'We want this baby polar bear dead' say animal rights lobby

[Ninja Jordan]

Animal rights activists argue that he should be given a lethal injection rather than brought up suffering the humiliation of being treated as a domestic pet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=443343&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

Who really deserves the lethal injection? Shit...

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Better to die free than to live in captivity.

That's my opinion.

As much as I love going to zoos, I am getting very close to considering them unethical and immoral, except in the issues of helping to save animals from extinction.

[Ninja Jordan]

2. I don't respect that opinion.

The bear was rejected by its mother.

[brentblack]

3. Yes...

but...for most people, they will never have the opportunity to see a Bengal Tiger or a three-toed sloth up close without zoos.

A circus is a completely different animal. They are unethical and immoral as they continue to parade the animals from town to town. At least in a zoo, they have a relatively stable home and, usually, educated caring handlers.

I agree with you on the 'live free' attitude. I would rather die that be caged.

At the National Zoo in DC, the genuis that arranged living conditions had the Zebras right next to the Cheetah - seperated by a chain link fence. The poor Cheetah was going NUTS with desire to eat the Zebra. It was ironic and sad at the same time.

I could not live without going to the Monkey House once a year...

[Rabrrrrrr]

9. I crossed the line on circuses years ago - absolutely unethical.

When that elephant got away from the circus in Honolulu and trampled a bunch of people, I thought, "YAY for you! Run, be free!! Destroy your oppressors!" I felt sad for the innocents who were killed, of course, but not the circus people.

As for being able to see animals up close that one normally couldn't - I don't buy that argument. It's not a good enough reason to take them from their home for our own entertainment or amusement. I wouldn't want to be caged and put on display - why should I allow an animal to be treated that way?

And I am glad that so many zoos are going to a more naturalistic way of dealing with their animals - larger areas in which to live, places to hide, and the potential that no one will see a particular animal on any day because the animal has enough area to roam in, and places to hide, that they might do that.

[Ninja Jordan]

11. An endangered species should not be killed simply because it is raised by humans.

[Rabrrrrrr]

19. Okay. Thanks for the non sequitor.

I agree with you.

:shrug:

[atreides1]

8. except in the issues of helping to save animals from extinction.

Have you kept up to date on the polar bear population?

Here's a little information:

The worldwide population of polar bears currently stands between 20,000 and 25,000, broken into 19 groups in Russia, Denmark, Norway, Canada and the United States. One-quarter to one- fifth of that population occupies waters off the shores off Alaska or the nearby coastlines, with separate groups in the Chukchi Sea off northwestern Alaska, the Northern Beaufort Sea and the Southern Beaufort Sea off the North Slope of Alaska.

The most-studied bear population, in the Western Hudson Bay in Canada, dropped 22 percent from 1,194 in 1987 to 935 in 2004, the proposal by Interior's Fish and Wildlife Service said.

It added: "However, based on environmental factors and observed patterns of population trends for some populations, it is likely that most populations will exhibit declines in the future."

Unless of course you'd like to wait until there are only a dozen left before anything is done.

That's my opinion.

[Rabrrrrrr]

61. Yes, thank you for repeating exactly what I said.

And for informing others who might not have known of the plight of the polar bear.

[MADem]

14. I think killing a polar bear, or a person, is just not nice.

It would be one thing if someone hungry was gonna kill and EAT the thing, but just because some "assholes" don't think the bear is living an "optimal life?" Hell, in the old days, the thing would die. But maybe the bear will provide someone with information about the species that they never had.

Everyone hates captive dolphins, too, but we would not know as much about them as we do today had not captivity been a factor in their study.

Even shitty life is better than none at all. The bear will have three hots, a cot, and maybe a few friends in similar straits. Not the best life, but it could be worse.

[Rabrrrrrr]

23. "Even a shitty life is better than none at all" - I totally disagree.

Perhaps Terry Schiavo would disagree with you as well. I imagine the Jews in concentration camps weren't so keen on it, either.

Now, I am not saying that this bear should be killed - I would hope they could help it along, and it would be nice to release it into the wild sometime, but that's probably not feasible. But, given the particular circumstances of this little guy, I would think keeping him a zoo and caring for him is the best option, since he probably couldn't do it in the wild.

