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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:02 AM Original message |
Why the left will forever be left out. |
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. Obama just became president..... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I don't mean to be nasty, but it's not my job to educate you. |
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I don't mean to be nasty either but..... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. what part of what I typed don't you understand? I'll clarify for you. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:16 AM Original message |
You know the bar has moved way to the far right in America |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. dupe |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Obama is slightly to the right of Richard Nixon |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
162. baloney. he went along with the Congress because he was focused |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
47. What aspect of Obama's philosophy do you consider "left wing"? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
125. You had me, right until your last sentence |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. Obama is not anywhere close to "left wing." |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. How Could Anyone Notice |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. The only way to notice |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #82 |
123. Even when Edwards was in the race, the intolerance was horrible. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. You have been right all along. nt |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #77 |
115. another one gets it! thank you. nt |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
83. There's a pretty large group on DU who believe that Obama is right-center |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #83 |
127. Obama is certainly right=of-center. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
94. Your mistake is thinking Obama is left wing. He is center at best, I'd argue |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. the right tried to smear Obama as socialist of leftist, but O's center right |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
116. Obama supported the FISA bill, don't consider that left wingy. If you consider Obama left wingish |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
122. If you consider Obama left wing, I disagree. Obama is a centrist |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. "there aren't many liberals with a whole lot of money and influence." |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. He succeeded because the left forced him to do those thing. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
34. who was the left and how did it force him? |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. "Go out there and make me do it" |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Agreed |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
80. I Think There Are Plenty of Liberals With Money ... It's the Influence Part ... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. You know a lot of liberals with George Soros type of money? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #80 |
124. Lots of liberals with money in California and New York, lots of them. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. And More Than You'd Think |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
5. "We are unwilling to compromise" |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I'll tell you why. It's because there are a whole lot of young |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I think the young people DO have a clue. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. excuse me. I didn't say all young people, or even most..I said |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. LOL! |
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Stardust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. From an older boomer Dem, thanks for the insult. |
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Faux pas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Sheesh, what world are you living in? |
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illuminaughty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I can't even post how far left this 53 yr. old Dem is |
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Stardust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
84. I'm astonished when I hear people disparage socialism as if it's the scariest form of society |
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illuminaughty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
114. We've been sold the lie for so long. |
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Stardust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Great idea about the student exchange program. My son spent a year |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Not this boomer and older Democrat, but nice try. Broad brush much? |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
97. This boomer has never been anything but liberal |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
41. You're kidding, right? Boomer here -- you just described my Republican friends... |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
50. Ignorance of youth |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
58. On the drug issue... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Leaving depravity aside, since it is based on morality and the argument over what |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. The crime is a result of the legal status of such substances |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
92. What do you mean by depravity? |
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Asgaya Dihi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
99. Willing to lift restrictions on, why? |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
65. girl gone mad, I mean no offense, |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
72. What some people say is that during the primaries, the college students |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
81. yes. old Dems are just fucking ol' bigots |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
100. I gotta say, it's pretty funny... |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Please point out where he said that |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #101 |
139. It's right there in the title and first line of the post: |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #139 |
144. I see it now.. I was looking at the original post |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. Yes, when I grow up a bit |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
146. Naturally, I have hurt your feelings. But what I said was true. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. You haven't hurt my feelings |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
104. Count me in as another insulted Boomer. |
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illuminaughty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. They definitely didn't do their homework. |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
69. As a young person who (imo) does have a clue |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. Thank you. The puzzling part is that it doesn't require much effort |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
96. I grew up in the 70s/80s - with Reagan as the president when |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. tactics and strategy |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
78. I think a mass movement would be good. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #78 |
117. a mass movement would be essential. |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. You sound so much like me |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. My grandparents and parents were the same way. |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Unfortunately I was way too young to appreciate JFK or RFK |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
51. When was Kucinich assassinated??! ;-) |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
87. LOL - heaven forbid!! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
10. Good post, but I do disagree about the "purists" and lack of compromise. |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
13. Well, I'm hoping change is still why we voted for Obama. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Rahm Emanuel, Hillary Clinton, |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
59. The really awkward thing about Obama, for me... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
15. Since the end of communism there has been zero reason to treat the working class with respect |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
17. The sixties happened because there was a draft and everybody had to go |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. That's a gross oversimplification of "the sixties" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. This is a simple post not a tome. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Yep. When the Draft was stopped, the unity of the Left evaporated... |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
