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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:32 PM
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Michelle Obama blocked U. of Chicago hospital plan to test New Vaccine on Chicago Black Girls!
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 05:34 PM by KoKo01
Michelle Obama blocked University of Chicago hospital plan to test new vaccine on Chicago area black high school girls.
By
Lynn Sweet
on June 18, 2008 1:38 AM | Permalink | Comments (25)

WASHINGTON---Michelle Obama, on leave from her job as a vice president of community affairs at the University of Chicago Medical Center, is profiled in the Wednesday New York Times with some stunning details about a hospital proposal to use Chicago area girls as research subjects. That plus the flash that Obama is trying to soften up her image, with a start an appearence Wednesday as a guest host on "The View." (see my previous blog post for details on this.)

The New York Times report, by Michael Powell and Jodi Kantor LINK says Michelle Obama "altered the hospital's research agenda. When the human papillomavirus vaccine, which can prevent cervical cancer, became available, researchers proposed approaching local school principals about enlisting black teenage girls as research subjects.

"Obama stopped that. The prospect of white doctors performing a trial with black teenage girls summoned the specter of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment of the mid-20th century, when white doctors let hundreds of black men go untreated to study the disease."She'll talk about the elephant in the room," said Susan Sher, her boss at the hospital, where Obama is on leave from her more-than-$300,000-a-year job."

more of the article at.......
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/michelle_obama_blocked_univers.html
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:34 PM
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1. This is from June FWIW. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:34 PM
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2. I agree about the Tuskegee image, but you have to test vaccines on a wide range of populations.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 05:36 PM by MookieWilson
I'd like to know more about this.

And, on Michelle's behalf, I HATE that she has to "soften" her image. Sexist tripe.

Be who you are, Michelle!

ER: I had to "soften" my image too. Sad what little progress we've made...take care, dear.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:53 PM
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6. Michelle did a very good thing....she deserves praise for it, even if this seems "old news." n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:36 PM
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3. That's very interesting.
I can understand why the hospital would propose such a thing--after all, the area around Hyde Park is full of at-risk young girls, and to someone focusing entirely on the vaccine it would make sense to make use of them--but the job of the community affairs department is to avoid public-relations disasters, and images of white doctors injecting black teenage girls as part of an STD study would be nothing short of disastrous. Michelle earned her paycheck there.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:46 PM
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4. One of the commentators gives the pro-reality point of view.
By Michael in Stone Mountain, GA on June 19, 2008 8:25 AM
"Some of you people need to get a grip. I'm a black male, I'm 52, life-long Democrat and pro-Obama. Let's have some perspective here. I've worked for the Centers for Disease Control 20 years ago and recently an independant research firm. I know that it is ROUTINE to test across a broad demographic.

"Does it occur to you that even black people get cervical cancer?? I have zero medical training but I have COMMON SENSE!!!! Do you really think it's wise to release a vaccine that hasn't been tested AT ALL on blacks and THEN administer it to blacks after the fact? That's insane."

For vaccines or medications to be tested, they have to be tested. That means using them and observing their effects against a control group in as large of a population sample as possible. This includes Black people. Those of you who know anything about this vaccine know that it MUST be administered before the girl becomes sexually active. Progress against cervical cancer is too important to jeopardize on bullshit, made-up claims of racism. And who the hell is she to force a scientific test to change its conditions and potentially invalidate its results? I really hope this article is not true. I really hope we don't go from one anti-science administration to another one.


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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:52 PM
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5. honestly, there is not enough information in that article
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 05:59 PM by noiretblu
to form any opinion. there is no explanation at all from obama as to why she made the decision she did, so the comment you cited assumes a lot that isn't stated, and certainly not by obama. i would assume that michelle obama knows the importance of testing medications and vaccines, since she worked as vice president of community affairs at the University of Chicago Medical Center.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:06 PM
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13. Maybe it is true and maybe she does know.
Or maybe the whole article is made up. Anyway, knowing the right thing to do is no guarantee that a person will do the right thing.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:11 PM
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16. there is NOTHING in that article that fully explains her decision
her supervisor is quoted regarding her opinion, and people like yourself as making a lot of assumptions.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:01 PM
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10. Perhaps they should ask for adult volunteers before suggesting we
test poor black children?

