wait until your father gets home" with him on the way.

"Gwad" - reminds me of one of my less dignified moments;) but my heart was in the right place;)

I Bleeve!

[rumpel]

6. but at the time they did not have the oil deal done

the main objective to reward the corporations..

now, they have to protect the corporate assets, isn't it.

These criminals have to be delivered to the Hague ASAP

[autorank]

8. Go directly to The Hague...

There is no hope to rescue any rotten deals in Iraq. The only hope is that the terrorist breeding ground can be cleaned up by the Iraqi's when we're gone. Even Trump understands this. He was railing about how Saddam would always kill terrorists who came to iraq... What a mess, brought to us by election fraud and a blind media.

[TheBaldyMan]

9. Karl Rove has the "real math"

it says America actually is indifferent to Iraqi suffering.

3000+ US dead , 1/2 million+ Iraqi dead. Which gets the headline?

Start pulling the troops out now.

[autorank]

10. Karl Rove + his pals at the networks (and not just Fox).

I see your Rove and add some Corporate Media to the pot.

We do care what's done in our name when we get the information. However, what we usually get is a blip from a CM story, it lasts a day, and it's gone. Or, in the case of the Lancet article authored by a Johns Hopkins Professor, we get "controversial." Let's see, Lancet is one of the premier scientific journals in the world and Hopkins is noted for hiring and promoting meticulous scholars...controversy? But it had to be discredited, just as they discredit real stories of election fraud as "conspiracy" (rather than coincidence) theories. Can't have the general public digesting a meal it can't stomach, like .45 Mil to .65 Mil dead civilians.

Rove is the only one who can truly say "Mission Accomplished." He got this crew in the first time and he did it again, come Hell or high water...and it's looking like Hell more and more.

[babylonsister]

11. There it is; time to go - NOW! nt

[autorank]

12. Can you believe this?

What are those folks on Capitol Hill thinking about when they speak of a "timetable."

Timetable for what? The whole deal is over. There is hostility at a level that's unacceptable
to our troops and a level of devastation that's not fully known yet. We're supposedly the great
liberators and 1/2 the people say it's OK to attack our forces.

There is a giant disconnect here between claims about the purpose of this mission and the facts
in Iraq. There is another disconnect - between the politicians statements and any semblance of
reality.

This business about a timetable really gets me going. What the heck are they talking about.
The Iraqi's want us out very quickly. The American people would want out even quicker if they were
fully apprised of the views of the Iraqi people.

Let's just do it!

[CrazyOrangeCat]

14. The neocons have destroyed that country, utterly.

The whole population is suffering from permanent PTSD.

They've gutted the cradle of civilization.

Nightmares.

[autorank]

18. That's a good point. When I read that...

the murder squads in the capitol were litering the streets with body parts, I was just amazed.

What must it be like t wake up there?

How we could let a small group of madmen take over and do this amazes me.

And what's the aftermath? That's going to be a real shocker to us here.

:hi:

[Me.]

16. Needs A Kick Ot Two Here

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[autorank]

21. That's a "kick ass" graphic...

A million thanks sir!!!!!

:blush:

[galloglas]

19. Turntable instead of Time Table

The need someone to give the obvious command. "About Face! Forward March!"

[Joe Chi Minh]

20. Such a simple definition, Mike: democracy = rule (decision-making) by the people. Must be

the word "no" they don't understand.

[autorank]

22. It's that word "People", they're used to "serfs," "minions," and "suckers"

When we use an accurate description, they get all confused..."what is this 'people' you speak of" - we hear.

The ultimate irony - we're debating a "timetable" to protect the Iraqis. They say overwhelmingly that a "timetable" for early departure will help the Iraqi government restore order. I wonder if our representatives know that. It contradicts everything they're doing and saying - they want us to leave and they want a timetable for an early departure.

Other words "management" can't understand - "Good bye!" "See Ya" "Syanora" "Take a Hike" etc. etc.

Cheers

[Joe Chi Minh]

26. Also, "Services no longer required".

[Me.]

13. What Do They Know?

They're not the decider! And why do they think they should have a say about their future and country, don't they realize they're a democracy now?

[autorank]

23. Terrific!

What do they know? Not what we know, that "democracy isn't free, it costs a lot to get your way."

Did the CPA fail to tell them that. This is a corollary of the great rule: "Freedom isn't free" - on which all of the other rules are based.

The whole sham is coming unraveled - we're there to bring democracy and stability.

Whatever reason we went, the WH has screwed things up so thoroughly, we'll be unlikely to fall for any nonsense for quite a while.

