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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:13 AM
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John Pilger: No tears, no remorse for the fallen of Iraq
We don't hear much of John Pilger's work here in the US. It is too truthful and painful to talk about much here in our country. It might force us to remember what we did in Iraq, our invasion and occupation and the consequences.

I found this article of his from last October.

No tears, no remorse for the fallen of Iraq

He berates the British as well as our country.

On Remembrance Day 2007, the great and the good bowed their heads at the Cenotaph. Generals, politicians, newsreaders, football managers and stock-market traders wore their poppies. Hypocrisy was a presence. No one mentioned Iraq. No one uttered the slightest remorse for the fallen of that country. No one read the forbidden list. The forbidden list documents, without favour, the part the British state and its court have played in the destruction of Iraq. Here it is:

Looting:

"Following the invasion, Paul Bremer, a neocon fanatic, was given absolute civil authority in Baghdad and in a series of decrees turned the entire future Iraqi economy over to US corporations. As this was lawless, the corporate plunderers were given immunity from all forms of prosecution. The Blair government was fully complicit and even objected when it looked as if UK companies might be excluded from the most profitable looting. British officials were awarded functionary colonial posts. A petroleum “law” will allow, in effect, foreign oil companies to approve their own contracts over Iraq’s vast energy resources. This will complete the greatest theft since Hitler stripped his European conquests.


That's only a part.

Destroying a nation's health.

"Most of southern Iraq remains polluted with the toxic debris of British and American explosives, including uranium- 238 shells. Iraqi doctors pleaded in vain for help, citing the levels of leukaemia among children as the highest seen since Hiroshima. Professor Karol Sikora, chief of the World Health Organisation’s cancer programme, wrote in the BMJ: “Requested radiotherapy equipment, chemo-therapy drugs and analgesics are consistently blocked by United States and British advisers (to the Sanctions Committee).” In 1999, Kim Howells, then trade minister, effectively banned the export to Iraq of vaccines that would protect mostly children from diphtheria, tetanus and yellow fever, which, he said, “are capable of being used in weapons of mass destruction”.

Propaganda:

"On 14 October 2001, the London Observer’s front page said: “US hawks accuse Iraq over anthrax”. This was entirely false. Supplied by US intelligence, it was part of the Observer’s staunchly pro-war coverage, which included claiming a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda, for which there was no credible evidence and which betrayed the paper’s honourable past. One report over two pages was headlined: “The Iraqi connection”. It, too, came from “intelligence sources” and was rubbish. The reporter, David Rose, concluded his barren inquiry with a heartfelt plea for an invasion. “There are occasions in history,” he wrote, “when the use of force is both right and sensible.” Rose has since written his mea culpa, including in these pages, confessing how he was used. Other journalists have still to admit how they were manipulated by their own credulous relationship with established power.


Yes, it was rubbish, it was propaganda.

Tragically, there is more. It's a long article, painful to read.

In the 1960s and 1970s, British governments secretly expelled the population of Diego Garcia, an island in the Indian Ocean whose people have British nationality. Women and children were loaded on to vessels resembling slave ships and dumped in the slums of Mauritius, after their homeland was given to the Americans for a military base. Three times, the High Court has found this atrocity illegal, calling it a defiance of the Magna Carta and the Blair government’s refusal to allow the people to go home “outrageous” and “repugnant”. The government continues to use endless recourse to appeal, at the taxpayers’ expense, to prevent upsetting Bush. The cruelty of this matches the fact that not only has the US repeatedly bombed Iraq from Diego Garcia, but at “Camp Justice”, on the island, “al-Qaeda suspects” are “rendered” and “tortured”, according to the Washington Post. Now the US Air Force is rushing to upgrade hangar facilities on the island so that stealth bombers can carry 14-tonne “bunker busting” bombs in an attack on Iran. Orchestrated propaganda in the media is critical to the success of this act of international piracy.


In 2000 John Pilger wrote another heartbreaking column called Squeezed to Death

It was a look at Iraq then.

Wherever you go in Iraq's southern city of Basra, there is dust. It gets in your eyes and nose and throat. It swirls in school playgrounds and consumes children kicking a plastic ball. "It carries death," said Dr Jawad Al-Ali, a cancer specialist and member of Britain's Royal College of Physicians. "Our own studies indicate that more than 40 per cent of the population in this area will get cancer: in five years' time to begin with, then long afterwards. Most of my own family now have cancer, and we have no history of the disease. It has spread to the medical staff of this hospital. We don't know the precise source of the contamination, because we are not allowed to get the equipment to conduct a proper scientific survey, or even to test the excess level of radiation in our bodies. We suspect depleted uranium, which was used by the Americans and British in the Gulf War right across the southern battlefields."