Bravo to Michelle Obama! I am personally more endeared that I was previously.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:04 PM
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12. Did you read what I wrote?
It is a vaccine for children. It cannot work on adults. Why don't you leave science to the scientists. According to Mrs. O, we should just let them get cancer. Excluding them from the benefits of a new vaccine (because it wasn't tested for them) is racist.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:09 PM
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14. your conclusions are not supported by the article
there is nothing in that article that explains why obama vetoed the proposal. the only direct quote is from her supervisor. i can't believe a woman as smart as obama simply reacted without a good reason. it seems some people are eager to believe that she "wants them to get cancer." what a stupid assertion.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:10 PM
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15. It's as stupid an assertion...
as the assertion that the scientists are racist.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:11 PM
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17. an assertion i never made, and per the article
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 06:13 PM by noiretblu
neither did obama. that's the point i am making. we have an unsupported assertion without any evidence to back it up. before i can reach any conclusion, i'd like to understand why she made the decision she did.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:15 PM
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19. The article's use of the comparison of the Tuskegee experiments...
is a clear implication of racism, and picked up by a number of knee-jerkers in this thread.

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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:17 PM
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20. and that quote was from her supervisor
honestly, i don't see how anyone can conclude anything from the article. there just isn't enough information.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:24 PM
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22. Exactly, we need more information.
The article chose to take the tabloid approach and publish the alarming comments, without actually covering the story.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:45 PM
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30. For More information check out post #23 on this thread. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:47 PM
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32. Koko, I said we need more information.
Not a load of woo woo scary penguin bullshit.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:58 PM
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36. You should familiarize yourself with a lead researcher who spent 20 years developing the vaccine
before lecturing me as to who the vaccine is for.

She expressed concerns about the use in children:

LEBANON, N.H. — A lead researcher who spent 20 years developing the vaccine for humanpapilloma virus says the HPV vaccine is not for younger girls, and that it is "silly" for states to be mandating it for them.

Not only that, she says it's not been tested for effectiveness in younger girls, and administering the vaccine to girls as young as 9 may not even protect them at all. And, in the worst-case scenario, instead of serving to reduce the numbers of cervical cancers within 25 years, such a vaccination crusade actually could cause the numbers to go up.

"Giving it to 11-year-olds is a great big public health experiment," said Diane M. Harper, who is a scientist, physician, professor and the director of the Gynecologic Cancer Prevention Research Group at the Norris Cotton Cancer Center at Dartmouth Medical School in New Hampshire.

"It is silly to mandate vaccination of 11- to 12-year-old girls There also is not enough evidence gathered on side effects to know that safety is not an issue."


Most importantly:

All of her trials have been with subjects ages 15 to 25. In her own practice, Harper believes the ideal way of administering the new vaccine is to offer it to women ages 18 and up. At the time of their first inoculation, they should be tested for the presence of HPV in their system.

http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2007/03/14/online_features/hpv_vaccine/hpv01.txt

Again, I am thankful our next First Lady is a measured, thoughtful woman.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:21 PM
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21. Why not round up a bunch of white girls to run the test on?
Fuck that shit. Michelle did the RIGHT thing, here. Black people have been used as test subjects too fucking long. If they weren't testing other groups as well, why single out black girls? There's nothing "anti-science" about that. There's nothing wrong with challenging UNETHICAL scientific practices. Just because someone calls themselves a scientist doesn't mean they have the most honest intentions. A lot of fucked up "scientist" have done terrible things to people of color the world over. See Tuskegee for instance.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:42 PM
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26. WTF are you talking about?
During human trials, minorities should be included, together with white subjects.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:45 PM
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29. This thing didn't say anything about "white subjects"
So WTF are YOU talking about??
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:53 PM
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7. this type of reporting is troublesome
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 05:57 PM by noiretblu
the only person quoted in the article is obama's supervisor. she makes the "Tuskegee" claim. There is nothing in this article that *explains* why obama made the decision she did. this is nothing more than gossip.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:25 PM
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23. Vaccine Safety Group Releases GARDASIL Reaction Report
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 06:43 PM by KoKo01
Vaccine Safety Group Releases GARDASIL Reaction Report
22 Feb 2007

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) today released a new analysis of the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (Merck's GARDASIL) during the last six months of 2006. Out of the 385 individual GARDASIL adverse event reports made to VAERS, two-thirds required additional medical care and about one-third of all reports were for children 16-years-old and under, with nearly 25 percent of those children having received simultaneously one or more of the 18 vaccines that Merck did not study in combination with GARDASIL. NVIC is calling on the FDA and CDC to warn parents and doctors that GARDASIL should not be combined with other vaccines and that young girls should be monitored for at least 24 hours for syncopal (collapse/fainting) episodes that can be accompanied by seizure activity, as well as symptoms of tingling, numbness and loss of sensation in the fingers and limbs, all of which should be reported to VAERS immediately.