But there is that part of me that says, "Well, gosh - he's a living being; he should live and die on his own terms: either figure out how to live on his own in the wild, or become food for the next more powerful creature, the way nature intended."

[MADem]

29. Well, assuming one has a brain and can use it. Really, Schiavo wasn't "alive"

She couldn't scratch her nose or her ass, she couldn't enjoy a meal, she couldn't smell the air or growl at assholes waddling by.

It's just not the same set of circumstances at all. If the bear was lobotomized and lying in a bed, blind, unable to partake of any of life's joys, I'd say put it down, too. But it isn't an "incapacitated bear" now, is it?

And most Jews that I knew with tattoos from back in the day said that L'CHAIM!!!! was the ONE thing that kept them going in the darkest, most frightening hours--memories of wonderful days, dreams of better days to come. They didn't want to die--they wanted to fucking LIVE. Sheesh, what an odd thing to say..??? That's not the paradigm, at all. I can't imagine where you got it.

[Rabrrrrrr]

43. I said it because you are justifying incarceration with the phrase

"Even a shitty life is better than no life", and also because it's a ridiculously insensitive and shitty statement to make.

For some people, a shitty life is NOT better than no life.

That phrase has been used to oppress and subjugate people for a long time, including teachings from the Catholic Church about women's roles in dysfunctional and abusive relationships, abortion, euthanasia, reproductive choice, and so on; slavery; forced incarceration; and more.

A shitty life might be better than no life to you, maybe even for many others, but you cannot offer it as a blanket statement of truth that applies to every living being at all times.

And I never, ever said that the bear should be killed.

[MADem]

55. Well, Schiavo was brain dead, really. She was on autopilot. So it just isn't the same.

And if the poor polar bear were forced to live in a loveless marriage, have a baby every nine months, cook, clean house, and be forced to go to church every Sunday and Holy Day and obey a priest, maybe get beaten by an abusive husband, too...well, maybe I'd have no problem with the polar bear killing herself with her husband's very own weapon and leaving the bastard to raise the kids himself.

But see, that would be the POLAR BEAR's choice--to end her shitty life by her OWN hand. I wouldn't want the priest or the husband to KILL the polar bear, just because she wasn't doing her polar bear duties in a way that pleased the church.

But come ON. We aren't talking about the Catholic Church here. We're talking about some mystery animal group, supposedly advocating killing a baby polar bear.

Don't extrapolate it to the point of absurdity, really.

[Rabrrrrrr]

60. I'm far beyond worrying about Schiavo or the Polar Bear - I'm talking about your statement.

And that's the only thing I've been talking about in this subthread. I'm only talking about the blanket statement you offered, in whihc you said that "a shitty life is better than no life". I offered places in which that statement is patently absurd, and harmful. It is a statement that I hate, because it has led to too much abuse of too many people; even animals.

I hope you can see that. You might think that I'm "extrapolating to the point of absurdity", but I am not - the statement "a shitty life is better than no life" is a powerful statement, bogged down with too-mighty tons of potential for abuse, and is a phrase that should never be uttered unless one is speaking specifically about one's own life.

I've already stated that I am not advocating killing the bear, so you can stop beating that dead horse - you don't need to convince me, because I've never believed or said otherwise, so I don't see why you keep bringing it up.

[MADem]

64. Well, I parsed the damn statement, yet you are still up my ass.

What the fuck do you want from me? I explained my statement, I fucking qualified it, and yet you still come back like you can't comprehend anything beyond my first post on the matter.

If a person hates their awful fucking shitty life, they're free to END it. I don't have a problem with that. If they've given power of attorney to someone to act for them, or if a court so rules, well, FINE.

But I've MADE that point. What are YOU saying--that someone ELSE has the right to end someone's shitty life? I don't get where the fuck you are going.

If the bear wants to kill himself, great. If you want to kill yourself because YOU have a shitty life, GREAT. But I don't think you should kill someone ELSE because YOU think they have a shitty life.

I think I've made myself abundantly clear on this matter. RIF.

[Tyler Durden]

21. Like Polar Bears?

When the ice is gone, so are they...except for the zoos.

[muriel_volestrangler]

68. But that is also a "non sequitur"

Because the cub has never been free. The choice is 'die in captivity', or 'live in captivity'.

