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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:05 PM Original message |
I could be wrong, but Obama's goal seems to be to represent the Left himself |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's what Lincoln did... Except Lincoln was the Republican |
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Veritas_et_Aequitas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Indeed. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. Lincoln's Cabinet was far more dysfunctional than Doris Kearns Goodwin's book would have us believe. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Thank you. True. nt |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Remember, during the first year of the Lincoln administration |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. Obama isn't looking for a fight |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. he has said, himself |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. As amply demonstrated for the last 3 decades, fighting is the only way forward. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's what a lot of people are saying. That he's got enough "vision" for the whole team.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. If Obama positions himself outside of binary struggles |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. As I watch him, and ignore the peanut gallery I see the man is |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. "Someday, I'm going to ask you for a favor . ." |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. we're also used to getting short-sheeted on issues by 'pragmatic' Congresses |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Well we'll see what happens with congress after Obama's in |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. he's been so very smart in the way he's managed his election |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Pragmatism is not a prominent Liberal characteristic. |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I consider it a liberal characteristic |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Pragmatism is not a Liberal characteristic in right wing cartoons. n/t |
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JJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. pragmatism is compromise |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. Obama knows what he doesn't know |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. What "progressive change he's promised"? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
15. He ran as a Centrist, he's behaving like a Centrist. Triangulation redux. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. only because we will be forced to |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. NeoLibs: The softer, gentler, version of NeoCons because they apologize after the slaughter. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Well said. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. He ran to be a more efficient manager of the Empire, which he will do. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
17. "moderate influences"? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
18. Also, I would like to give you a Rec for even admitting that you could be wrong. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Mr. Obama was my fourth choice in the primary |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. his gay marriage against religious traditions stance is certainly a leftist idea. lmao. nt. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
26. K&R 'cause I hadn't thought of it that way before (nt) |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
27. I've honestly never understood why so many self-identified progressives got the idea that Obama was |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. he did promise a 'clear' change |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. " . . . nothing short of progressive change is really a 'clear' one." Only to a progressive. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. that will definitely be something I will watch for, scarletwoman |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The thing is, "change" is something that is ALWAYS happening. It's one of the immutable laws |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Not that I'd advocate it, but... |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think Obama is seating his cabinet to be a step ahead of the latest bush disaster. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. crisis government |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
36. This explanation is the one I find myself clinging to |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yes that's what I've been thinking too. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
41. If most liberals are as hard to work with as the ones who are |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
42. Interesting, |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. It's a hope, more than it's a certainty with me |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. That's something to pay attention to. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I think they represent incremental change |
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byronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
47. Interesting take -- I think you're right. |
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