Virginia Gun Dealers Taunt New York Mayor

[billbuckhead]

Virginia Gun Dealers Taunt New York Mayor

KRISTEN GELINEAU | AP | March 19, 2007 01:38 PM EST

MIDLOTHIAN, Va. — Amid the Confederate flags, anti-Yankee bumper stickers and Civil War relics on display at Bob Moates Sport Shop, a counterattack against the North is under way.

"Ask about the Bloomberg Gun GiveAway" reads a sign taped to the gun shop's register, beckoning customers to enter the drawing named for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose federal lawsuits against gun dealers in five states have drawn the wrath of Virginia's gun enthusiasts.
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"The truth is, if Bloomberg hadn't picked on Virginia, we wouldn't have gotten involved. But he made the mistake of stepping into Virginia with this," said Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League and mastermind of the giveaway, which has boosted business for the two participating store owners.

The Republican mayor has sued 27 out-of-state gun dealers, alleging they sold firearms illegally to undercover private investigators conducting a sting for New York. City officials say the dealers have supplied hundreds of weapons used in New York City crimes. The lawsuits, which name dealers in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia, ask the court to require monitoring of the shops' sales.
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<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070319/gun-giveaway>

Anti-Americans by almost any measure.

[villager]

1. why gun violence is as American as apple pie!

How dare Bloomberg mess with such fine traditions!

[PurpleChez]

2. Yeah! Fuck the other 90% of the Bill o' Rights!

[villager]

3. ???

[billbuckhead]

4. All that's left of the Bill of Rights a rotting misperception of the 2nd amendment

Today's fascists love it.

[villager]

5. well, that's true. The only amendment at all, they're really fond of...

n/t

[PurpleChez]

13. The nine amendments that DON'T deal with gun ownership

The 2nd Amendment is the only one the RW seems to care about, and they do so with a passion. The rest of the BoR -- and the Constitution in general -- is just a rag to them. They just want their guns.

[villager]

14. I agree -- their Bill of "Rights" starts after the 1st amendment, and ends before the 3rd!

n/t

[Solo_in_MD]

6. Good...he should go to jail for conspiracy to violate Federal gun laws

and the the dealers paid restitution, especially those who knuckled under and agreed to the special master.

NYC violence problems do not stem from guns, but its convenient to blame them rather than face up to the other issues. The mayor has no business exporting his inability to manage his city to other states. His abuse of the long arm concept and view of 3rd party liability has already been rejected by the courts. He is using the taxpayer funded city attorneys to muscle out of state businesses who can not afford to stand up to him. If it was a corporation doing it, we would all be up in arms...why should NYC get any different treatment.

Also look at the gun rules in NYC. Managable if you are wealthy, not if you are poor. Rich have them, the poor and minority can not afford them. Private gun ownership is an important progressive value while most gun control legislation remains true to its racist roots.

[billbuckhead]

9. The people are being shot and killed with bullets not killed by "social ills"

Go to the hospital and see the bullets holes.

[Solo_in_MD]

11. The violence is being caused by things like social injustice and the massive inequities, which NYC

is known for. Consider the differences between Park Place and Spanish Harlem and the stresses it brings. The presence of firearms is not the seminal cause of urban violence or the root of NYC's ills.

[billbuckhead]

15. Then how come India and France have lower murder rates?

It's something very obvious. Must be easy access to guns like actual non riechwing think tank experts say.

[Solo_in_MD]

16. Its also different culture and standards

Anger causes the violence, anger is caused by inequities and other social disfunction. Firearms are not in the chain of causality.

Under the circumstances denying them to the poor and disenfrancised continues the historical racism of gun control.

[billbuckhead]

17. All this death and and billions of $ destruction has nothing to do with bullets

Yeah, all those Muslims in France aren't that angry. Of course India has no class problems.

It sure is amazing that the NRA enemies list is dominated by black people starting with the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP. I think they know their people's history with the 2nd amendment better than redneck congressmen trying to subvert democracy. Who should African American's trust about guns? Maya Angelou or Zell Miller? Spike Lee or Charlton Heston? <http://www.nrablacklist.com/>

[Solo_in_MD]

21. Actually its amazing to see how many people who are willing to give up freedoms to the state

with nothing in return.

