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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:14 PM
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Anyone else concerned that Blagojevich seems to be convicted BY the police?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 09:37 PM by HEyHEY
I'm not defending him. What I'm saying is the police are standing up and making comments implying he's been charged and found guilty. Maybe it's a difference in countries, up here the cops don't say FUCK ALL when they arrest someone. It all comes out in court and they don't often editorialize a whole lot. I don't like it myself. I like how you guys display the evidence and all that. ANYWAY... the showing of evidence is fine, but the editorializing from the fuzz I find a bit worrisome.


to clarify... I'm not talking about whether he did it (I think he did). I'm talking about police loweing the bar and displaying poor conduct by basically TELLING us he did it, without at doubt, before the guy is even booked. That's a bit too SS for my tastes. They SHOULD be standing there and just saying "Here's our evidence and this is why we think charges are needed."
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:16 PM
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1. this is reality in the bu$h* years....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:17 PM
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2. It'll get sorted out.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 09:17 PM by Cleita
It's our crappy media that reports and then thinks.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:18 PM
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3. I'm skeptical because it's Fitzgerald
I don't trust him at all, after his little dance with the Bush Administration.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:21 PM
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4. Wel, how do you get unbiased jurors when the whole state....
Hears expressions like "Political Crime Spree"?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:25 PM
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15. The whole state has hated this man for quite some time.
We didn't need Fitz's help with that. Blago has been doing quite nicely all by himself.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:31 PM
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20. Perhaps, but ya can't allow the cops to act that way, when does it end?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:36 PM
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25. I'm more concerned about a goernor acting this way.
Blago's dictatorship cost three of my parishioners their jobs. This man needs to go to prison.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:38 PM
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30. He will, so sent him there the right way.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:21 PM
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5. Something just doesn't SMELL right. I want to see/hear the cold hard evidence.
Given the SHITTY job ole "Fitz" did with regard to investigating Bush-Co on TREASON, I don't trust this man as far as I could throw him.

I want to KNOW what's true, NOT what Fitz says is "a fact" along with the TACKY insult to the state of Illinois (in competition for most corrupt politicians).

Hey FITZ, how about that Executive Branch that you <snicker snicker> investigated? Are they as corrupt as this Executive Branch? :nuke:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:23 PM
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7. Blago is as corrupt as they come. We in Illinois are happy to see him go. nt
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:44 PM
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45. I agree - it doesn't smell right. nt
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:21 PM
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6. Notice how Blago threatened to pull state biz from Bank of America and whammo.
The two events seem a bit "close". Just a thought.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:23 PM
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8. They couldn't get the warrants and all that evidence overnight...so fraid there's no connection
The cops wouldn't take him to court if they didn't have actual evidence.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:24 PM
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11. This has been coming for years. That it didn't happen before the election
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 09:24 PM by mycritters2
is a gift to Obama. But it was going to happen. Blago has been an indictment waiting to happen.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:27 PM
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16. Nope, there's no coincidences in politics. The corporate RW of both parties is staging a coup.
:(
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:37 PM
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29. You're suggesting Blagojevich is the VICTIM?!!
:rofl:

So, I take it you're not from Illinois.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:43 PM
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42. Hell no, but FITZ is not to be trusted either. They both IMO, are political whores = SCUMBAGS.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:53 PM
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57. Blago is as corporate as Dems come. He's been a whore his entire time in office.
Trust me, if the corporates are coming after governors, Blago's one of the last ones they're going for. I mean, come on. The dude's pretty clear that he'll play ball with anyone if you cut him a check.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:46 PM
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52. yep. said the same thing to the owner of the company I work for today
when I learned of the news

hard to think these events are not related
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:23 PM
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9. I agree completely....
I'm not a Blago fan by any means, but he is innocent until proven guilty.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:24 PM
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10. Yeah and the clips of the cops I saw on BBC were almost slanderous. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:25 PM
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13. Lord help me ... after researching Clinton's DLC Executive Branch and living through The Horrors of
Bush's two terms, I DON'T TRUST ANY POLITICIAN without hard evidence.

Something is Fucked-Up and I fear we "little people"(non-investor/chattering classes) are about to get The Shaft ... again. :nuke:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:25 PM
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12. Ahh, let's not bring reason into the middle of a DU ethics circle jerk
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:25 PM
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14. No. He was convicted by taped conversations.
Have you read the conversations? How he was trying to sell a US Senate seat to the highest bidder? That doesn't bother you? It was fucking ridiculous.