The US Military denies problems with depleted uranium.

Baghdad is an urban version of Rachel Carson's Silent Spring. The birds have gone as avenues of palms have died, and this was the land of dates. The splashes of colour, on fruit stalls, are surreal. A bunch of Dole bananas and a bag of apples from Beirut cost a teacher's salary for a month; only foreigners and the rich eat fruit. A currency that once was worth two dollars to the dinar is now worthless. The rich, the black marketeers, the regime's cronies and favourites, are not visible, except for an occasional tinted-glass late-model Mercedes navigating its way through the rustbuckets. Having been ordered to keep their heads down, they keep to their network of clubs and restaurants and well-stocked clinics, which make nonsense of the propaganda that the sanctions are hurting them, not ordinary Iraqis.


Sadly, too many voices which will still be close to the White House spoke out in favor of giving Bush his unilateral war.

From In These Times:

Strangers to the truth

On the other side of the aisle are the shining lights of the Democratic Party, James Carville, Stanley Greenberg and Bob Shrum (the consultant who ran Kerry’s campaign and shied away from confronting the Swift Boat Veterans). These three men founded the Democracy Corps, a nonprofit “dedicated to making the government of the United States more responsive to the American people.” Recall that on Oct. 3, 2002, prior to the Iraq war resolution votes, Democracy Corps advised Capitol Hill Democrats: “This decision will take place in a setting where voters, by 10 points, prefer to vote for a member who supports a resolution to authorize force (50 to 40 percent).” In other words, Carville and friends advised Democrats to cater to public opinion and let Bush have his war.


This invasion, as well as the years of bombing of Iraq, were sanctioned by our former Democratic president.

Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq but chastised the administration over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.

...."I want it to have been worth it, even though I didn't agree with the timing of the attack," Clinton said"


Our new Secretary of State said "So for every American soldier who has made the ultimate sacrifice for this mission, we should imagine carved in stone: 'They gave their life for the greatest gift one can give to a fellow human being, the gift of freedom."

Pilger is right, there are no tears for Iraq. And too many who opposed it are being pushed out of the national Democratic party spotlight.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:17 AM
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1. John Pilger is a treasure. Amy has him on occasionally but other than that
we hear nothing about his very important work. :thumbsup:
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:04 AM
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4. John Pilger IS a treasure
I feel that way so much that I started a local Pilger series showing his documentaries once a week. So...we don't hear nothing, just... practically, almost, nearly, next to nothing....

this is going to be a long slow painful slog to get to a place we can feel good about, this thing we think or thought we had called democracy.

Cheers!
Agony
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:46 AM
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5. Better not mention what he thinks of Barack Obama, then
We'll just say he hates him. One of the phrases he used was quite offensive.
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:56 AM
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7. are you talking about this?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:11 AM
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9. And this line is one of the main reasons I don't like Pilger's writing
"That is the subtext of Barack Obama’s “oratory”. He says he wants to build up US military power; and he threatens to ignite a new war in Pakistan, killing yet more brown-skinned people."

He's dishonest as hell, and simplistic. He's tied to an ironclad ideology that allows no thought.
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:20 AM
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10. Couldn't disagree more...using that clippettte in a vacuum is dishonest as hell
ideology that allows no thought?

"It is time the wishful-thinkers grew up politically and debated the world of great power as it is, not as they hope it will be. Like all serious presidential candidates, past and present, Obama is a hawk and an expansionist. He comes from an unbroken Democratic tradition, as the war-making of presidents Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton demonstrates. Obama’s difference may be that he feels an even greater need to show how tough he is. However much the colour of his skin draws out both racists and supporters, it is otherwise irrelevant to the great power game. The "truly exciting and historic moment in US history" will only occur when the game itself is challenged."
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 10:36 AM
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39. And what's wrong with that statement?
It has become obvious to me that no one will be allowed past the first couple of primaries without promising, either publicly or secretly, to continue babying the military-industrial complex and "projecting U.S. power."

I always knew that Obama was no different. I voted for him only because he wasn't McCain.

The facts aren't pretty, and they're too painful for most Americans to admit.

See how soon the troops are withdrawn from Iraq. See if the war is expanded in Afghanistan. See if Pakistan doesn't get involved.

Pilger has been right more than he's been wrong, and just because he is unenthusiastic about Democrats doesn't invalidate what he's saying.