[mod mom]

15. Enough already. Troops home NOW!

Hope other DUers will be attending candlelight vigils in their community tonight. How many lives destroyed? How many people disabled for bu$h's immoral war THAT THE IRAQI PEOPLE DON'T EVEN WANT US TO FIGHT?

Thanks auto.

[autorank]

24. Keekp the flame burning.

People don't want to fight is right-they want us to leave. We want to leave...it's only the White House and the self anointed geniuses who complicate things...you know those Lieberman's and other folks who want a "long Good Bye" for the benefit of the Iraqis while they Iraq people say, "leave soon, give us a date, it will work better for us if you do that." I guess the Lieberman brigade missed this key point...what is their major malfunction?

[galloglas]

17. What do MoveOn and Willum River Spit say now??

Sometimes when a person thinks about something, they get it right, whether anyone agrees with them or not. Or so it seems.

Two years ago this coming Friday, there was a pissing match going on at a certain (unnamed) public forum, about what the US should be do in Iraq.

It seems that both MoveOn.org and William Rivers Pitt seemed to be defending the notion that 1) since we had already entered Iraq, via a war of aggression, and 2) since we had made the country a shambles, and 3) if we left it might result in a civil war, that, 4) we had an obligation to STAY and FIX IT!!

I won't subject you all to the repetion of the entire exchange. Suffice it to say that, every so often, we all may all hear a proposal which we know, to the marrow of our bones and the core of our soul, to be absolute bullshit! So it was that day, nearly two years ago.

Though I seemed to be in the minority that day, perhaps because I and a few others were holding ground diametrically opposed to the esteemed W. R. Pitt and the V. V. (very visible) MoveOn.org, I was certain I was right.

But I knew then that only Time itself would prove me so. And, after a few fulminating exchanges, I posted the message below, and left the forum, with feelings that are indescribable. Unless one can visualize Yosemite Sam stalking out of a cartoon, while counting ("One! Two!"... and all the way up to the intervening two years).

So I ask you all, today, to read this little verbal explosion and decide who had it right way back then (particularly whether the next to last paragraph was true). Rivers Spit and MoveOn.org? Or yours truly and his small band of allies?


(a post in reply to "J.R.", who is answering "Bob")

Bob and J.P,

You are both dead on target re: MoveOn.org, WR
Pitt, and all the rest. I had some thoughts in reaction to
your comments.

One must wonder if the GOP has invented (Oops!
Forgot their Fearless Leader is a Creator, not
Inventor) some form of SellOut Pod, a la, the "Invasion of the
Body Snatchers", that absorbs anything that attains any
type of influence, i.e., MoveOn.Org and Willum River
Spit.

How many times has River Spit posted something like
"inside flash... Kerry expected to do something
laudable" anyway?

I'm still waiting for the skivvy to come down on a
12-27-2004 notice of that type! If everyone held their
breath for it as long as I did, and we all finally
sigh in frustration together, they would have to
double they Kyoto protocols standards for CO2.

QUOTE: Sadly, it has come to this. Two years after
the invasion of Iraq, the online powerhouse MoveOn.org
-- which built most of its member base with a strong
antiwar message -- is not pushing for withdrawal of
U.S. troops from Iraq.

And MoveOn, IMHO, really should do just that...
Move On. At the very least, change their designation
from a 527 to a 9 to 5 for the DLC!

How much do 527 souls go for these days? MoveOn
shows you can count on quick deliveries. Faster, even, than
Domino's.

QUOTE: It's now time for these distractors posing as
underground truth tellers to be revealed. Good work,
Bob. And yeah, count me out, too - on staying in Iraq
and doing more killing - using phony rationales for
ongoing wrongness - while our kids suffer and die as a
result. That's a bullshit idea, my friend, one that we
should all shoot down like the dead duck it is.

"Dead duck" is quite appropriate. MoveOn started
with a soul and maybe River Spit did also.

But you are right in saying we have to keep an eye
on the anti-Establishment poseurs. It's not like we
can see the moment Old Scratch hands over the booty for their
Souls, is it? And duck is the key word.

River Spit (or any others like him) may arrive in
chariots, borne along through the clouds by Flying
Bucephali, carrying a Holy Writ to save our
beleaguered butts from the Potomac Nazis. But, we
still need to constantly apply the Duck Proviso to
them.

Despite what great deeds they have done or what
heralds their arrivals, when they start to walk like
ducks, quack like ducks, fly like ducks, then we
should assume they are turncoat SOBs that have either
sold out or been co-opted.

Ducks, if you will.

QUOTE: We've all gotta keep a close eye on 'em, all of
'em - lest we be taken in by such ringers who cry
truth.

Absolutely.

