MIke Malloy just said Howard Hunt made a deathbed confession about JFK

[Greeby]

Namely, Hunt claimed "rogue CIA agents" approached him about a plot to kill Kennedy in November 1963, but he declined.

Malloy says this was on the MSNBC ticker, anyone got a link? :shrug:

[WiseButAngrySara]

1. No link. ...n/t

[ewoden]

2. here ya go, read down a ways

http://www.calendarlive.com/books/cl-na-hunt20mar20,0,7304061.story?coll=cl-books-util

[Tom Joad]

3. I read about that this morning. I am not convinced. and he said, supposedly

that he knew who did it (or how someone he knows might have done it)
I think oswald did it. damn, kennedy served the status quo in washington just fine, don't think he had any enemies there.

[dflprincess]

7. The only thing I don't believe is that Hunt declined to be involved

From the link (above)

http://www.calendarlive.com/books/cl-na-hunt20mar20,0,7...

It had always been suspected that Hunt shared his Cuban exile friends' hatred of Kennedy, who refused to provide air cover to rescue the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion that Hunt helped organize.

"He told me in no uncertain terms about a plot originating in Miami, to take place in Miami," said St. John. He said his father identified key players and speculated that then-Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was responsible for moving the venue to Dallas, where the Texan could control the security scene.

But the memoir's published passages about the assassination have an equivocal tone. Hunt provides only a hypothetical scenario of how events in Dallas might have unfolded, with Johnson atop a pyramid of rogue CIA plotters.

The brothers insist their father related to them a detailed plot to assassinate Kennedy. Hunt told them he was approached by the conspirators to join them but declined, they say.

[roamer65]

16. Wouldn't surprised me if "Landslide Lyndon" had a hand in it.

[BlackVelvet04]

22. The history channel had a special

that said the same thing about the original plan being Miami and that rogue CIA agents were involved. I wish I could remember more about the program and remember the name of it.

[dflprincess]

35. It might be the BBC program "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"

There are several episodes of it and The History Channel has run that a couple times.

[BlackVelvet04]

36. That might be it.

I wish we had taped it.

[razors edge]

8. His enemy

was the federal reserve, silver certificates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110

Nobody disses the reserve and lives to tell about it.

Edit: bad link

[ConsAreLiars]

25. The conflict between fascism and democracy was as brutal then as it is now in the US.

Lots of people were killed. You may believe Kennedy was a neutral force or allied with the fascists, but they didn't see it that way.

[JackRiddler]

26. Excuse me?

"Served the status quo in washington just fine" might be true, but "had no enemies there"? In that case, he'd be the first and only presidential servant of the status quo not to have enemies anyway. (Can you think of a more faithful servant of the status quo than Clinton? And what'd he get for it? Nothing but heartaches.)

Allen Dulles, the Bay of Pigs operatives, Le May, Lemnitzer, General Walker and the (many) right wing officers at the Pentagon, the Texas "Cowboys" like the oil man Hunt - they hated Kennedy's guts. They didn't pull out a slide rule and calculate how well he was serving the "status quo." They just hated that prissy Yankee com-symp playboy egghead's guts. Remember, status quo is not the static quo; in a highly dynamic modern capitalist context it is always riven with its own contradictions. If Kennedy screwed the Bay of Pigs fuckers, if he really intended to challenge the CIA, and if he really intended to get out of Vietnam (as the orders given before his death at least imply)... that might well be enough. To this faction, that might well look like treason, and the end of the world.

Don't make the mistake that just because someone's good for capitalism or the "status quo," he won't therefore have enemies. (Did I mention FDR, the undisputed savior of the capitalist system in the 1930s, except that none of those rich fuckers figured that out until much later?)

[Tom Joad]

4. it was obtained by his sons, who have a monetary interest in getting this story sold.

take it with a bag of salt.

[Junkdrawer]

5. I Googled "Howard Hunt" in the news area and came up with this:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=howard+hunt&btnG=Search


Watergate plotter may have a last tale
Two of E. Howard Hunt's sons say he knew of rogue CIA agents' plan to kill President Kennedy in 1963.

...

http://www.calendarlive.com/books/cl-na-hunt20mar20,0,7304061.story?coll=cl-books-util

[lala_rawraw]

28. read Paul Lane's

Plausible Denial which recounts court testimony by Hunt and others regarding the hit on JFK.

[bananas]

32. Do you mean Mark Lane? nt

[lala_rawraw]

37. yup... see what happens when you are tired and you type?

Yes, where Martina Lorenz talks a bout the hit team.

[NightWatcher]

6. wanna hear a funny tinfoil hat item

Al-Qaeda is arabic for "the base".