153. Yep. The "Me Generation." When their ass was on the line they got political... |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
19. K&R |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I think you're right |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
156. And yet you were watching it? -nt- |
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illuminaughty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Yes, you're right. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
20. Must be our fault. Couldn't possibly be that our opposition is the leadership of |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
73. Well said. You've chosen a good name for yourself. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
112. Gee, thanks. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
157. Yep, it's the history of the world in my opinion. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:18 AM Response to Original message |
24. History makes us all (willing or unwilling)participants of politics |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
31. I am a baby boomer (just turnued 57) and agree with you except for the part |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
32. Now Joe |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
38. K & R |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
40. The main problem is not convincing most of the populace |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. That MEANS that we do not have a media platform. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
43. very well stated Joe |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
44. Actually liberals organize quite well thank you... |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
45. I agree that the left (the true majority) is left out, in the corpo/fascist 'news' monopoly |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Thank you for that very rational and lucid post. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Amen |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Done! nt |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. ' Were we totally duped into thinking that Obama was an insurgent candidate' |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. The most hopeful venue for true election reform is the local/state jurisdictions, |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. sure wish I could rec a reply |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
48. the phony "democrats" can't win elections without us. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
49. K and R |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
53. The "left" is a movement, not a political party, and shouldn't attach itself to one. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. What is a political party, if not a movement? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Mainstream? Only for a very brief period in the early '70s. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Not so. The party was made up of people just like my parents. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. My father was a socialist and cursed FDR for thwarting the revolution. |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #71 |
154. Not just were you stand |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
160. You have misunderstood me. |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
57. Doesn't Obama's Job Stimulus Plan Count for Something? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. The man isn't even in office yet so I'm withholding judgment, but on the UHC |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
79. Obama doesn't have universal health care on his agenda. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
105. I assume by "safety nets" you mean government programs |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
107. Universal health care? You really think you're going to get Obama to do that? |
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Miss Chybil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
74. I'm going to wait to see what Obama does before I start crying about it. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I didn't see any tears in the OP but I did see a lot |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
108. I've seen plenty just with his appointments announced thus far, starting with Rahm Emanuel. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
76. We're doomed. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #76 |
95. I just have to ask you.... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
111. It doesn't much matter, as I strongly suspect that whatever number I put forth... |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #76 |
102. Shades of grey, nuance, dialog |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. "the kind of stuff that kills intelligent, adult discussion (blahblahblah snipped)".... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
86. Self-Fulfilling Prophecies |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
90. There really should be 4 major political parties in America. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
91. Wrong reasons. Almost completely wrong. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #91 |
161. I disagree. The factors I listed are important. So, you really think |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
98. I think.... |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
106. Until we have more people who agree w/us we will be marginalized. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
109. Joe the FDR your parents remember WAS NOT the FDR elected |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #109 |
119. Nadin, need I say more than this, really? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #119 |
141. I don't see any civil rights legislation. FDR was a DLC sell out. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Try and sell that line of thinking to the millions of people his |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Doesn't matter. A true progressive would have supported more civil rights legislation. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. That's the first laugh out loud moment I've had all day. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #143 |
152. Regular comedian aren't you? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #152 |
158. Ah you found me out. Some of these purists can get irritating sometimes. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #119 |
150. Show me ANY of this in his party platform |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #109 |
121. You are sadly misinformed and if you choose you can |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #121 |
151. And we have seen any of the REAL work done by the |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
113. Our loss of a "fair media" or take over of the Press by RW Think Tanks and Special Interests |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
120. These are for the most part truisms to me. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Just telling it like it is. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
128. You are conflating "liberal" with "working class" |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #128 |
132. You've either missed my thesis or disagree. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
130. I don't even know that there's a concensus on what it would mean to be *Liberal* in this context. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. For me Liberal means fairness and common decency, plain and simple. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. But if you want to talk about real people, which notable elected persons would get |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Several of the Kennedy's for a start. nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. I dunno. I think there are hardly any real people you could put forth that |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #138 |
169. When I have commented on Obama lately... |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
131. I think we fail because of something different: a perpetual 'White Knight' syndrome |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
133. Very different things |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #133 |
140. Indeed, let's clarify this; |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #140 |
148. Give me a break. You don't really believe that garbage, do you? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #148 |
159. As a matter of fact, yes, I do. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #159 |
163. I think you could scour the country and not come up with a dozen people |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #163 |
168. Dream on. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #140 |
164. holiday in cambodia: |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
134. I don't think the party itself has changed as much as we've been on the defensive for decades |
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agent007 (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
155. recommended |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
165. Great thread. |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
166. Bush destroyed the Republican party |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
167. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours |
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