Alert: Please watch C-SPAN

[H2O Man]

This morning, there is going to be something on C-SPAN at around 10 am. It might be at 10:05, or 10:10. But it will be early.

If possible, I hope some kind DUers are able to fill those less fortunate folks who are unable to watch their tv as to what Rep. Conyers has to say.

[Nickster]

1. CSPAN 1 or Gore on CSPAN 3? n/t

[H2O Man]

5. 1 (House)

Gore's presentation is very important. But I have reason to believe that Rep Conyers has something important to say this morning. I believe that he will be speaking early.

[Nickster]

Last question, Eastern Time?

[H2O Man]

7. Yes

I believe so.

[seemslikeadream]

2. Will they be broadcasting the House?

Will they break in?

[H2O Man]

10. I believe

that House coverage starts at 10. I was told at 9:40 that it was important to watch in :30 to :40 minutes.

[caledesi]

28. Thanks H20 Man. Just woke up! nt

[waiting for hope]

3. Already there...

Just listened to Bruce Fein talking about the AG Scandal - not too bad for a republican - his main theme was transparency in government - which has been lacking for quite some time.

[TahitiNut]

15. Bruce Fein has taken several stances with which I agree.

He was a leading voice in opposing Harriet Miers' nomination to SCOTUS.
He has been a leading opponent of Presidential signing statements.

While he often seems to arrive at these stances by paths I wouldn't take, at least he does so with a certain kind of integrity altogether absent in the current administration.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

19. I heard him speak last night, with Bob Barr.

I found myself nodding over and over again. His overriding concern is the support and importance of the Constitution, a stance to contrary to what the Bushistas say or do.

he was interesting on CSpan, as well.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. CSPAN jerk alert! Kimberly Kagan is on.

she is wife to fred kagan, sister in law to Robert Kagan (weaklie standard) and is a neocon from her toes to her nose.
and she speaks even more irritatingly than the boy who would be king.

[H2O Man]

6. The House

starts at 10.

[seemslikeadream]

9. yes

That would make Kimberly Kagan the wife of "surge" proponent Frederick Kagan.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. she admitted that tie, with a smile.

Her message over all ( although she is exceedingly difficult to listen to) is
this is a success, but it takes time. Past records "show us" that success is still possible.

[Cassandra]

11. On what planet is she...

a military historian? Oh yeah, on planet cronyism.

[babylonsister]

12. Really. She''s robotic in her speaking, too. nt

[G_Leo_Criley]

56. emergency supplemental appropriations bill n/t

glc

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

13. This is one hostile bushie,

Half expecting her to start snarling and bite the host just for the joy of it.

[babylonsister]

66. And she teaches military history at Georgetown U? Poisoning minds

all over DC.

[Oilwellian]

18. A caller just exposed her

And yes, she's really weird.

I'll be watching for you H2O Man.

[H2O Man]

20. She is odd.

They should be switching to the House soon.

[TahitiNut]

53. I can detect no symptom that would indicate she's a contemplative thinker.

I see and hear a tape recorder - rote information storage and retrieval as a substitute for scholarship. Just one step further than brainless talking points, she adopts a viewpoint that is selective and devoid of any apparent appreciation of social forces - solely authoritarian in character.

[Lerkfish]

8. rats. I'm in a meeting at 10 am.

so can't watch it. I'll bookmark this thread.

[H2O Man]

17. I spoke with

Rep Conyers' office this morning. The person I spoke to encouraged me to be watching C-SPAN when it starts this morning. I think that he has something very important to say about this growing conflict with the Bush administration. It should be interesting.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

22. ack! but I'm watching Al Gore on CSPAN3

what to do?! :shrug:

[bananas]

24. I thought you were going to work?

picture-in-picture?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

29. I have to leave in 20 min

:(

for now Cspan 3 streaming on the comp (just introducing Al) and Cspan on the teevee...