The name given to, or used to reference the organized group of rogue cia'ers that have been doing nastiness for a few decades now was "the base".

Now, I could make some kind of weird connection and suggest that there might be no such thing as Al-Qaeda, but that it is a warped sense of humor on the part of "the base" to take credit for other wrong doings that were done in the name of "those brown terrorists".

[BuyingThyme]

11. Well, there's no question that the CIA created al-Qaeda,

is there? Wasn't al-Qaeda created by the CIA to bring down the Soviets?

[NightWatcher]

19. the CIA created and sponsored the muhjahideen

OBL was given his training regarding weapons and terrorism by our guys from the CIA and the School of the Americas. AlQaeda is a front for CIA ops in shemaghs that took place to blame brown people for terror.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

17. "the network"

nt

[lala_rawraw]

29. you are thinking of

The Enterprise... the base is in reference to a loosely affiliated group of extremists for hire is my understanding... as in database, contacts, identities, kind of stuff.

[Turbineguy]

9. More...

let's make the CIA look like crooks, rogues and incompetents. Next they'll make Victoria Toensing look good enough to become AG (she's already honest enough, hahah) and after that say Valerie Plame outed herself.

It was over 40 years ago. The CIA was reigned in since then and rightfully so. Even Barry Goldwater saw to that.

[merh]

13. The only consistent with the CIA then and events of today

is Poppy Bush. Wouldn't it be rich if the rogue CIA operatives included him and that comes out as this admin comes crashing down. :tinfoilhat: Long shot, but heck ...

One can dream can't they. :)

[Turbineguy]

23. Hmmm....

that idea feels like a warm blanket on a cold night. Wonderful. Two can dream together.

[lala_rawraw]

30. operation 40

[Lint Head]

10. I'm not a conspiracy nut and tin foil is not my style but...

In the past I have known and worked for some powerful people and have heard 'off hand', 'matter of fact' conversations regarding JFK.
In a court of law this would be hearsay and not admissible but I have heard strange conversations from some of these people who are now dead. I will not name names.
I know some of you may think this is bogus and that's O.K.
In the entertainment business it was 'insider' knowledge that JFK was for freedom of ideas and wanted the public domain law expanded.
This would have a major negative impact on business and profit for authored works. I've even had a law student acquaintance tell me he was a JFK fan and that he thought all written works including music should immediately be public domain and not owned by the author. He said he was writing his thesis on this subject. I'm a JFK fan and personally think this was a warped right wing concept of Kennedy's ideas.

The conversations I've heard is that it was corporate money that was responsible because of JFK's radical ideas. That he was dangerous to the economy and that major money players basically paid for the hit job which included bought agents.
Also if the Vietnam War were brought to a halt a lot of manufacturing jobs would be lost and manufacturing profits would be crippled. You must remember that the industrial age only started around 1830 and manufacturing reached it's peak during and after WWII. By 1963 textile mills, steel mills etc were at full steam. We are now in an age of na-no technology coupled with manufacturing spread world wide. You are presently witnessing secrecy, abuses and treachery in this day and age. You should not be surprised by anything. I did not hear this from a wingnut internet site or a radical radio show. I heard these things before the internet ever existed

I apologize for the long reply.

[PhilipShore]

31. Interesting...

I was only an infant when JFK was shot; but my mother used to date Ray Corbett the president of the AFL-CIO of New York State, and she told me that Ray Corbett used to go to the White House to meet with JFK often.

She even had dinner with Ray Corbett and Jimmy Hoffa, and Hoffa got all upset at Bobbie Kennedy and said that, "Bobbie never worked a day in his life, and grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth."

My grandmothers sister -- also worked as a decorator for the Kennedy White House.

Around then the corporate elite that were anti-union would of been deeply afraid of the power, that Union leaders -- such as Ray Corbett had because of the huge amounts of money he had control over as president of the New York State Union.

I, a few years ago filed a civil lawsuit; concerning my grandfathers estate that was looted by Real Estate lawyers, and others in Miami Florida, between 1967 and 1976, the period of time of the litigation over his estate. Yes, 1967 to 1976.

And believe it or not -- one of the persons involved in the swindling according to a PI I hired said that they (the Real Estate swindler) hired the law firm that is the firm for the National Republican campaign GOP,to answer any questions by the PI, and that person that hired the Republican law firm looks like a twin of Jack Ruby, and is the same age as all the people suspected in the conspiracy theory websites -- and had the profile of frequenting high profile night clubs at that time, as well.