"Because Merck only studied GARDASIL in fewer than 1200 girls under age 16 in pre-licensure trials, it is critical that doctors and parents be made aware of the nature of the initial adverse event reports coming into VAERS and that they report serious health problems after vaccination when they occur," said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher. "There are twice as many children collapsing and four times as many children experiencing tingling, numbness and loss of sensation after getting a GARDASIL vaccination compared to those getting a Tdap (tetanus-diphtheria-acellular pertussis) vaccination. There have been reports of facial paralysis and Guillain-Barre Syndrome. And doctors who give GARDASIL in combination with other vaccines are basically conducting an experiment on their young patients because Merck has not published any safety data for simultaneous vaccination with any vaccine except hepatitis B vaccine."

According to NVIC's report, a majority of GARDASIL adverse event reports to VAERS involved those who suffered fever, nausea, headache or pain; 14 percent were for syncopal episodes with or without neurological signs; and 8 percent experienced tingling, numbness and loss of sensation, facial paralysis or Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Although adverse event reports to VAERS do not prove causation, they can provide an early warning sign that a new vaccine may be causing health problems that could be important. For example, reports to VAERS of bowel blockage (intussusception) in babies following receipt of Merck's Rota Teq (rotavirus) vaccine prompted the FDA to issue a public warning to doctors and consumers on Feb. 13.


"About 4 reports per day were filed with VAERS in December 2006 for the HPV vaccine," said NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. "Some of these girls are being injured when they collapse after getting the vaccine and others are complaining of neurological symptoms that should not be ignored. Doctors and nurses should take note of the patient safety issues related to giving this vaccine. Giving GARDASIL simultaneously with any of the 18 vaccines Merck did not study in combination is not an evidence-based guideline and should involve informed consent and a signed patient release. To avoid unnecessary injuries, teenage girls should be vaccinated laying down, not be left unattended and probably should not walk or drive themselves home from the doctor's office after they get vaccinated."

NVIC also found that there were several VAERS reports of HPV infection, genital warts and cervical lesions after GARDASIL vaccination. It is unknown if the girls were infected with HPV before being vaccinated or if GARDASIL failed to protect them. One case of HPV infection occurred in a 22-year-old girl who had participated in a Merck GARDASIL trial in 2003 when she had shown "strong conversion to all 4 vaccine types" but "tested positive for high risk HPV" in 2006, according to the VAERS report.

In a May 18, 2006 Background Document for the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRPBAC), the FDA staff stated that Merck clinical trial data indicated there may be "the potential for GARDASIL to enhance cervical disease in subjects who had evidence of persistent infection with vaccine-relevant HPV types prior to vaccination." Girls and women now being vaccinated with GARDASIL are not routinely being tested for active HPV infection before vaccination.

The FDA staff also questioned whether the "HPV types not contained in the vaccine might offset the overall clinical effectiveness of the vaccine." There are more than 15 types of HPV associated with cervical cancer but GARDASIL only contains HPV types 16 and 18. It is unknown whether non-vaccine HPV types will become more dominant in the future. However, there are indications this could occur because some of the seven strains of pneumococcal contained in Wyeth's PREVNAR vaccine, which was recommended by the CDC for universal use in all babies in 2000, have been replaced by some of the more than 80 other pneumococcal strains not contained in the vaccine.

VAERS is a passive surveillance system and depends upon voluntary reporting of serious health problems following vaccination, even though safety provisions in the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 mandated that health care providers report vaccine adverse events. There have been estimates that fewer than 10 percent, even as low as 1 to 4 percent, of adverse events which occur after prescription drug or vaccine use are ever reported to government adverse event reporting systems.

"If only 1 to 4 percent of all adverse events associated with GARDASIL vaccination are being reported to VAERS, there could have been up to 38,000 health problems after GARDASIL vaccination in 2006 which were never reported," said Fisher. "How many girls are really having short-term health problems associated with getting this vaccine that could turn into long-term neurological or immune system disorders? And how many will go on to develop fertility problems, cancer or damage to their genes, all of which Merck admits in its product insert that it has not studied at all? We just don't know enough to be mandating GARDASIL for anyone, much less vulnerable 11 to 12 year old girls entering puberty."