[IWantAChange]

14. Ms Kagan has first hand knowledge from the streets of Bahgdad? NOT

Situation on the ground changing rapidly? Oh yeah - for the worse you Bimbo. Repuke talking heads hopefully are on the list to become extinct like the dinosaur.

[Stephanie]

21. K&R #5

Can you give us a hint?

[H2O Man]

25. Just that

someone from his office strongly suggested that I watch the discussion on C-SPAN this morning. We were talking about Karl Rove.

[Stephanie]

38. They're not doing discussion right now - they're covering the House.

Is he going to speak on the House floor?

[H2O Man]

43. I only know

that a person I consider trustworthy told me that I will enjoy watching C-SPAN1 shortly after 10 this morning. We were discussing Karl Rove when she said this.

[Stephanie]

50. So I guess it will be when these one minutes speeches are done.

Hmmmm.... curiouser and curiouser.

[H2O Man]

54. Me, too .....

I hope it comes up soon.

[kitkat65]

23. Currrently on opening prayer

Another woman is filling in Pelosi's speaker role.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Thank you! I have it on! Listening to Al Gore's testimony on 'puter AND C-SPAN 1.

It ain't easy.:) :hi:

[H2O Man]

31. It's good that

there are important issues being discussed on more than one channel. When it comes to C-SPAN 1, if something comes up soon, I'll post it here.

The Gore information is very important. I wish I had C-SPAN3.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. I don't have SPAN 3, but watch online. Here's a link if you want to watch:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

Gore's testifying now.

[Rose Siding]

46. link here-

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[rosesaylavee]

49. Now you have it ... link here.

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

I am watching it online.

[Lasher]

52. But you can watch CSPAN3 on the internet

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[H2O Man]

57. Thank you. n/t

[nitpicker]

27. Gore has made his way into the hearing.

People on the committee are now speaking about Gore. CSPAN Radio is carrying this one too.

[tblue37]

30. EST? (eom)

[H2O Man]

33. Yep. n/t

[Marie26]

32. Hearing at 10:15

Wednesday 03/21/2007 - 10:15 AM
2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law

Subcommittee Meeting to Consider Subpoena Authorization

Consideration of authorizing the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee to issue subpoenas to the following individuals to secure testimony at a hearing, and to obtain documents from these individuals, as well as unredacted documents from the Department of Justice and the White House, pursuant to the Committee’s investigation concerning the recent termination of United States Attorneys and related subjects.

http://judiciary.house.gov/

Live webcast from Judiciary Committee site - http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/judiciary/17223/56_judiciary-coj_2141_070212.ram

[H2O Man]

35. Thanks! n/t

[Marie26]

41. Sure!

Hopefully some DU'ers can watch the entire Committee webcast & let everyone know what happens. I'm not sure if this will actually be on C-Span, because there's competition from the Al Gore hearing & sessions of Congress.

ETA: Judiciary Committee Webcast starting now.... 10:17

[myrna minx]

34. I quite intrigued. Tuning in. n/t

[radfringe]

36. 1 minute speeches on now

[nitpicker]

40. Turn on CSPAN radio.

Gore is thanking some committee members. He is stating that back when his father was serving, the CO2 PPM was 300, and it is now 383, and that is what brings him here. Now a sense of hope that this congress will rise to the occasion, present real solution to this crisis.

[nitpicker]

103. More from Gore.

Saying the world faces a planetary emergency, admitting that sounded shrill, but there is 4x more times people than in 1900. Says population is stabilizing as death rates come down, but with 4X more people will probably reach 9 billion by 2050. And the technology side-effects often outstrips the wisdom (learned). He said the short-term focus, the day-trading and news cycle, the polls versus going out and meeting the people, has all changed things and is part of the climate crisis problem.

He's citing the 300 movie, saying a relatively small group acted. He said likewise now, a small group, Congress, can influence things, just as the parties reached across the aisle and stood down communism. He paid tribute to Marshall's recovery plan for Europe, saying that took vision.