So River Spit replies thus? "I agree wholeheartedly
that we have no right to control the lives of the
Iraqi people. But we invaded their country, smashed
their infrastructure, killed 198,000 of their
civilians, toppled their government, opened their
borders to extremists who kill not for the good of the
Iraqi people but to win a political/religious argument
with the United States, and yes there is a big
difference, we did all these things and more, and so
the argument about whether we have the right to do
anything is a horse that has already left the barn."

Huh?? Does he mean (in Rovian syntax) that since we
are already there we can/should/may do something?

If so, why doesn't he simply say what exactly we
can/should/may do!!

It seems he makes an unimpeachable argument that
the US has shown absolutely that it cannot, or will
not, or does not want to do anything for the benefit
of the Iraqis.

Given that, our continued presence will only bring
more harm to them. Isn't that a mandate to leave
unless we actually intend them more harm?

Would River Spit reply, "But if we leave now it
could precipitate civil war!"? I'm sure he would.

But given the circumstances, a civil war amongst
the Iraqis seems better than the unholy and uncivil
war we delivered to them. At the very least,
knowing they have no Niger uranium, they would wage
civil war with more civilized weaponry.

And who knows? God willing, they might settle this
thing among themselves without taking up arms.

One thing is certain, the continued presence of the
Coalition (let's see, that's now the US, Great
Britain, and Palau, I think?) will not allow for it.

Conventional wisdom says "Quit while you are
ahead".

So the corollary would be, "when you have done
nothing right, have no plans to, no ability to,
and can only fall further behind... QUIT!"

That seems lost on Willum.

[autorank]

25. MoveOn is full of it.

They're happy to take our money but when it comes time to deliver, they're late and the food is cold.

MoveOn is to the Iraq what People for the American Way(PFAW) election fraud. You'd expect PFAW to favor real election integrity but instead, they lobby for the awful machines and limited public involvement in elections ("the experts know best"). And MoveOn.Org is simply not sensible on this issue, nor is anyone who doesn't look at what the Iraqi's want.

The USA Today Poll, 3444 Iraqis, May 2005, is one of many. They've never chosen "occupation" as the preferred outcome. Why can't we respect their wishes, unless, of course, this is not about "bringing democracy to the Middle East." I'm shocked, so shocked, that the WH would make a claim absent sincere intent. I need to sit down and recover.

[Jcrowley]

30. K&R

[rgbecker]

27. Here's Tom Delay and Richard Perle's response on MTP, sunday...

FMR. REP. ANDREWS: Tom, with all due respect, I think I'd be much more comfortable taking the military strategy advice of Admiral Sestak than, than Tom DeLay. And listen, you know, we in Washington love to talk about what's in the best interest of the, the people of Iraq. We've been doing this for years and years. Why don't we ask the people of Iraq what they think? If you ask the people...

FMR. REP. DeLAY: Well, let's ask what's in the best interest of the American people.

FMR. REP. ANDREWS: Well, ask the people--let's ask--let's ask the people of Iraq, OK?

FMR. REP. DeLAY: No, let's ask the American people.

FMR. REP. ANDREWS: What is--let's ask them first, OK? Because listen, they're the ones that have the most at stake. They're the ones that have the most at stake.

FMR. REP. DeLAY: I'm more interested in the American people.

FMR. REP. ANDREWS: They're the ones that live day after day with these attacks that would--that we're all talking about. Seventy-eight percent of the Iraqi people believe that the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq make things more violent, not less violent. Eighty percent of the Iraqi people believe that we should be setting...

MR. PERLE: That poll...

FMR. REP. DeLAY: Is that your poll?

FMR. REP. ANDREWS: That we--hold on, hold on--that we should be setting a date certain, as well as 60 percent of Americans believe that we should set a date certain for Americans troops to leave. Sixty-two percent of Iraqis, Tim, 62 percent...

FMR. REP. DeLAY: Is this a poll from Win Without War?

MR. PERLE: There--there...

FMR. REP. ANDREWS: ...feel so strongly about this, they support attacks on American troops. What Joe was saying, I think, is extremely important. And what most reasonable observers of the situation agree, there is no military solution to the problem in Iraq. It's only a political one. And the reason that the Iraq--the bipartisan Iraq Study Group was so opposed to the surge that is now going on that the-- President Bush has now instigated is because, according to them, it would take away the very conditions that're necessary to forge that political reconciliation that is going to be necessary for a resolution to this crisis. Because the Maliki government that is now filled with and supported by and propped up by some of the most vicious militias that exist in Iraq that are attacking our own troops, they are getting supported by our, our military. And as long as that happens, as we've seen over the past several months, the Maliki government is going to be unwilling and has demonstrated its continuing unwillingness to make the compromises, to make the tough decisions necessary in order to find a political accommodation.