Fitzgerald said several times that he's entitled to due process. I don't like the idea that the FBI could destroy a political career with an arrest but they clearly did the right thing here.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:27 PM
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18. When I say "Convicted" I mean the police don't seem to be willing to step back....
And allow justice to take its course. I think he did it, that isn't the question. My issue is that I think the conduct of the police in this situation is inappropriate.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:33 PM
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21. How are they not letting justice take its course?
Fitzgerald said Rod is innocent until proven guilty several times. He's out of jail now. He didn't say what the legislature was obligated to do in terms of removing him from office or give any opinion about that aspect.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:34 PM
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23. He may have said "He's innocent until proven guilty" but
He also refered to it as "A politcal crime spree" and other such things. That, in my opinion just isn't professional. And those who think he did it should be a little miffed as such happenings can complicate investigations.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:38 PM
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32. Everything he sad was accurate and backed up.
If you arrest a Governor you have to be ready to justify it in detail to people who might think its just political. Fitzgerald did nothing wrong today.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:55 PM
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60. He SAYS backed up.... but wait til the defence gets hold of it
No need to give them a jumpstart! I guess my other concern is, a jury could be tainted by the cop's remarks.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:42 PM
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40. He has to. Imagine the outrage if he had arrested a sitting governor and not said a word about it!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:44 PM
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46. That's par for the course here
So that's why I have trouble with it I guess. Here we only get the name, charges and a summary of why they were charged. Then we gotta wait until court for the rest. I suppose that's why.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:49 PM
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54. Just a difference in the custom, I suppose.
Our District, State, and United States attorneys are all very acutely sensitive to public opinion, as are our police departments. If high-profile cases like these turn sour, there are calls for resignations and people lose jobs. As such, they get out in front of public opinion by explaining what they're doing. Defendants try to do the same, of course. Neither are looking to impact the case itself; both are just concerned with the political fallout.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:52 PM
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56. Ha! That's the same excuse we use
Here they say they aren't releasing the info cause it could dammage the prosecution's case...etc... where you are they say the opposite... I guess they're all full of shit! :-)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:28 PM
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19. Because FITZ told ya so? And you TRUST the man who dropped the ball on Executive Branch TREASON?
Wow ... just "WOW."
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:36 PM
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26. Taped conversations v. your conspiracy theory.
I know which I believe. WOW is right.

There are good reasons why Dick Durbin, Barack Obama and pretty much every other Democrat in the state have been distancing themselves from the Governor for over a year. Did you notice that he wasn't asked to speak at the Democratic convention?
Blagojevich always uses some populist rhetorical bullshit to defend himself but its all an act. He doesn't really do anything for anyone but himself. That's what the Bank of America bravado was. He was grandstanding because he knew the heat was coming down. You're falling for it. Get a clue.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:37 PM
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27. SHOW ME? Can you? Didn't think so. eom
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:40 PM
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36. people, people, people... take this fight to one of the other threads please...
I just want to discuss if the police should be so cavlier in there conduct in front of the press when discussing a criminal matter.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:44 PM
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44. Show you what exactly?
Did you read my entire comment? The great thing about conspiracy theorists is that they always find a way to dismiss anything that doesn't support their suspicions. But if you really want the story you can go to this website and start reading all the posts after you finish this one:

http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/2008/12/09/source-feds-take-gov-blagojevich-into-custody/#comments

The fact that NO ONE in Illinois is surprised by this should tell you something.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:27 PM
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17. Do we have any evidence that Blagojevich talked to someone other
than his friends and aides about the possibility of getting something in exchange for an appointment? Do we have any evidence that he had pulled something like this before? From what I can tell, he and his aides were talking about something they wanted to do. With whom did Blagojevich discuss this crazy plan other than his aides and friends?