Gore said he has come to Congress with messages from 516000 people who have responded to his call, saying about 100 people a second have contacted his website, (from all over the spectrum, and have called on Congress to act and adopt legislation. He said the day will come when children and grandchildren look back and either ask "what in god's name were they doing while scientists issued reports calling on them to act? Letting them dump tons of pollution each day into the air?" or "how did they find the courage to rise above politics and redeem the promise of American democracy?" Gore said he would muster up all the support he could for Congress to do the right thing.

Gore suggested that first, the new evidence in the last few months shows it might be even worse than has been described. One article said the Arctic ice cap is melting more rapidly and may disappear in summer by 2040 or a bit later, and if it goes it won't come back soon, and there are glacial quakes in Antartica, going from 7 to 32 a year, and they couldn't predict what will happen there. Another article said that methane is in danger of being released. A study said there are bad fires correlated with rising temperatures, as earlier springs bring earlier melting of snowpack, dryer soils, drier vegetation=kindling. Fires in the US, Australia, Russia; Australia has a drought.

Gore said there are many other signs that there is no time to play around with this. He called for immediately freezing US CO2 emissions and then heading for 90% reductions by 2050. Next, he said the tax code should reduce taxes on employers and put in pollution taxes, not discourage work and destroy habitability. He said the employer taxes help make the US less competitive. He acknowledged this would be difficult, but said the carbon cost needs to be counted. He next said that some of the tax revenues should be directed to lower-income persons who need help with the change. He noted Kyoto has been demonized. However, he said that he had worked on arms control when he was in Congress, and Reagan eventually put forth the START treaty. He called for the US to work towards the defacto compliance with Kyoto, and for whoever is elected in 2009 to start all-out to get a treaty starting in 2010, and get India/China/Russia/etc involved sooner rather than later.

Gore said Congress should block any new coal plants that don't capture the carbon. He said that just as Congress helped DARPA develop the internet, there should be an electric net, allowing homeowners and small business to put up electrophotaics and small windmills and let them sell back energy into the grid, letting the market set the price for the energy.

Gore said that the auto milage standards should be improved, and Congress should set a date for a ban on incadescent lightbulbs, and people will all adjust if all have to do it.

Gore said you can have carbon-neutral buildings. He said people look at house prices, but the insulation and windows don't pay for themselves until years down the road. He called for a carbon-neutral mortgage association.

Gore said the SEC should require statement disclosure of carbon emissions, as this is a material risk and affects the climate crisis.

Gore thanked the committee, saying that the Japanese pair two symbols together, risk and opportunity, to describe crisis. He said the greatest generation had moral imperatives, and said the US has the opportunity to solve this historic challenge.

[nitpicker]

116. Question time.

One speaker is saying climate change should be a bipartisan issue. However, he wondered what should be the cost of this? Gore thanked the chairman of the committee for joining his group. He said that on July 7, they will launch a three-year persuasion campaign, internet, radio, as the problem is not going away, so the support needs to increase.

On the cost, he said someone has been right for 30 years about things, and that if people go about this the right way, instead of - sign for cost, it is a + sign for saving money. He admitted some solutions have - signs as well as + signs. He said that in Sweden they build some buildings with more insulation and good siting, and they benefit from the expenditure. He said the US can improve the economy's performance and save $, as pollution wastes raw materials.

Gore said the Stern report came out in the UK, and the Tories and Labour are competing with one another about who has the most effective solution, not arguing about the science. He said the Stern report said the cost to the economy of not doing things would be enormous.

[nitpicker]

121. Barton's response

He wanted to see written versions of Gore's legislative proposals. He said that science is not sure that CO2=global warming, or about global warming itself. He's now referring to the President's scientists. He said the Earth ((in the distant past)) was even warmer than today, and CO2 levels were as high as 1000 ppm. He said that sea levels were rising inches, and implied that claims that sea levels could rise 20 feet are overdone.