[ShortnFiery]

75. Yeah, more of that Born Free memes ... when it is US (humans) who've nurtured out

the adaptability of the wild animal.

I respectfully disagree: Once you've crossed that line, IMO, you can make captivity enjoyable for the wild animals given enough living space and common sense interactions.

Proof of that is in the Wolf Breeding Programs carried out in Northern Minnesota. Over time, these scientists are "catching on" and actually creating confined areas that are not UPSETTING wolves to the point of reproduction and normal pack formations and behavior.

It takes the will of humans, but for endangered species and those who have been rescued and held for a significant length of time, IMO, to either destroy them or release them un-adaptable are UNSAT alternatives.

[Unca Jim]

4. We're freakin' killing them off...

why not help a few back from the brink?

The doofus animal rights activists argument is precious, essentially: "They are majestic and powerful predators which kill other animals in the wild, so feeding them in captivity is worse than death!"

Project your inadequacy issues much?

I'm sure the little guy is glad to be alive.

[Ninja Jordan]

6. No kidding.

[Coventina]

5. That article is really irresponsibly written.

It's not a simple issue.

It is true that raising the bear to be unafraid of humans could make him extremely dangerous later on. But that doesn't mean he should be killed, either.

My humble opinion is that shoddy journalism like this leads to flame-bait threads like this one will probably become.

[lukasahero]

18. Thank you

This isn't even the first thread of the day on this but people are still buying into that "evil animal activists" routine.

[Unca Jim]

63. Just for the record...

I think most animal rights activists are fine, reasonable people and I support their good work. We adopt animals from the no-kill shelters they set up that didn't exist when I was a boy, and we're grateful to be informed about cruelty and mistreatment issues.

That said, the guy in the article has it completely wrong.

[lukasahero]

73. Oh god, you have no argument from me there

And I'd go further to suggest he's a (expletives deleted).

Welcome to DU, by the way. The reason I have been so adamant about getting the correct information out is because "animal right's activists" are being maligned by the media (just as the anti-war crowd is) in order to invalidate their positions.

It is frustrating to see so many people just accept the damaging claims in this article without critically considering the details of the story (i.e. - there aren't any) nor considering the potential agendas of the sources cited when it comes to claims against animal activists.

[Unca Jim]

78. Understood.

I know what it's like when a group you support or are part of is under attack. I felt like your responses were very reasonable, for what it's worth.

[badgerpup]

7. Too bad we can't get the bear's opinion on this...

As it is, if there IS a place for him to live safely and happily, then fer cryin' out loud, let him do it!

The article mentioned that he would be available for stud services, and you want as much variety in the gene pool as you can get- ESPECIALLY if a species is endangered.

[Ninja Jordan]

10. Some animal rights groups have jumped the shark (no pun)

this is ridiculous.

[bryant69]

12. Maybe they are time travelling animal rights activists

and they know this bear will grow up to be Hitler.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Ninja Jordan]

15. They're animal terminators, sent back in time to kill the bear cub who will lead the rebellion

This bear is John Connor.

[donco6]

13. Mmmm a PETA-ish thread. And it's been so long.

:popcorn:

[aikoaiko]

16. The German solution to the polar bear problem?

This Frank Albrecht, animal activist, sounds like loony bomb thrower.

[WhollyHeretic]

17. What the hell is wrong with those nuts over at PETA?

Just thought I'd get it out of the way since comments like that will no doubt be coming.

[lukasahero]

20. In case you're not joking

Not a single, verifiable animal rights organization has been cited regarding this.

[Tyler Durden]

27. Naw. Just kill dogs and cats at PETA.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL
http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/0118/PETA_ctv.html

I support NO KILL, not "I'LL KILL THEM IF I THINK IT'S RIGHT."

[lukasahero]

32. 2 employees who were rightly arrested, prosecuted and convicted

does not an organizational philosophy make. As for much of the rest of the claims, please note the source: "Center for Consumer Freedom, which represents the food industry."

[Beaverhausen]

39. CCF also represents the oil industry, the tobacco industry and the alcohol industry

Center for Consumer Freedom is a joke.

[lukasahero]

42. I don't get it

There's so much skepticism here regarding the media and who presents the "facts" but when it comes to certain topics all critical thinking skills get tossed out the window.

