My temperature began to rise as I listened to Huckabee talk about abortion.

[Avalux]

I was stuck in traffic at lunchtime, trying to get back to work; the traffic and Huckabee's twisted views on life were not a good combination. Nevertheless, I was compelled to listen as he was interviewed on NPR, and not once challenged about what he said.

Huckabee believes that we have taught our children it is OK to dispose of life when that life is an incovenience. When economics and circumstances make having a baby difficult, we tell them to go see a doctor and get rid of that life.

Bause we have taught them this, our children will be more inclined to dispose of other lives; specifically elderly people (US) they no longer wish to or cannot care for any longer.

He said that if they can kill an 8 month old baby in the womb, they won't have any problem killing us.

I have to admit I've never heard this twist on abortion by the pro-life crowd. At first I was surprised, then angered.

No one ever wants to have an abortion; there is no such thing as being pro-abortion (he used that term). For Huckabee to portray young people as blood-thirsy baby killers who could just a soon kill grandma is outrageous.

Apparently the Republican Party is in no hurry to give up their hysterical wedge issues. I expect they will go even further to the Right, as this interview indicates.

[slackmaster]

1. Don't you have any other radio stations worth listening to?

I'm sure you've heard the anti-abortion line before. Why subject yourself to something that raises your blood pressure?

[Avalux]

2. Actually, I hadn't heard that one.

And no, there isn't anything else to listen to in my area.

[OnyxCollie]

36. The internets are your friend.

AM 1090 KPTK Seattle. WA
http://www.am1090seattle.com/pages/13408.php

AM 1580 WVKO Columbus, OH
http://www.wvko1580.com/

AM 950 KTNF Minneapolis, MN
http://www.am950ktnf.com/about

NOVA-M
http://www.novamradio.com/live/

I listen to these all day. I used to have progressive radio where I live, then it became FOX Sports Ohio.

If you're not online or have dial-up, I don't know what to tell ya.

[Kalyke]

13. The poster lives in the South.

In the South, we are not allowed to have any other radio shows besides right-wing shows (Memphis, Austin and Atlanta being the only exceptions).

We are constantly assaulted with the RusHanSavBoortz's, along with our local frothy-mouthed wingnuttery, without ever being given the opportunity to listen to any other ideas, including liberal, left, moderate or simply paelo-Conservative.

That is why the South continues to vote as it does: many of its people don't have all the information they need to make reasoned choices (pocketbook over wedge issues).

[RebelOne]

16. Atlanta being an exception?

I beg to differ. I live in the Atlanta metro area and I have not found one left-wing station. Air America was here for a while, but I can't get it anymore.

[Kalyke]

17. I stand corrected.

I didn't know that Air America had left. And, I'm sorry. A blue city like Atlanta doesn't even get a left-wing radio show!!! How sad is that?!

But, in any case, that makes the point of my post even more valid.

[CottonBear]

25. Atlanta, GA and Athens, GA (blue cities) have only right-wing talk radio.

There is virtually no progressive talk radio in the entire state.

Air America lasted less than a year.

[LynneSin]

3. I don't think any parent teaches that to their child

But then again this is the party that thinks gay marriage will cause all the straight people to divorce.

[Avalux]

5. Of course parents don't teach that -

Huckabee would have people think that though. I guess I am still shocked sometimes that people buy into the RW crap.

[hfojvt]

28. no, that's not what he's saying

He's saying that they teach it by example.

[Barack_America]

Honestly, I hope he shouts that shit from the rooftops...

Huckabee is otheriwse dangerously likable. I know liberals who found themselves half-liking the guy until he started spewing his fundie anti-choice BS.

[Rambis]

4. ChuckaBee

Too similar is you ask me-

[ginnyinWI]

6. I heard it too.

I thought, what an ideologue, and that it's a good thing these guys have been marginalized. He still thinks it's a center-right country and all they have to do is state their message clearly to get the votes back. As if the realities of the last eight years don't matter! All the mistakes and corruption that have been laid at the feet of the GOP have not escaped the notice of the average middle of the road voter. It's going to take more than a clearer message, it's going to take a complete overhaul!

Younger people, even Republicans are a lot more tolerant of abortion. And many of these more enlightened types in their party are starting to focus on helping mothers keep their children, etc, which sounds a lot more useful to me than bombing clinics.

[Avalux]

10. He refused to admit the extremism of the Republican party

had anything to do with losing the election. Did you hear him sidestep the question about pro-choice Republicans? He wouldn't answer if they are welcomed into the party.