[babylonsister]

37. H20 Man speaks, we all listen!

I'm there, and waiting for the esteemed Mr. Conyers. Thanks!

[Stephanie]

39. So true!

:hi:

[babylonsister]

55. Hello there your own self,

:hi: I saw your pics of pissypants this a.m. I just wish he was as concerned as his tired old face and frame appear, but I don't think he suffers at all, while the rest of us do because of him. :(

[Cameron27]

42. K&R

[H2O Man]

45. Dennis Kucinich

is wonderful.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

48. That speech was perfect. nt

[radfringe]

47. Kucinich up now

talking about Iraq, immoral war

[IWantAChange]

51. I keep hearing Repuke rhetoric that sounds like Stay the Course -

saying that troops ask why doesn't Congress support us is such a crock a shit that the Repuke that said it should be bitch-slapped.

[TahitiNut]

58. Candice Miller makes me nauseous.

:puke: She 'represents' folks to the northeast of me. Yechh!

[Octafish]

122. Before you returned, she was our seckertary of snakes.

Got famous by shortening the wait for license plates.

Perhaps one day soon she'll join Bush and his cronies making them.

[Marie26]

59. It won't be on CSPAN!

Conyers & his committee will be voting on issuing subpoenas to Miers & Rove this morning, but it won't be broadcast on any CSPAN channel (even CSPAN 3). You can only see it at the House Judiciary webcast:

http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/judiciary/17223/56_judiciary-coj_2141_070212.ram

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Thank you! The hearing has started.

Thanks for the link.

[H2O Man]

74. Can you tell us

what is happening? I can't get the link to work.

[Lasher]

69. My PC doesn't like that link.

Are you watching it with Windows Media Player or something else?

[Marie26]

70. Real Player

I might not have posted the link correctly, if you go to the House Judiciary website, you can reach the webcast link from there:

http://judiciary.house.gov/

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. I think ALL 1 minute speeches should be about the firing of the U.S. attorneys. HIT 'EM HARD

every chance you get! Hammer, hammer, hammer. They should ALL be asking what this administration is hiding.

[mikelgb]

61. supenoa hearing not on CSPAN

watch here for judiciary commitee hearing

http://judiciary.house.gov/

[mikelgb]

64. Rep Sanchez is the chair

so not sure what conyers / cspan is all about

[Princess Turandot]

62. Just started Judiciary hearing viewable on line at:

via http://judiciary.house.gov/ ..scroll down box on top left corner for link.

[H2O Man]

72. Thanks ....

I can't seem to get it to open.

[suffragette]

73. Thanks, watching it now.

[G_Leo_Criley]

75. the fired us attorneys

rahm emmanuel up speaking about, rove miers, the white house says closed door only hearings.

"time for the truth"

[IWantAChange]

101. Conyers keeps gently hammering need for testimony under oath versus 'conversations'

[H2O Man]

104. Your opinion:

Do you think the republicans are listening with an open mind? Is Conyers making progress?

[G_Leo_Criley]

63. "the supplemental"

the emergency supplemental bill is on a few minds this morning.

Hodes of NH was just up discussing money for medical care for vets -- wishes to double it

glc

[porphyrian]

65. Rep. Boozman gets the Ears-Most-Like-Handles Award. - n/t

[Lerkfish]

68. back from my meeting: H20 Man: can you be more specific?

I dont' have real audio player here at work, so can't watch the judiciary webcasts.
Is it on tv somewhere?

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. Not on TV. C-SPAN 1 and 2 are covering the House and Senate. This is the hearing on

whether or not to subpoena the liars in the WH. The vote to do so happens today.

[H2O Man]

77. Can you describe

the hearing?

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. Who was the asshole who just spoke and told the Majority to step back from the subpoenas?

That wasn't a Dem, was it?

[suffragette]

87. There were two of them, both spouting talking points

But I didn't hear the names

[Tennessee Gal]

78. Try this link.

http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/judiciary/17223/56_judiciary-coj_2141_070212.ram

[H2O Man]

81. Can you describe

the hearing? (I tried the link; it does not work for me.)