[Tyler Durden]

47. FACTS are FACTS

Satan my use scripture, but that doesn't change the fact that PETA KILLS most of the animals they "rescue."

I would be supportive if they practiced what they preached, instead of waving their "Better Dead than Fed" attitude around. They've done a lot of good, but this ain't it.

[MADem]

40. That's not true, though. READ both articles. Those "two" didn't kill thousands in Virginia

PETA collects money and uses it not to save animals, but to push an agenda. The PETA hierarchy was mad because those particular assholes put the bodies in the dumpster instead of cremating them.

Ooops, they got CAUGHT!

Two employees, yep, sure--carrying out an organizational policy responsible for THOUSANDS of pet deaths, at a minimum.

As for the cites, I don't think you can dismiss the truth about Peta, Cats, and Dogs quite so easily.

I am guessing SFGATE and Court TV and the Virginian-Pilot do a halfway decent job of checking THEIR facts. And I'm guessing those cops who found all those dead dogs in the dumpster weren't working for the "man" either.

What a bunch of evil putzes. But hey, why wouldn't they con the tenderhearted? It's way too common a practice nowadays, and an easy way to make money, I guess. May KARMA await them.

[Tyler Durden]

41. Tell you what: I'm with AKC and the No Kill shelters....

And here's a quote from PETA's honcho:

"Newkirk unabashedly describes her zeal for killing in her own words: "I'd go to work early, before anyone got there, and I would just kill the animals myself...I must have killed a thousand of them, sometimes dozens every day." She was so good at it she rose through the ranks to become director of District of Columbia's high-kill pound where she reigned for some years. There, under her rule, untold thousands more died."

http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm

I oppose animal testing, I and my family TRY to avoid meat, but anyone who places their own opinion of which animals get to live and die might as well go work for Burger King.

[Beaverhausen]

46. Do you know anything about the goup where you keep getting these quotes?

The center for consumer freedom? Do some reseach - you might want to stop quoting them.

[lukasahero]

50. OMG - and you're calling PETA extremists?

Here's another quote from your web source: "During the 1970's her chosen profession was "dog catcher""

Yes, back in the '70's city pounds euthanized dogs and cats. This web site makes it sound like she took pleasure out of killing them with her bare hands. Give me a break - talk about spin.

[Tyler Durden]

67. Her own words say she showed up EARLY to kill animals.

She does not dispute this, and voices full support for the killers.

What are we SUPPOSED to think?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

52. You side with the AKC...an organization that encourages the mutilation of animals

Tail docking? Ear Cropping? And they don't deny it, in fact they are in a panic because NY is trying to prohibit it. I've stood by and cared for animals that have had these procedures. How dare any organization that claims to care about dogs support it.

http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=2878

[Tyler Durden]

66. NO I do not support the ear docking and tail docking....

But I suppose you agree with every single thing that each organization you support espouses, right?

Sure.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

69. Ta Da! Bingo!

Guess what? Not every PETA member agrees with every PETA position!

[Tyler Durden]

72. EXACTLY. But some opinions are DEAL KILLERS.

AS in all situations.

Committing fraud to kill animals because in your "opinion" they are "better off dead" is mine.

[Beaverhausen]

33. It would be a great world if no dogs and cats had to be euthanized

But there are just too many unwanted animals out there, and not enough homes.

[Tyler Durden]

44. PETA has enough money in VA to support ALL shelters as "no kill.'

They just don't choose to spend the money that way.

[MADem]

38. WOW. I thought those PETA bozos were just a bunch of cranks. What mendacious fucks!!!

From your first cite: This is not the first report that PETA killed animals it claimed to protect. In 1991, PETA killed 18 rabbits and 14 roosters it had previously "rescued" from a research facility. "We just don't have the money" to care for them, then PETA-Chairman Alex Pacheco told the Washington Times. The PETA animal shelter had run out of room.

The Center for Consumer Freedom, which represents the food industry, a frequent target of PETA campaigns, released data filed by PETA with the state of Virginia that shows PETA has killed more than 10,000 animals from 1998 to 2003. "In 2003, PETA euthanized over 85 percent of the animals it took in," said a press release from the lobby, "finding adoptive homes for just 14 percent. By comparison, the Norfolk (Va.) SPCA found adoptive homes for 73 percent of its animals and Virginia Beach SPCA adopted out 66 percent."