National Vaccine Information Center
http://www.nvic.org

Article URL: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/63586.php
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:36 PM
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25. thanks...this helps me to understand
more about why obama might have made the decision she did.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:46 PM
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31. The NVIC is a dubious organization.
Well known for pseudoscientific misinformation.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:12 PM
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33. thanks for that too
:hi: i will do my own research on this.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:24 PM
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34. delete. See additional info below...
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 07:36 PM by KoKo01
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:34 PM
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35. NVIC was founded in '81 worked with Congress on Vaccine Injury Act & is Non-Profit...
NVIC (www.nvic.org) was founded in 1982 and worked with Congress on the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. The non-profit watchdog group advocates for safer vaccine policies and the legal right for Americans to make informed, voluntary decisions about vaccination.

NVIC Says Government Denies Gardasil Risks

Vaccine Watchdog Group Calls for Transparency

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to publicly release the study design, data and names of principal investigators involved in a statement this week maintaining that Gardasil vaccine is safe with no serious side effects. NVIC will also be calling on the newly elected President and members of Congress to remove the nation’s vaccine safety monitoring system from the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) and place it in a separate entity reporting directly to Congress to restore trust in the nation’s public health laws based on federal mass vaccination policies.

The CDC and FDA are alleging that the vast majority - if not all - of the approximately 9,000 HPV vaccine adverse events, including 27 deaths, reported to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) are not causally related to the Gardasil vaccine based on internal analysis, including review of medical records of girls and women vaccinated in HMO's participating in the federal Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) Project and other closed government operated databases.

“Transparency in government is essential to trust in government and replication is the hallmark of good science,” said NVIC co-founder and president Barbara Loe Fisher. “Parents of young girls and women cut down in their prime - some of them paralyzed or dead within hours or days of getting Gardasil vaccine - deserve better answers than a whitewashing of this vaccine’s very serious side effects. Until there is an independent confirmation of these unverified findings by individuals and companies without financial ties to the government or industry, it is not credible.”

* In June 2006 NVIC questioned the quality and quantity of Merck’s pre-licensure Gardasil vaccine safety data in girls under age 16 and, in 2007, issued three reports analyzing serious Gardasil adverse events reported to VAERS;
* In 2007, Merck lobbied in many states for Gardasil vaccine mandates but failed in most;
* During 2008, about 20 percent of all vaccine adverse event reports to VAERS were related to Gardasil even though it is not a mandated vaccine like most others;
* Last week, reports that Merck’s Gardasil sales are falling dramatically and are not offsetting similar declining sales of other drugs associated with safety concerns prompted Merck to lower profit projections and layoff employees.

NVIC (www.nvic.org) was founded in 1982 and worked with Congress on the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. The non-profit watchdog group advocates for safer vaccine policies and the legal right for Americans to make informed, voluntary decisions about vaccination.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:09 PM
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39. I'm hoping folks who are skeptical of the OP checked this site out...n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 08:00 PM
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37. Also of interest...
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:58 PM
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8. Is this about that Gardisal again. Everything to do with that drug is hinky
From their lobbying the government to make it mandatory, from their not so great pre-testing, from the funny reports about bad side effects and the reports about it not be effective.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:00 PM
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9. I'd like to know more information.
Either the story is bunk. Or you've got one group of people who are racist, or the other anti-science kooks.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:27 PM
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24. See post #23 .......
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:02 PM
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11. B.R.A.V.O!
:toast:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:13 PM
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18. Shit. The media is going to try and do its fucking job during the Obama administration.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 06:13 PM by anonymous171
They got tired of being the president's lapdog (just in time for a democratic president too.) Fuck 'em.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:42 PM
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27. Good for her. It does sound reminiscent of the Tuskegee study.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:44 PM
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28. Except they weren't only doing in to Black Girls...but all other young Girls...
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 06:44 PM by KoKo01
Be sure to read the info I linked in Post #23.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:33 PM
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38. Amazing that in this day and age, U of Chicago would propose such
a plan, specifying black girls (Is this for sure?) I want this board to cease demeaning the SOUTH about its racism immediately; this the respected University of Chicago, not some BUSH-league organization, that happens to be in the NORTH. I hate any kind of bigotry, but I also despise the tendency of some DUers to constantly demean the SOUTH, which has many progressive citizens/voters, who are trying to make a difference.
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