[berni_mccoy]

7. Note to Anti-Choice Nutjobs: It's not an 8-month old baby until it's been born

and out of the womb for 8 months.

What's inside the woman, until it's born, is a fetus, not a person.

[Avalux]

11. That's exactly what I was thinking.

He kept saying it was a life and a baby before it's born. No matter how far along the pregnancy.

[JDPriestly]

21. More important: Passing a law against abortion will not stop

abortions. It will just make them less safe.

Did passing a law against drunk driving stop drunk driving? No.

Did passing a law against beating your child to a pulp stop child abuse? No.

Did passing laws against marijuana and other drugs stop drug use? No.

Did Prohibition stop alcohol use? No.

Women will continue to have abortions no matter how many laws are passed against them. And many more women will die from abortions than do now if they are made illegal. So if you want to save the lives of your sisters and daughters and, yes, wives and mothers, keep abortion safe, legal and as rare as possible.

It's on this latter point that we should try to build consensus. The best way to prevent and abortion is to give people information about and access to birth control. And the best way to do that is to make sure that birth control information is available everywhere to all.

[spanone]

8. he's so wrong, where do you start?

:thumbsdown: :shrug:

[county worker]

9. I think it is a good thing not to have kids if economics and circumstances make being a parent who

can support a family very difficult. It is a wise choice not to bring kids into a world of poverty and suffering.

Pro life people don't give a shit what happens after the kid is born. You are just not suppose to take family planning into consideration. Just accept children willingly from God.

I talked to a priest over Thanksgiving he told me that per the church, having sex and creating kids is the natural thing and therefore anything else is forbidden. Per the Church that leaves out sex for pleasure, birth control, family planning and gay marriage according to him. Of course we disagree but I don't get into an argument with him.

[Democrats_win]

12. They Right Wing Republican party didn't even vote for him.

As America suffers through bush's economic depression, the fringe issues don't matter anymore.

[Warpy]

14. Killing a full term pregnancy for convenience,

say winning a cruise in a lottery, has been a favorite lie of the far right. They pretend an extreme late term abortion is easier than childbirth.

These people honestly believe a woman would do that to a wanted pregnancy, that a physician would comply, and that state law would allow it.

It demonstrates a visceral contempt for women, for the medical profession, and for anyone they say this stuff to.

Huckabee is one of the worst out there for spewing this garbage. He will never be challenged nor will he check his "facts." He is trying to gain power by lying and encouraging hatred.

There is no lie too transparent, too hateful, or too low for these people to spread. Our job is to challenge them whenever an opportunity presents itself, to identify the motivation and behavior, and to rub their noses in the stink of their own souls.

[sinkingfeeling]

15. I've heard or read that crap before. Huck is a Southern Baptist minister and so

cares less about people after they're born. They always want us to believe that people are inherently evil and without being 'saved' would kill each other just to watch somebody die. I'd like to ask him what bombing innocent civilians teaches our children. What that lovely motto, "Might makes right" says to them.

[donco6]

30. Yes, I've heard all that crap before in my Fundie days.

Christians tend to believe, as you say, that non-Christians are just criminals waiting to happen.

[KamaAina]

18. And yet Schmuckabee has no problem with killing Iraqi children

as long as they're brown, and there's oil underneath them, I guess. :eyes:

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[gratuitous]

19. Golly Mike, after eight years of Republican hegemony

You'd have thought that if this was an issue that the GOP gave two hoots about, they would have done something about it. But all that time with their majorities in each house of Congress, a pliable president, and a quiescent supreme court, the last eight years would have been the perfect time to criminalize abortion and save all those pre-babies.

But.

You.

Didn't.

I wonder why not? Could it be that this is all just a show for folks who truly and honestly believe in what you're saying? Because it sure doesn't look like the Republican office-holders were particularly anxious to match their deeds with their words. Tell me, Mike, since you're all religious and stuff, what is faith without works? No fair peeking!

[JerseygirlCT]

20. They need to cling to this belief

Because to look at it more clearly - that abortion in most circumstances is not a happily sought after celebration of some sort, but an unfortunate solution to a difficult situation - either medical, financial or emotional - and that the vast majority of abortions do not happen at 8 months, either - means they have to re-examine their claimed sympathy and sensitivity.

Making evil enemies of women in bad situations is much easier on their sensitivities. Much easier to hold to their guns and congratulate themselves on their good and holy "pro-life" stance that way, facts be damned.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. WHO the hell does elective 8-month abortions?

