PNAC is Back as FDD (these traitors never give up)...

[Indi Guy]

PNAC (Project for the New American Century) has morphed into FDD (Foundation for Defense of Democracies). Please hit this KOS link for further links -- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/26/18440/0182/114/464649

PNAC homepage -- http://www.newamericancentury.org




FDD homepage -- http://www.defenddemocracy.org



FDD "Who we are" -- http://www.defenddemocracy.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=516504&Itemid=374 ..."FDD was founded shortly after 9/11 by a group of visionary philanthropists and policymakers to support the defense of democratic societies under assault by terrorism and militant Islamism. Our Leadership Council of Distinguished Advisors includes former FBI Director Louis J. Freeh, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, former National Security Advisor Robert 'Bud' McFarlane, former Ambassador Max Kampelman, Sen. Joe Lieberman (ID-CT), and former CIA Director R. James Woolsey..."

If you want, please kick this for our morning risers (it's now 4:16 EST). The shadowy traitors responsible for our state of the union are alive and well, and still up to their old tricks.

[elleng]

1. They'll never give up

until they're 'pushing up daisies,' I fear.

[Indi Guy]

4. Cheney's survived as many heart attacks as draft deferments to keep this crap going...

...these people live & die for causes they believe in (regardless of whether or not their methods are lawful).

[snake in the grass]

35. Personally, I am all for much less living...

...and much more dying when it comes to this scum!

[bdamomma]

21. they never give up?

and neither should us.

[elleng]

24. WE will not,

if we are smart and stay work together in spite of differences.

[Cobalt-60]

2. Let's call them Fudds

[rucky]

12. Be vewy vewy quiet...

I'm hunting tewwowists.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. .

:spray:

[Solly Mack]

3. K&R

[Indi Guy]

5. Obama's got more on his plate than most people know...

...and what is known is monumental.

I wish him well.

[Solly Mack]

6. He's inheriting decades worth of entrenched corruption

I don't envy him at all

[Indi Guy]

7. No argument here!

I wouldn't want his job for the world.

I'm just grateful that Obama is not only brilliant -- he's also wise.

[bdamomma]

22. that is why we have to support him.

[Lasher]

8. Looks like FDD functions simultaneously with, and not instead of, PNAC. n/t

[Indi Guy]

9. I get the distinction, but what's the difference?

Aren't these traitors still aligned against our rule of law?

:shrug:

[Lasher]

10. The distinction is, PNAC isn't going away.

Just like the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, the American Enterprise Institute, and The Heritage Foundation. In the OP you said PNAC had morphed into FDD, indicating that one had taken the other's place.

All these organizations are loathsome. You'll get no argument from me in that regard.

Edit: There is good news afoot. Freedom's Watch is going belly up a the end of this year.

[Indi Guy]

28. Good points!...

My headline might have better read, The Neocon Medusa Has Sprouted Yet Another Viper

[Indi Guy]

29. Headsup my friend...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4531619#4537462

Pete

[Lasher]

39. Here is an excellent neocon primer

The Christian Science Monitor put this out awhile back, in 2004 I do believe.

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.html

It lists key neocon think tanks, periodicals, and documents. There are also links to other resources such as short bios on 12 of the key neocons.

[liberal N proud]

11. Fundamentalist the Destruction of Democracy

[SpiralHawk]

14. The ususal Ahrimanic suspects -- arrayed against all that is good, honest, noble

[leveymg]

15. Goody - We can now call them FoundDefDemDumb & Dumber

Fits.

[cyberpj]

16. LIEBERMAN JOINS THE GROUP. They should have tossed him out on his ass when they had the chance. nt

[amdezurik]

17. good catch, but a bad referal

please don't leave links at a hate site like dkos, they will never get another hit from me

[Indi Guy]

18. I posted the source where I found the info... n/t

[judasdisney]

19. PNAC was harmless. In fact, they didn't really exist. Only Tinfoil-Hatters believed PNAC was real.

Let's go back to sleep.

[Indi Guy]

25. I'm no tin-foil hatter; and you only need to go to PNAC's site to see that it's indeed real...

I posted this in the OP -- http://www.newamericancentury.org

Want more? (I'm surprised by your response; many DUers know about this, and much more re: the reality of PNAC.) ...Read carefully this 1998 open letter to Bill Clinton, and pay attention to who signed it (see if you recognize any names):

January 26, 1998



The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC


Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.


Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.


Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

• Elliott Abrams
  
  
• Richard L. Armitage
  
  
• William J. (Bill) Bennett
  
  
• Jeffrey Bergner
  
  
• John Bolton
  
  
• Paula Dobriansky
  
  
• Francis Fukuyama (Fukuyama resigned from PNAC)
  
  
• Robert Kagan
  
  
• Zalmay Khalilzad
  
  
• William (Bill) Kristol
  
  
• Richard Perle
  
  
• Peter W. Rodman
  
  
• Donald Rumsfeld
  
  
• William Schneider, Jr.
  
  
• Vin Weber
  
  
• Paul Wolfowitz
  
  
• R. James Woolsey
  
  
• Robert B. Zoellick
  http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

[judasdisney]

30. My sub-byline comment

was a tip-off that I'm mocking the typical "conspiracies don't exist" DUer:

"Let's go back to sleep" I wrote.

[Indi Guy]

31. I apologize for missing the ironic sarcasm, which I enjoy. Boy is my face red...

:blush:

I deal with allota children on snarky neocon boards. Thanks for reminding me that I can take a break & have a beer with adults here. :toast:

[judasdisney]

32. Thanks for reminding me: I don't like snark anyway. It's lazy.

[judasdisney]

33. Incidentally, that last remark was directed at myself, not you. I'm lazy.

[Indi Guy]

34. I gotcha, doggonit...

...Thanks for not getting all mavericky on me.

My latent leaning is to lapse into languid litanies of lazy alliteration. ;)

back on topic -- There is no end to the paranoid politics employed by these "pious" pretenders to democratic power.

[Mari333]

20. all i can think of is

Elmer FDD

[Zhade]

23. NEVER FORGET - PNAC AND PPI (WILL MARSHALL) WERE JOINED.

At one point, they even shared an office.

[BrklynLiberal]

26. Senator Joe LIEberman!!!?????? If that doesn't show where his loyalties lie,

nothing does. It sickens me that they have allowed him to keep his committee chairmanship for Homeland Security.

[proud patriot]

27. guess I'll have to change my Calvin Sticker

[Indi Guy]

36. Forgive my ignorance...

...What does your Calvin sticker say?

[Iwillnevergiveup]

37. They will never give up

but neither will I!

[Indi Guy]

38. Now THAT'S the American spirit...

;)