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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:15 PM Original message |
"Governing from the Center" is Just Warmed Over Conservatism |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Agreed. nt |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. Have to agree |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. You say "capitalist system & U.S. imperialist hegemony" like it's a bad thing |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. Horse-Fucking-Shit |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Do you have a list of things |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Until you understand the center, you will never persuade it |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Governing from "the center" |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You just made my point, believe it or not |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. i think the disagreement may be over terms. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. A very good possibility - Nomenclature can be tricky |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-04-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
76. not sure what you're missing. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. not true about governing from the center |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 06:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Propaganda works, for a while |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. The trouble with being an alarm clock.. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I hear ya |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 06:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. "The United States is a deeply flawed nation, no doubt about it. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. "Flawed" does not equal "Failed" |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. It really isn't about "understanding" the center |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I'd submit that understanding is a prerequisite for definition nt |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. But defining tells you just what it is you are supposed to understand n/t |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Definitions are words that we use to help describe reality |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. The reality is that 92% of Dems and 51% or Repubs want government paid universal health care |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Well, I am going to commit a mild bit of heresy here |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. He's not with the majority is he? He's trying to peddle the garbage about the centrre |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Obama won because he IS in touch with the Majority Center |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Precisely. And you will see that where that is located is not where you think it is. And |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Being accused of something does not = being guilty of it |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. True, but things have moved on a lot from that epoch, even in the US, and they're |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. No disagreement there |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Bull fucking shit! |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 06:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Again, someone who speaks without understanding |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
33. "Centrism" as a compromise between Democratic corporate conservatism... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. If that were an accurate description of Centrism, perhaps so |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. It is exactly the point. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yeah, but speaking as a Centrist, I am not buying this re-labeling |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Yeah. I don't think the term "centrist" means anything... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. The Punditocracy has it own definition of 'Center' |
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gogoplata (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
6. Bravo. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. Wait a minute. You honestly thought Obama would "dismantle the capitalist system"? |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. No, that wasn't me... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. I will answer this one |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
11. K&R....n/t |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. its worse its the NWO agenda crap |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Do you remember who said that? |
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western mass (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
17. Corporatism is a better word. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
46. Corporatism is misleading |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. Well said. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
20. another sterling example of black/white reactionary nonsense |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. So it's okay for you to voice your opposition? But no one else on DU is allowed to? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Deleted message |
earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
71. You shut down and smear people whenever they post something you don't agree with. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. i will pray for you. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. feel free. whatever floats your boat |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
70. Anytime you have these people cheering for you, |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
29. Call it what you will, Clinton left this country in much better shape after eight years of centrism |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. It was true in my case |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Says the person who STILL doesn't get that Gore was WRONG about NAFTA |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
36. What's wrong with being in the middle of the road? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
37. In the United States, we have a far-right corporate party |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. or in prison |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
45. Here's 20 for truth. n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
49. Thanks for this. This site is in danger of becoming "StatusQuo Underground" some days...nt |
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Red Menace (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
53. Stubborn blindness? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Naw, centrists aren't fools |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Tools, eh? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Yeah... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You have cut me to the quick, sirrah! |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
55. k*r The "compromise" excuse |
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JoseGaspar (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
60. The center is a shifting point. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. A centrist's reply: |
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JoseGaspar (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Your "centrist's reply" is typically personal. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. As it should be. I am basing my reply on what I know to be true |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Where does... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Couldn't tell ya |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
62. Obama's promise was to change the tone in Washington. |
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JoseGaspar (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. And |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. What does that mean? |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
74. I call it DIPLOMACY. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
75. I agree without reservation. |
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