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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:01 PM
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I've been wondering about something..
and I'm hoping someone can enlighten me. How does the collapse of the auto industry affect their subsidiaries, their global factories and workers, their partnerships as well as their other holdings in unrelated industries?
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:04 PM
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1. One word:
Dominoes.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:34 PM
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6. And the next dominoes are all the items and services the people can't buy
because they're out of work and have no insurance.

Retail items including durable goods.

Clothing

Kids sports teams and uniforms

Doctors and dentists

Hospitals and drugstores

Opticians and eyeglass creators

Just a short list.

In other words, depression.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:06 PM
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2. In the US,14 million jobs or so
if Ford closes in Mexico and Canda as well, you are talking about another 20 million or so... and the domino effect will swiftly expand and take us from a deep recession to a depression
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:22 PM
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3. I mean this kind of stuff...
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 08:36 PM by stillcool47
and subsidiaries unrelated to the auto industry, or subsidiaries in which GM has a stake.

What does this mean..manufacturing and apparel?
http://www.zeebob.com/ZStockGJMBGM.html

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/General-Motors-Corporation-Company-History.html
The mid-to-late 1990s saw a number of important initiatives in GM's non-automaking operations. In 1994 the renamed Hughes Electronics unit introduced Direct TV, a satellite-based direct-to-home broadcast service. The 1995 sale of the company's National Car Rental business was followed by the spinoff of EDS the following year. One year later, Hughes Electronics was revamped through the sale of its defense electronics operations to Raytheon Company and the merging of its automotive electronics activities (Delco Electronics) into GM's auto parts subsidiary, Delphi Automotive Systems. Hughes began concentrating on digital entertainment, information, and communications services and made a key acquisition in 1999 when it paid $1.3 billion for the direct-to-home satellite business of Primestar. In early 2000 Hughes would make a further divestment of a then noncore unit, selling its satellite manufacturing operations to the Boeing Company for about $3.75 billion. Delphi, meanwhile, would be completely separated from GM through a May 1999 spinoff to shareholders.

GM remained profitable through the end of the decade, but its U.S. market share dipped below 30 percent by 1999; at times GM's share was less than that of the combined share of all Asian automakers, an unprecedented development. While continuing to attempt to reverse the now three-decades-long fall, GM began looking for future growth from Asia, where early 21st-century growth in car sales was expected to surpass both North America and Europe. Instead of attempting to directly sell its own models, GM began assembling a network of alliances with key Asian automakers for its push into that emerging continent, aiming to increase its market share across Asia from its late 1990s level of 4 to 10 percent by 2005. The company already had a 34 percent stake in Isuzu Motors Ltd., which it had bought in 1971, and a 3 percent stake in Suzuki Motor Corporation, obtained in 1981. In 1998 GM increased its stake in Suzuki to 10 percent and agreed to build cars with the Japanese automaker. The following year GM increased its stake in Isuzu to 49 percent; acquired a 20 percent stake in Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd., maker of Subaru all-wheel-drive vehicles; and entered into an alliance with Honda Motor Co., Ltd. involving Honda producing low-emissions gasoline engines for GM and Isuzu producing diesel engines for Honda.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:31 PM
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4. Yeah those are the dominos and why people are talking 14 M in the states
the rest of the companies are not enough to keep many of these companies going

And the engine in the escape is a first gen Honda engine... again not enough busines and it will have effects

Perhaps even world wide effects

As is, right now Honda and Toyota bled ink this quarter.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:42 PM
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7. so are all their holdings..
in other industries going to be affected, and all the subsidiaries throughout the world?...and why aren't we hearing about this?

http://www.transnationale.org/companies/general_motors.php
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:45 PM
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8. Because nobody is willing to connect the dots
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 08:46 PM by nadinbrzezinski
it is really complex...

That said, this weave... thank globalization

Why I wrote when this mess became obvious that globalization (as we know it) is over

It may remain as a fact of life, but it will change substantially

That is going to be one of the effects of this crisis... and perhaps even NAFTA and other "free trade" agreements will go too... in the short term, with horrible effects... due to all those connections

And for analysis google asia times online. That paper has been fantastic over the last few years... and yes, they will go there

I forgot, the Economist has also gone there, as well as FPR (Foreign Policy Review)
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DonEBrook Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:32 PM
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5. Adversely.
...
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:56 PM
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9. we're doomed... duoh!
America can't survive (can it?) without all those cars being produced.

Take away cars and all we have is our feet, and all our feet need is shoes, and shoes are too cheap. Besides, shoes come from China. And Chinese don't make but maybe $1 an hour, except for the millionaires, and all 900 million of them, I betcha, wear pretty much the same kind of shoes that aren't made here. I'm not just kidding!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 09:17 PM
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10. what does that have to do..
with the global investment holdings of GM?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 09:27 PM
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11. We could take those investments
And buy shoes for everyone, and keep the Chinese employed.

Not everyone needs a car, but everyone needs shoes. Except for those sweet, young and tender, barefoot and pregnant, young lasses we all love. And beach bums. And Amazonian lost tribes.
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