Black Americans are far from monolithic on gun control, and even some of the so called black leadership is starting to get it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/20/AR2007032001977.html is a case in point.

[Paladin]

18. Whatever The Supposed Roots Of Gun Control.....

....in present times, the overwhelming number of this country's racists are huddled over in the same political corner with the overwhelming number of this country's gun activists---the far, far right wing. Birds of a feather. If you want real Democrats to buy into your dubious notions of gun policy, how about trying to get people like Ann Coulter, Wayne LaPierre, Ted Nugent, Tom DeLay, Michelle Malkin, Dick Cheney, Zell Miller and innumerable other filthy, Democratic-hating fascists to back away from said policy first? You might be more persuasive then---but I doubt it.....

[Solo_in_MD]

20. So if people we disagree with on some issues agree with us on one, we must abadon our position?

That is the essence of your position. To follow your logic it means that if they came out for a higher minimum wage you would insist that we support cutting it. This week I saw activisits from the left and right on the same side of the "Bong Htis 4 Jesus" case. It does happen.

The people's right to reasonable self defense has been denied for 30 years in Washington DC, and the people are tired of it. Even the WaPo is taking a softer line (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/20/AR2007032001977.html) Parker is a start, but more rollbacks are clearly needed in places like NYC.

[Bucky]

7. This would make a pretty cool movie, if only....

... instead of taunting him the gun nuts decided to whack Bloomberg, only it turned out that Bloomberg was a 11th degree ninja who only happened to be mayor of New York. Also, Bloomy would have to look a whole lot like Bruce Willis or Harrison Ford. Except for those minor details, this would make a great movie.

[Solo_in_MD]

8. How about this?

Darth Bloomie and his evil army of lawyers in wing tipped boots illegal try to enforce their draconian and illegal laws outside their juristiction. A small band of freedom fighter made up of entrepuneurs and small business owners fight them off and send them packing with their tails between their legs and freedom is restored.

Would have to be an ensemble cast to work well, but those tend to make for better entertainment anyway.

[billbuckhead]

10. The NRA is actually making one of these gun nut wet dream videos

"If you needed any more proof that the NRA has gone off the deep end, here it is. First, there was that NRA pamphlet, featuring racist and stereotypical pictures (animal terrorists were involved, as well as a condemnation of the media for supposedly underwriting gun violence). And now, a script has surfaced that shows just how wacky and paranoid the NRA has become. It’s a script for a voiceover meant to introduce head honcho Wayne LaPierre at an upcoming conference, and we’ll just say it doesn’t skimp on the fearmongering.

As billionaires buy the laws and lawmakers they want…
as bureaucrats conduct personal crusades ..
as zealots indoctrinate our kids …
as criminal gangs infest our neighborhoods ..
as the U.N. applies global pressure …
and as anti-gun forces control the U.S. House and Senate
… if an anti-gun president occupies the White House …
then the perfect storm is upon us.

Its arrival will be hastened by a terrorist attack — which experts say is inevitable.

Then, the final disarmament of law-abiding Americans will take place beneath the shroud of anti-terrorism legislation.

Wow. We would say you lost us there at the end, NRA, but you kind of lost us there in the beginning– most of the law buying going on has led to gun laws that make access to firearms easier for criminals, not harder. Later, the voiceover gets deeper and deeper into “towering waves of the coming storm” imagery. They even say they want to “scare the hell” out of their assembled minions– “stirring the masses a la Charlton Heston in his prime.” Fearmongering and exaggeration at its finest, ladies and gentlemen– the NRA obviously wants its gun guys (we call them “the Zumbo mob”) frothing at the mouth when they get unleashed on the public."
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<http://www.gunguys.com/>

[Solo_in_MD]

12. GunGuys? You might as well cite the Brady Bunch...

Is there any independent verfication of the source? I say that because not even the NRA is that dumb (normally).

[Paladin]

19. Go To Google And Enter "NRA Comic Book"

Chew on that for a while before you make the mistake of defending the NRA to any degree in a Democratic forum again.

(Always glad to offer constructive advice to an adversary when I know damned well it won't be followed.)