Nobody, that's who. Such things only happen when the foetus is severely malformed and becomes a serious threat to the mother. A bit more than an "inconvenience."

Huckabee is evil.

[slackmaster]

34. If memory serves, there is only one state where you can get an elective one at 8 months

Louisiana.

[DonEBrook]

23. I heard that and also when he defended the death penalty.

So the sonofabitch is a hypocrite...as if we didn't know. :grr:

[pipi_k]

33. But see, they justify that...

by claiming that people on Death Row aren't "innocent".

Never mind that a couple of them just MIGHT be innocent...and it has happened in the past...

no...unlike innocent little babies, they are guilty and deserve to die, even if they're not really guilty.


Although, as I pointed out somewhere else, that's also where their logic (if you can call it that) ends because once those "innocent" babies are born, they don't give two rat's asses about them anymore.

Fuck 'em...they can die for all they care

all that matters is making believe that they care so much about "innocent life" and then they suddenly go deaf, dumb, and blind when it comes to little kids getting their heads and arms and legs blown off or being beaten within an inch of their lives (and sometimes beyond).


OMG

my blood pressure is rising...I have to stop now

:mad:

[Hekate]

24. That line of attack has been around for quite awhile. The problem with Huck is he's so NICE... until

The man has dimples, f'godsake. He's so adorable I wouldn't mind living next door to him and joking about our "dueling yard signs." He'd joke back.

Do I want him anywhere near my government? HELL NO.

Hekate

[hfojvt]

26. you never heard of that one before?

They have been saying it for decades. It's not original with Huckabee. They rail against "right to die" laws too.

I think there must be some people who are pro-abortion. Huckabee's not blaming the young people, he's blaming the culture that teaches these values to the young people.

[ColbertWatcher]

27. I'm glad Fuckabee is being given a soapbox on which to spew.

If only to reveal his true nature for everyone to see.

[VOX]

29. And where are these nutcases when it comes to capital punishment? (Birth control after the fact.)

The RWer would say, "Well, that's not innocent life."

No, it's not, but it's **life** nonetheless. Since the right wing of the right-wing party loves to wear it religion on its sleeve, let's approach it from that angle: Maybe that convict who was just executed would have come to Jesus a year from now, had he been spared. Who are you to play God? Remember, Jesus broke up at least one execution -- "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

In the meantime, the United States clings to capital punishment (could government get any bigger, being empowered to take a life?), along with every sad little country on the globe. And the countries we most resemble: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Italy, etc. have all long since abolished the DP.

[WCGreen]

31. This hoary old sentiment has been around for years and years...

Blantant disregard for life...

What do they think cutting aid to the poor is?

Very Christian like.

[pipi_k]

32. Imagine being in your own home when friends suddenly go off on this one

The Mr and I have some friends who believe the same crap as Huckabee spewed out. Mostly they have come to learn that we don't want to hear it.

Well in October they were here along with some other friends that they also know. I don't know how or when it started, but it quickly turned into a diatribe on equating abortion with "murder", blah blah blah...and this couple both got into it quite heavily.

Neither of them were ever told that my daughter has had a couple of abortions (with my full support). These people just don't get the whole concept of someone being Pro Choice but not Pro Abortion.

Anyway, the wife was incensed...I mean, LIVID...about the fact that one of her sons actually PAID FOR his girlfriend to have an abortion. She feels she has been unjustifiably denied the pleasure of a grandchild (although she does have two others via her daughter). Imagine the gross selfishness of someone wanting to impose birth and parenthood on someone else because THEY want a grandchild...Oh yeah? Are they going to be the ones getting up in the fucking middle of the night? Are they going to be raising the kid and supporting it for 18 years?

NO.

I'm still really shocked and disappointed. And a little ashamed for not saying anything, but at that point I was stunned and didn't know what the hell to say.

To his credit, Mr Pip did bring up the fact that REAL murder has been going on in places like Darfur, etc.

But you know...they just don't get it. I don't think they ever will.

They don't see the sickness behind allowing unwanted babies to be born just so they can be neglected or abused or, at the very least, know they're unwanted.

They're so quick to defend the "innocent lives" and then turn their backs on them once the poor mites are born.

Honestly, if there's any issue that makes me want to strangle people, this is it.

[Mz Pip]

35. I would love for Mike to find

an example anywhere where a doctor would do a late term abortion just for convenience sake. It doesn't happen and that is not what Roe v Wade covers.

"Partial birth abortions" are the biggest red herring in the anti abortion arsenal.