The 60 seat majority meme was always b.s.

[Joe Fields]

Of course it's always nice to win as many seats as possible, but I say that shame needs to be cast upon our democratic leaders for continuing to leave the threshold of competence so low in D.C. I say that, because I have witnessed many an administration in my lifetime, administrations where we had REAL democratic leaders in both the house and the senate. It didn't matter whether we were the majority or minority party. We had leaders that knew how to utilize the art of politics to get things done. Keep in mind that only once in our history have we had a filibuster proof senate.

Today's crop of leaders have placed all importance of getting any meaningful legislation passed on the premise of having a filibuster proof senate. In other words, it's been nothing more than a set-up, a smoke screen to use as their number one excuse that they will trot out now, since we won't have 60 dems in the senate, when gridlock continues, or as republican legislation continues to be passed, couched as "centrist" legislation.

Everyone here MUST realize that, even if we had 60 democrats in the senate, they would never have voted in lockstep. Too many blue dogs and "republican lights" in our mix of democrats.

No, fellow DUers, it was nothing more than an excuse.

[marauding liberal]

1. I concur.

[bluestateguy]

2. Oly Snow, Collins and Specter will not always join Republican fillibusters

And they may want to look at the presidential election returns from their states before deciding to do such a thing.

[Joe Fields]

5. Naturally, it would depend on the issue.

But if you think that would balance out the number of "moderate" dems, I can assure you that won't happen.

[Oregone]

3. Now they can pretend to need to be "pragmatic"

[gogoplata]

4. I am in accordance with this view.

[Javaman]

6. the best part about the non 60 seat deal is there is no reason to

placate lieberman anymore (not like there ever was to begin with).

now, if the senate Dems (read harry reid) bitch and moan now about how they can't get anything passed because they don't have a super majority, he can go fuck himself sideways.