Sounds like Blagojevich was a bit off his rocker, so to speak. Certainly if he was selling jobs for favors this blatantly, he is a crook, but I can't tell what really happened here. We shall find out but it is a bit soon to declare the guy convicted. An indictment or information will surely follow. That should be easy enough to get. He could also be convicted of something. We shall see what it is, if anything.
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GodDamLiberal Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:34 PM
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22. Read the Indictment
Take the time to actually read something.
Yeah, it's almost 80 pages but when you do you'll think he's guilty of something.
So why should the "fuzz" pretend otherwise.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2008-12/43789434.pdf

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:36 PM
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24. Excuse me? I HAVE read it, maybe YOU need to read something... like my OP properly
I'm not talking about his innocence. I'm talking about the behaviour of the police.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:39 PM
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34. The bastard is probably as guilty as hell but "the feeding frenzy" is a little suspicious.
Remember Fitz wouldn't say "squat" when he was in the midst of prosecutions? Why does Fitz have verbal diarrhea now? REGARDLESS of whether the guy is FILTH or NOT?!?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:41 PM
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37. He said quite a bit after he hit Scooter with felony charges. He's saying quite a bit now.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 09:41 PM by Occam Bandage
And he's saying why he's doing it now: because Blagojevich is in the middle of a crime spree, and it would be irresponsible to sit silently and watch him sell a Senate seat to the highest bidder, or watch him extort the Tribune corporation into firing its best journalists.
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GodDamLiberal Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:48 PM
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53. As I said
So why should the "fuzz" pretend otherwise.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:53 PM
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58. Because, as I said, it could hurt their case
What if after the case the defense claims the jury pool was tainted in part due to the remarks made upon his buddy's arrest?
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:37 PM
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28. In the end he may just be another
loud, crude, potty-mouth, smart assed politician. Has he actually done anything felonious? Foul language is something all politicians use. But thank Heavens he is not my governor.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:38 PM
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31. If trying to sell a Senate seat isn't a felony,
it sure as hell ought to be!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:39 PM
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35. Soliciting bribes is a felony. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:39 PM
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33. No. He's a scumbag. And DAs/USAs always state their case as fact, just as defendants do.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 09:44 PM by Occam Bandage
It isn't more immoral for Fitz to say "we nabbed him because he's guilty" than it is for Blago to say "no I'm not."
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:42 PM
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38. Now you are catching on ... THEY (politicians) almost ALL are SCUMBAGS.
It takes WE, THE PEOPLE, to cattle prod them into doing the right thing by us. It's been proven OVER and OVER again: You can't trust politicians - you FORCE politicians to abide by the will of their constituents out of FEAR of losing their political power.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:43 PM
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41. ...I don't think anything I've said there can be used to back up that statement.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:44 PM
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47. Don't believe ANYTHING until you see the evidence. Fitz is a loser sell-out, not a hero. eom
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:46 PM
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50. Thanks for the opinion. Filed with the rest. nt
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:42 PM
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39. Maybe that's the difference, we don't have "DAs"
So you don't hear from the Prosecution until the case starts.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:44 PM
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43. He's being arrested while the biggest criminal of all is still in the White House nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:45 PM
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49. Bush/Cheney were smart enough to send a sacrificial lamb out to obstruct the evidence.
Blago was stupid enough to conduct felonious business on the phone despite knowing there was a Federal corruption investigation on him.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 12:20 AM
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65. I wish I could rec this post
Seriously, this needs to be said over and over again.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:51 PM
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66. Unfortunately, our criminal president and VP have murdered thousands nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:46 PM
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51. But oh, he's much worse, and we respect the attorney who dropped the ball on Executive Treason
to be totally HONEST about this case.

Hey, the guy may be as guilty as hell, but with Fitz prosecuting, I have to WONDER.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:50 PM
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55. He didn't drop the ball. Scooter hid the ball, and Fitz hit him with felony charges.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 09:50 PM by Occam Bandage
After he got Scooter convicted, he couldn't do shit. He said there was "a dark cloud around the Vice President," but a dark cloud isn't enough to convict in any court. That whole innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt thing.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:56 PM
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61. Sure
;) :evilgrin:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:45 PM
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48. I am. He's already been tried and convicted...
I'd like to hear the entire conversations myself, rather than some bleeping excerpts.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:54 PM
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59. The entire complaint is available on the Tribune website.
Interesting reading.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 10:01 PM
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62. Thanks..
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 10:06 PM
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63. Here's a link:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 12:14 AM
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64. that was great reading..
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 12:24 AM by stillcool47
a little repetitive with Person A, Person 1, etc., it was pretty typical (I read lots of political thrillers)... until he got into the Warren Buffet and Bill Gates stuff. That's when I lost all respect for him. I know Senate seats can be expensive, but I thought that was over the top. Who does he think he is..Cheney?
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