There's more to life than supporting the Democratic Party and its candidates unthinkingly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:43 PM
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18. Last night I learned that 60% of babies born in Pakistan are stunted
from malnutrition. Pakistanis are getting shorter from want.

Pilger is undeniably angry. There is much to be angry about.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:45 AM
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11. That's the latest from Pilger on him
He called Obama an 'Uncle Tom' earlier in the year. After that, he called him a 'hawk' and "the prince of bait-and-switch", and said he is as vacuous as he thought Robert Kennedy was, and that they both offered false hope in their campaigns.
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:57 AM
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12. The danse macabre of US-style democracy
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:11 PM
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16. and here is a column calling him on it. calling Pilger a racist or at least almost
The racist flipside of anti-imperialism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/obama-white-house-barackobama

But the attitude of far lefties such as John Pilger is no less pernicious because it highlights a patronising attitude towards ethnic minorities. Pilger expects all black and brown people to be revolutionary brothers and sisters, and if they veer away from that stereotype, it can only be because they are pawns of a wider conspiracy. For them, it must be impossible to imagine that ethnic minorities might become successful on their own talents or aspire to be powerful without an obsession with racial solidarity. If anything, it highlights their own need to accentuate racial differences and say the actions of anyone from an ethnic minority should be "true" to their race rather than themselves.

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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:04 AM
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26. Are these claims accurate?
Is there any truth to Pilger's claim about Obama being a "hawk"? How about the "bait and switch" claim?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:09 AM
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28. I would say 'no'
and I think Pilger calling him an 'Uncle Tom' was offensive. I don't regard Pilger as a 'treasure'. A necessary irritant, perhaps.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 09:11 AM
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30. Ok. Would you care to discuss examples?
How about Obama's decision regarding the Bush tax cuts?

How about Obama's decision regarding the Iraq war?

How about Obama's decision to further destroy Afghanistan?

Would these things not indicate that he is a hawk? Do this not provide examples of "bait and switch"?

I would agree that the "Uncle Tom" is totally inappropriate. How about the other claims?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:22 AM
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31. Pilger called Obama 'a prince of bait and switch' back in July
so he seemed to have it in for Obama before he was even elected. But, for what you're criticising him for now:

Axelrod has said they might not go for repealing Bush's high-end tax cuts in 2010. I think they should; it's not a definite decision yet, so I don't think it's been 'switched'. And the economy has tanked since Obama's original tax plans were announced, so reconsidering it may be reasonable.

What decision regarding the Iraq war are you talking about? He said we shouldn't have gone in; once there, he has said we need to get out, but not at once. Given the mess that was made, there is a case for this - things could have got even worse in the ethnic cleansing than they did if there had been no major army there at all. It doesn't make him a hawk - that would be those who wanted to invade Iran too.

Afghanistan - again, it's a mess there. It would be with or without American and other foreign forces there; Obama has said we need to stop the random bombing of civilians. Again, I don't think he's a hawk about it.



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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:22 AM
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33. Ah, so he was prescient?
Obama campaigned specifically on ending the Bush tax cuts, because as Nobel prize winning Paul Krugman has made clear, they are hurting the US economy. Now that he has appointed the architects of this disaster to try to fix their mess, he has done a 180 on the tax cuts. Want to wager that he lets them expire in 2010 rather than ending them now?

He also campaigned on ending combat operations in Iraq. That obviously is not going to happen any time soon as he has made quite clear. Leaving Gates at DOD again makes that clear, as does his rhetoric.
I dont for a minute buy this BS about the violence getting worse if we were to leave. Remember, WE are responsible for more than 1,000,000 deaths in Iraq since 2003. We are the ones who destroyed the country and its 5000 year old civilization. The Iraqi people are very clear about their opinion of the occupation, and the associated violence. We can either believe them, or the Pentagon.
His being against invading Iran does not make him a dove. It makes him a realist, who understands that we already have our hands full killing people elsewhere. Further, Iran might actually be able to fight back, so we wont attack them.

Lastly, the random bombing of civilians in Afghanistan is mostly US forces killing people. Again, we invaded this country, supposedly to capture OBL- which I might remind you the Taliban offered him to us if we would present ANY evidence that he was behind 9/11. That evidence never came (still hasnt according to the FBI website) and we attacked, installing a Unocal executive as President.

There is no reason given for the attack on either Afghanistan of Iraq that cant be disproved by anyone with access to our own governments websites. Obama is a smart man and is well aware of all of this.

I guess my point is that there has been evidence offered to back your assertions: our government has said so- thats all, nothing more. I dont believe a word of it because the facts say otherwise.