If any of your friends -- or anyone hear sees name Ed Morales or the name Morales, please let me know. He was a Cuban living in Puerto Rico in the early 60s, and co-owned a Mortgage Insurance Company with one of the swindlers involved in looting my grandfather's estate. And possibly would of been around Arizona in 1963 or 1964.

[PhilipShore]

34. Did you ever hear any rumors about Ruby and Mike Shore?

In the entertainment business it was 'insider' knowledge that JFK was for freedom of ideas and wanted the public domain law expanded.

I was wondering if you had heard any "discussions" about Ruby and Mike Shore, or anyone with the last name Shore?

If you did, do you know if Mike Shore or any Shore -- ever had any discussions or contacts with people in Providence RI area or the Miami Beach area?

You don't have to give names, just answer yes or no.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk9/hscv9f.htm


The Teamsters also used Weiner's talents by involving him and his many corporate entities in the bonding of individual union chapters across the nation. (2229) Weiner's abilities are also evident in the bonding of Teamsters-financed projects such as hotels, motels, and other businesses. (2230) These activities have linked Weiner with projects in many cities, including Miami and Las Vegas. The financing and bonding of the Dallas Cabana was apparently handled by one of Weiner's bonding associates in Chicago, Sol Schwartz. (2231) There is no indication that Weiner has had any direct business links to Dallas.

# Mike Shore, a Californian involved in the entertainment field (2267) also attended school with Weiner and Earl Ruby,(2268) and he and Weiner had been involved in a number of business transactions. (2269) Jack Ruby also called Shore numerous times in 1963 to seek help with his labor problems, (2270) including calls in the days before and after the October 26 call to Weiner. Weiner stated that Shore never mentioned to him the calls from Ruby.(2271) Shore may have prompted Ruby's call to Weiner, however, by mentioning the latter's name in one of' his 1963 telephone conversations with Ruby. "Ruby asked if he should call Weiner about the trouble he was havingwith AGVA but Shore replied, 'What can he do ?.' Shore did not know if Ruby did call Weiner."(2272) (Earl Ruby worked with Shore following the Oswald shooting to raise defense funds and to secure an attorney.)(2273)

The JFK Assassination -- Witness Marita Lorenz

Attorney Mark Lane questions witness Marita Lorenz in the trial, Hunt v. Liberty Lobby. Excerpted from the book Plausible Denial by Mark Lane.

I think it was Jack Ruby that shot JFK with another twin

Lane: While you were at that motel, did you meet anyone other than those who were in the party traveling with you from Miami to Dallas?

Lorenz: Yes.

Lane: Who did your meet?

Lorenz: E. Howard Hunt.

Lane: Was there anyone else who you saw or met other than Mr. Hunt?

Lorenz: Excuse me?

Lane: Other than those?

Lorenz: Jack Ruby

http://www.amazon.com/Contract-America-Murder-President-Kennedy/dp/082173833X

Scheim, however, does come up with one little obscure fact, previously unknown....prior to the assassination Jack Ruby made some phone calls to Mike Shore, an executive at Sinatra's Reprise records; and after Ruby shot Oswald, Shore offered assistance in finding Ruby an attorney.

JFK Assassination Records - FBI Case Files arranged by Surnames

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/fbi-files.html


Shaw, Clay
Shimon, Joseph
Shore, Mike

[WinkyDink]

12. So he pulled his punch at the last second, huh?

[goforit]

14. Intrigue....but a little late.

[BuyingThyme]

15. There's no such thing as being invited to murder the president and

turning it down.

You're either rogue, or you're not.

You either tell people what you know, or you don't.

You're either in, or you're out.

He did not decline.

Think about it.

Hunt was in.

[roamer65]

18. You're right, Hunt was in or he would have been dead after such contact.

[BuyingThyme]

20. Or he would have shared what he knew with legitimate CIA/FBI ops.

No-brainer.

[roamer65]

21. You know who probably knows quite a bit about Hunt?

William F Buckley, Jr. They were in the CIA together in Mexico City and remained close friends until Hunt's death. Buckley even funded Hunt's legal defense during Watergate. I wonder what Bill Buckley knows...

[BuyingThyme]

24. kcik

[lala_rawraw]

27. at that time, there could have only been one group

of rogue agents and they ran "rogue" like no other... they would later emerge in the 70s as the Enterprise. i was making arrangements to speak with Hunt when he dropped dead, damn it. i am working on a book, unrelated to JFK or anything relating to him and his death, but Hunt overlapped.

[mzmolly]

33. I've seen a documentary that showed confessions of former military

men claiming that the CIA killed JFK and they had the gall to use the example of their "success" in covert training seminars. Don't recall the name of it unfortunately. Perhaps it was "The Men Who Killed Kennedy?"