Read it and weep: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17628142/

[autorank]

28. I RECOMMEND you reply.

I hadn't had a chance to read this although I saw the headline.

This is such a hot issue, I hope someone picks it up and just pounds it. The Democrats on the
Hill have their talking point - majority of Iraqi's support attacking our troops, lets get out now.

DeLay belongs in jail just for those remarks. He just can't admit it-the WH lied, period and the
occupation is no longer acceptable on any level.

Thanks for adding this, it's great stuff. Rep. Andrews is a real warrior. That summary at the
end really blows the two toads away.

[DemReadingDU]

29. Bush et all, don't want to listen

They may be quite skilled at polls, but they are in Iraq to line their pockets with more & more dollars. The more troops, the more meals to feed them, the more dollars to be made off each meal, the more vehicles are needed to get them from one location to the next. Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater are all happy to continue the war indefinitely.

There was a segment about Blackwater on NPR Fresh Air today.
Jeremy Scahill talks about his book Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army.

Very enlightening. Scahill said that .40 cents of every dollar being spent for the so-called war on terror, goes to private contractors!

Another interesting tidbit. During the aftermath of Katrina, Blackwater was paying something like $350 for people to work. Then billing the govenment something like $950 per day per man! Where did this $600 go???

click here to listen...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8992128


We were misled into this war with Iraq. We're betraying the Iraqis. There doesn't seem to be any reasoning with this administration. It's deplorable.

[autorank]

32. DemReadingDU, you nailed it. An Army travels on its stomach.

The "army" I'm talking about consists of the profiteers you mentioned. They travel on all they
can eat off the top, on the sides, etc. They need that extra push at the last minute, the "Surge."

Isn't this a disgrace, all these people over there and a few corporations raking off 66%, in the example you gave, plus anything else they can pick up.

Anybody heard about that $2.5 billion in cash that's gone missing. Wonder who got that one?

:hi:

[Hubert Flottz]

31. Demanding more money to throw away to his contractors, no strings

attatched, sounds like something a mobster would do...To obtain from another by coercion or intimidation.(political)

extort 1. Law. a. to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.
b. to take illegally by reason of one's office.

Repeal the frivolous tax cuts for the rich, to pay for your continued, elective, war, George...with no strings attatched.

The Decider has turned into the Demander...Time to call the RICO man?

b. to take illegally(from Congress and the TAX PAYERS)by reason of one's office.

[autorank]

33. A classic line - "The Decider has turned into the Demander...Time to call the RICO man?"

His future way of demanding may be raking a metal cup across the iron bars of his cell.

It's getting to be....

[Hubert Flottz]

34. The Demander in Chief, has been a bad boy...

No Hundred Billion Dollar allowance to waste this time, for a lying, whining, cheating, spoiled little brat!

Congress should just say, Not No, But HELL NO...to little Prince George's High Handed Political Extortion.

Make him fund his war toys and secret contracts with his Dusty Foggos and Blackwaters, with the regular DoD budget, or not at all. Make him account for every penny spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. TEACH THAT BRAT THE REAL VALUE OF A DOLLAR!

America is not George Bush's private piggy bank! We gave congress the mandate to fight back and the time has come to say...HELL NO! Don't let George use our soldiers as and excuse again, to extort more money to waste in Iraq. Your democratic congress people promised those soldiers they'd help them come home, before the election in 2006. Time now to support the troops like congress promised and bring them ALL home.

Don't attach strings, attach ropes, to bind his murdering, bloody, little hands, before he invades again, or we will also be paying for fixing a broken Iran, while George's pals at Exxon abscond with Iran's oil too, at the taxpayer's expense.

[DemReadingDU]

35. Bush: The Demander in Chief

You are so right

[autorank]

36. Next Bush will relocate the White House to Dubai...more freedom to manipulate

Dubai is highly appropriate. It's the refuge for scoundrels and freaks like Halliburton fiduciaries and Michael Jackson. Bush would fit right in and it would make a point to the Republican faithful: you're supporting an agent of alien interests.

Our country has been mugged, beaten and then forced to listen to years of bull shit propaganda.

It's time to IMPEACH BUSH, CHENEY, AND THE ENTIRE CABINET...ANY FEDERAL JUDGES OR OTHER FEDERAL APPOINTEES. Clean start, turn back the clock.

Former Judge Abner Mikva (and former US Rep) said that Congress should turn down any Bush judicial appointees after the 2000 election! We should have listened to him. Now is the time. All of them have to go!