The Center's David Martosko considered PETA's hefty budget -- reportedly, $20 million -- and many contributions from well-heeled Hollywood celebrities, then figured, "PETA has enough money in the bank to care for every unwanted animal in Virginia (where it has its headquarters) and North Carolina."

PETA prefers to spend donations, apparently, not caring for flesh-and- blood animals entrusted to it but on campaigns attacking medical researchers, meat-eaters or women wearing furs. It is as if PETA prefers the idea of animals to animals themselves.

And from your second:

If the van's cargo — 10 dead dogs and three dead cats in black bags — was to be expected, its occupants were not. The driver and the passenger were employees of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and the vehicle was registered to the organization.

The workers, Adria Hinkle, 28, and Andrew Cook, 25, were arrested and later indicted on 24 felony charges, including 21 counts of animal cruelty, for injecting lethal doses of an anesthetic into strays they had just collected from county shelters and a veterinarian's office....Critics have charged that many of the group's loyal supporters will be shocked when details of PETA's euthanasia policy emerge. The Virginian-Pilot reported that the group euthanized more than 6,000 animals between 2001 and 2003, about 83 percent of those it collected.

...One veterinarian, Patrick Proctor, said that when he handed the black cat and her kittens to Hinkle and Cook, they cooed over the animals and said they would be easy to place. "They were saying, 'My, what beautiful animals. We will have absolutely no trouble finding homes for these,'" the veterinarian told CNN.

...Newkirk has said that Hinkle and Cook deviated from PETA policy by disposing of the bodies in the Dumpster rather than cremating them.

This is pretty damned disgusting. What a bunch of self-aggrandizing, holier-than-thou, bullshitting shitheads.

Thanks for those links. Quite the eye-openers, those.

[Tyler Durden]

51. Don't you know..PETA can do no wrong? Satire off.

The problem is: they reserve the right to decide that these animals, healthy and not in pain or injured, are better off dead.

I don't feel that's their call; neither is fraudulently "rescuing" animals to kill them themselves.

[WhollyHeretic]

28. I know. I saw that sort of shit in the other thread so I thought I'd get

it out of the way here

[Beaverhausen]

22. Does anyone have any information on this supposed animal rights group?

The Foundation for Bears? Can't find anything on it. I think this whole story is bogus.

[lukasahero]

25. Check the other thread - no one can find anything

and there are no other groups listed in the article. This is a hit piece!

[Igel]

37. The article in das Bild didn't give any group ID, either.

It did say that Albrecht makes his living installing windows (if I understood it correctly).

[Coventina]

26. See how beautifully it worked here on DU!

Quote one person saying something that can be interpreted as outrageous, and BOOM! It becomes the alleged stance of all animal rights activists across time.

:puke:

[ShortnFiery]

77. Here's a thought: We could have Sigfried and Roy train them ...

and when they're full grown, we can offer FREE photo ops with them next to Republican Candidates and Representatives? :rofl: No, I'm NOT advocating that Agents Mike and Mary :blush: ... they need a separate (protected from humans and vice versa) environment. However, anyone with photo-shop talent could give us a funny PIC, i.e., a la all those "see Representative X in a picture with a tiger" type exhibits. :P :shrug:

[The Straight Story]

24. brb, I have to go kill my dog

he is sleeping peacefully on the couch with his toy stuffed cat, he just got done eating.

He is miserable and his life must suck. Death to all domestic animals should be enacted into legislation today, we need to call congress right now and have em push it through.

[MADem]

30. Oooooh, jeeeeeeeeeez (Archie Bunker whine)

I got TWO dogs, and a BIRD. There goes MY afternoon....

[The Straight Story]

31. I forgot about my bird, looks like I am eating good tonight! (nt)

[MADem]

45. Fatten him up for a few days, use up the rest of his seed, he'll make better eatin'!! NT

[ShortnFiery]

76. Yeah, excuse me while I go make an appointment to put my 13 y.o. mix down.

We've been blessed with a beautiful mixed breed dog who we adopted 13 years ago in Okinawa, Japan,(she was an abandoned puppy). She still enjoys the family and begs for daily walks but we will not allow her to suffer. She is a true blessing to our family (and many others though past canine good citizen exchanges and therapy dog work) and we will grieve when God takes her from us.