So like it or not, Pilger has been correct, because he is not emotionally invested in a particular candidate or political party, but rather in the truth.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:30 PM
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17. Pilger is great on Latin America. I haven't read what he says about Obama.
Pilger seems to hate all mainstream politicians anyway.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:47 PM
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19. Correct. He doesn't like politicians at all. He is totally concerned with issues
that are too painful to think about and discuss. I have not read his thoughts about Obama, but his columns at his website deserve reading.

Right now I am not especially fond of any politicians either. :shrug:
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:06 AM
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27. Right there with you MadFl.
What Pilger writes may not be popular here @ DU, but it does have the merit of being true.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:29 AM
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2. The presumptive SoS's position on this has been idiotic from Day 1
but as you say, she has a lot of company.

This invasion and occupation founded on lies is nothing less than a war crime and a crime against humanity. As much hatred as I feel toward those who engineered this, I reserve a residual hatred toward the cheerleaders, the enablers and the chicken little be-on-the-safe-side faction of cowards and opportunists who helped pave the way for this obscenity.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:33 AM
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3. Yes, the enablers...they are so many.
But that is a requisite for being on the inside looking out, I fear.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:52 AM
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6. Pilger is right but it is also true that most Americans
have no idea about the level of slaughter and dislocation meted out to Iraqis by the illegal invasion and occupation.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:05 AM
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8. Which is why we need a real media here in the US
And not this fluff crap from cnn/faux/msnbc and the big three networks.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:22 PM
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24. Nor do many of them care...as long as someone tells them they are safe.
If someone says our leadership is keeping us safe...most never question. They prefer not knowing, and just feeling comfortable in their cozy safe feeling.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:23 AM
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13. I'll believe Amis care when THIS SHIT is stopped in its tracks:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4598363

Jim Hightower: Army Recruiters Open War 'Experience' Arcade to Attract Youngsters

via AlterNet:

Army Recruiters Open War 'Experience' Arcade to Attract Youngsters

Posted by Jim Hightower, JimHightower.com at 4:31 PM on December 5, 2008.

With more than 14,000 square feet of prime mall space, the experience center is bigger than three basketball courts and is filled with lots of dazzle.



From football to beach volleyball, competitive games can get your juices going.

But the ultimate game, the one that'll give you the greatest rush, is ... what? Why, it's war, of course. Yeah, man, you literally get to kill the other team! How great is that?

Such thinking (if it can be called thinking) is behind the latest leap in marketing by the U.S. Army. In its constant effort to lure young people into the killing business, the office of military recruitment has come up with a whiz bang showcase to appeal to a generation that's been raised on computer games and that hangs out at the mall a lot. It's called the "Army Experience Center," and the first one has opened right across from the Dave & Busters food and fun outlet in a mall in northeast Philadelphia.

With more than 14,000 square feet of prime mall space, the experience center is bigger than three basketball courts and is filled with lots of dazzle. There are nearly 80 video gaming stations, all sorts of interactive exhibits, a replica command-and-control center, and -- best of all -- a bunch of high-tech simulators that let the kids get a feel for the military action of, say, a Black Hawk helicopter.

The simulators are way cool. For example, youngsters can sit in a model chopper with a simulator that makes it seem as though they're ripping right over a mountain village, and – get this – they get the thrill of shooting at enemies in the village! Yes, the virtural thrill of the kill coming to a mall near you. And, indeed, the army says it hopes to replicate the experience all across the country. .......(more)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 10:39 AM
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40. There used to be a TV ad from the Army that just irritated the hell out of me
It showed soldiers working on high-tech equipment, running obstacle courses, and playing golf and cavorting with jet skis.

I so wanted someone with video making skills to take the soundtrack of that ad and run it with pictures from Iraq.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:44 AM
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14. Kick
:kick:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:23 AM
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15. I have Never seen Pilger on TV
even BBC and CNNI. I just love him and have learned so much from him over the years. Everyone must view one of his videos online called The War on Democracy. It will open your eyes and break your heart.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148


Thank you mf! K&R!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:18 PM
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20. I see that film won a big award in London...
"'The War on Democracy', directed by John Pilger & Chris Martin, won Best Documentary at the prestigious One World Media Awards in London on 12 June 2008. It beat a field that included the documentary Oscar winner, 'Taxi to the Dark Side'.

The citation read: "There are six criteria the judges are asked to use to select the winner of this award: the film's impact on public opinion, its appeal to a wide audience, its inclusion of voices from the developing world, its high journalistic or production standards, its success in conveying the impact of the actions of the world's rich on the lives of the poor and the extent to which it draws attention to possible solutions. One film met every one of these. It was the winner of the award: John Pilger's 'The War on Democracy'."

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=1
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:21 PM
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21. and yet
The majority of Americans have never heard him or seen his work. I know that is by design but it sure is tragic.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:22 PM
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22. We have to go "underground" to follow him at all.
I didn't know about that award. Great that he got that recognition. It must be hard to keep plugging away when they try to bury you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:39 AM
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25. Agreed about the award. He deserves it.
I don't like what he said about Obama, but he doesn't like anyone in politics at all.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:41 AM
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29. His articles used to be posted on DU...which is where I first read him...
Edited on Sun Dec-07-08 08:42 AM by KoKo01
but in the past couple of years I've not seen the kind of mention of him that there used to be, here. I suspect that like with the rest of America, DU moved on from the "Wars." Of course I might have missed an article or two that sunk like a stone. That the articles sunk meant folks don't care to recommmend.

Also during the election most didn't want to hear any criticism of their candidates. So, that could be part of it, too.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:23 PM
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35. You are right.
We have allowed the "wars" of Iraq to become a thing of the past. We can't. They have affected our pocketbooks, souls, and consciences way too much to forget.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:56 PM
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23. From the 2000 article...about the 1999 continued bombings
If you haven't read all of this 2000 article called Squeezed to Death...you should.

In spite of our continued bombing all those years, our so-called president was able to convince Congress and the people of America that this country was an immediate threat to us. They had the unwavering help of the media.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9/print

"Six other children died not far away on January 25, last year. An American missile hit Al Jumohria, a street in a poor residential area. Sixty-three people were injured, a number of them badly burned. "Collateral damage," said the Department of Defence in Washington. Britain and the United States are still bombing Iraq almost every day: it is the longest Anglo-American bombing campaign since the second world war, yet, with honourable exceptions, very little appears about it in the British media. Conducted under the cover of "no fly zones", which have no basis in international law, the aircraft, according to Tony Blair, are "performing vital humanitarian tasks". The ministry of defence in London has a line about "taking robust action to protect pilots" from Iraqi attacks - yet an internal UN Security Sector report says that, in one five-month period, 41 per cent of the victims were civilians in civilian targets: villages, fishing jetties, farmland and vast, treeless valleys where sheep graze. A shepherd, his father, his four children and his sheep were killed by a British or American aircraft, which made two passes at them. I stood in the cemetery where the children are buried and their mother shouted, "I want to speak to the pilot who did this."

This is a war against the children of Iraq on two fronts: bombing, which in the last year cost the British taxpayer £60 million. And the most ruthless embargo in modern history. According to Unicef, the United Nations Children's Fund, the death rate of children under five is more than 4,000 a month - that is 4,000 more than would have died before sanctions. That is half a million children dead in eight years. If this statistic is difficult to grasp, consider, on the day you read this, up to 200 Iraqi children may die needlessly. "Even if not all the suffering in Iraq can be imputed to external factors," says Unicef, "the Iraqi people would not be undergoing such deprivation in the absence of the prolonged measures imposed by the Security Council and the effects of war."


And the very ones who did the convincing are being put back in powerful places. Those who spoke out are being given the shuffle out of town.



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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:54 AM
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32. Good read...the entire thread
Thanks
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 07:15 PM
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34. Yes...
stayed pretty civil over all.

:hi:
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:44 PM
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36. For anyone who wants to see John Pilger documentaries
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 06:48 PM by Agony
The US distributor is Bullfrog Films "a leading source of educational DVDs & videos, with a collection of over 700 titles" http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/index.html

John Pilger has made 58 documentaries.
Links below to a couple of them. Other than on Bullfrog they are hard to find. If you are good online you can find quite few more but that would be stealing?

Paying the Price
Killing the Children of Iraq
John Pilger exposes the devastating effect that UN sanctions had on the children of Iraq during the 1990s.
http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/pay.html

Breaking the Silence: Truth and Lies in the War on Terror
A Special Report by John Pilger
http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/break.html

that will get you started.

Please consider watching some of his documentaries before dismissing him.

Cheerio!
Agony

edit:OH! sorry I forgot... you really should watch his latest called "War on Democracy" and google "Duane Claridge CIA" while you are at it.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:58 PM
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37. ttt
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 10:26 AM
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38. Pilger's work is hard to find in the U.S., but you can order his films on DVD
from Amazon UK. He's been a truth teller for a long time.
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