Like our beloved pet dog, if you've adopted and nurtured out the "wildness" of an animal, their lives are YOUR responsibility, IMO, for life.

I know many people don't believe that and often don't take pet adoption seriously, but we do ... we always have. :shrug:

[WhollyHeretic]

34. Abortion is "barbaric killing of unborn babies" say Democrats

[SemiCharmedQuark]

35. PERFECT

Thank you.

[lukasahero]

36. Absolutely brilliant

It's really easy to recognize if we want to, isn't it?

[MADem]

48. Hey, Jack Murtha has the same opinion. And plenty of people here like him just fine

Myself included--his war stance outweighs his other policy weaknesses, IMO.

There are more anti-choice Democrats in Congress than you realize.

If you're a "one issue" voter, though, and you live in Jack's district, you have to make a decision or two in the voting booth.

[WhollyHeretic]

58. WHOOSH!!

[NashVegas]

49. Previous Discussion Where Several DUers Doubt the Veracity of This Story

Is today "let's pick on PETA" day?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x455217

[MADem]

53. Well, PETA has their OWN problems, and they are real. But no one but people

who are complaining about the negative discussion about PETA's hideous practices in the subthreads here are "making the connection."

I think PETA actually ARE a bunch of animal killing assholes (based on the SFGATE, Virginian-Pilot and COURT TV reporting), AND at the same time, I am not convinced that this "Kill the Polar Bear" crowd have anything at ALL to do with PETA.

Two thoughts. Held at the same time. With no difficulty.

[lukasahero]

54. Based on two articles you only just saw now?

That's quite a long considered opinion on your part.

[MADem]

56. I'm basing my view on the sources. I don't think that SFGATE, Court TV and the

Virginian-Pilot, all "old media" outlets, are ALL gonna "make shit up" to discredit PETA--despite that vague grasp at such an inference.

The articles are carefully written, the cite law enforcement authorities, veterinarians, CNN interviews, and other sources. I am familiar with ALL of these sources, having read them before. They aren't "fly by night" resources by any stretch. They do have reputations.

What, should I be thinking that these print media reporters, this television outlet, are somehow tossing their journalistic credentials to the wind, and colluding with all of these disparate agencies solely to somehow "discredit" PETA?

Come on.

And it isn't a "long, considered, opinion." It's quite brief, actually. Go read some Supreme Court opinions if you want "long, considered" viewpoints on any number of issues.

[SteveM]

57. Such imperialism.

Imagine: an animal must "live free or die" (a human notion). When I hunt and kill a deer, at least I know it is for food.

[flvegan]

59. I believe the group in question is Stiftung für Bären.

Likely translates into Foundation for Bears.

And yes, euthanizing this bear is (from what's stated in the article) idiotic.

[rec_report]

62. That little bear is so cute, he has to live...

Poor Knut... :cry:

Polar Bear

[MADem]

65. Keith Olbermann had the story on the air--I'll bet the bear is safe! NT

[MrSlayer]

70. Maybe he'll discover his "inner bear" at some point and kill his handlers.

Sweet revenge. These guys should think ahead instead of killing the bear in haste. It's a marathon not a sprint.

;)

[CrownPrinceBandar]

71. Thats what I was thinking.........

Its a polar bear, for Christ's sake! Pretty soon age, mass and instinct will make it downright dangerous to keep as a pet.

OTOH, their habitat is rapidly shrinking at our hands.

[ShortnFiery]

74. This is silly. If it would never be put back out in the wild, what the hell - it's great to be a ..

pet when you have common sense, intelligent and loving owners. Duh, THUD. :P

I always thought that that documentaries/movies ("Elsa" and "Free Willy" come to mind) were far too simplistic in their themes. THAT IS, once you raise a wild animal with human love and interaction, IMO, YOU (the human) are responsible to at the very least, monitor it's adaption back to the wild ... and be prepared to rescue it back into captivity if you've nurtured it's adaptability to the point where it is unable to re-integrate.

StooPID Humans! There's nuts on both sides of this issue.

How about using some of that God Given HUMANITY that us so called "higher animals" are blessed with. :shrug: :(