[IWantAChange]

I know I'm biased but the Repukes sure sound like kids afraid the wedgie is coming

[suffragette]

79. The first one up is running through the talking points

of why not to issue the subpoenas

[suffragette]

80. Conyers is up!

[H2O Man]

83. Please give details

for those of us not able to watch it. Thanks!

[G_Leo_Criley]

88. conyers ...

"we are not going to move in a reckless or angry way at all"

[in_cog_ni_to]

82. Conyers speaking now!

This is not a side show.

[H2O Man]

85. Please give details.

Pretty please?

[suffragette]

91. "Let's vote this out unanamously today" - Conyers

[H2O Man]

93. What is your impression?

Are the republicans going to cooperate?

[suffragette]

96. They're fighting it

They're all saying "Partisan witch hunt" over and over again, doing a tag team on the talking points

[Wilber_Stool]

84. Rep. Conyers

on Judiciary Hearings NOW!

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. If the WH doesn't want to be under oath or have a transript, we could just meet at the local PUB.

:rofl:

[Democrat 4 Ever]

106. Repug shill just completely misrepresented what Lam said last

week under oath. Said there were complaint about Lam months before Cunningham mess - this has been completely discounted but he is still putting forth this lie that Lam is incompetent. He is arguing against subpoenas because they haven't had the chance to review the released emails, Chucklenuts is offering to let Meirs and KKKarl speak to them. He has drunk a whole pitcher of Kool Aid this morning.

Repugs are really scrambly this morning. Keep saying Chucklenuts offered "a good offer". Dems saying it is insulting.

[Cameron27]

89. The Republicans are confused about purpose of the vote

whether it means actually sending out subpoenas now. Conyers "Let's vote this out unanimously today, and I'll give you my word, trust me, we are not going to move in a reckless or angry or tempermental way at all"

[in_cog_ni_to]

90. The Dems want the subpoenas to hold until the investigations lead them

to laws broken. The repukes will vote for the subpoenas IF they aren't going to be misused.:eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

92. Dems have the majority. Why do the repuke votes matter?

This vote will still pass.

[Tennessee Gal]

94. Conyers asking them to trust him.

Says motion is not political. It is merely a backup. Says Fielding was supposed to get with them last Friday. Yesterday's offer is not acceptable because of no transcript.

[suffragette]

95. Obviously they would have to be put under oath. We don't do anything without a record.

Quoting, best as I can Conyers

[G_Leo_Criley]

97. didn't take long

for someone (repub) to bring up Clinton invoking exec privilege

[H2O Man]

98. Thanks!

Much appreciated. Please keep us updated!

[suffragette]

113. It passed!

Woot!
Thanks so much for alerting us to watch, H2O. That was fast, but very important.

[suffragette]

99. "We can not interview people out in the hallway.. or in some conversational mode"

Go, Conyers

[Lasher]

100. I'll bet Junior would ask to testify sitting on Lord Vader's lap with no oath or record

The 911 commission settled for that but Conyers is smarter than that.

Boo hoo now I know exactly what the poor cube rats feel like.

[suffragette]

102. Ack - it cut out on me.

[G_Leo_Criley]

105. right right...

the oath isn't all that significant says Cannon (R) FL.

[suffragette]

107. Ayes have it !

[mikelgb]

108. motion agreed to

[zanne]

112. What just happened?

The Ayes have it--have what? What's the plan?

[G_Leo_Criley]

114. they voted to authorized

use of subpoenas if it comes to that.

:-)

glc

[suffragette]

115. This was a vote about the subpoenas

It would be up to the House Judiciary Committee to actually issue them or not, but this cleared the way for Conyer's committee to be able to do that. Very good news.

[zanne]

117. Oh. Thanks! nt

[Oilwellian]

109. Republicans are claiming...

Bush's offer to interview Rove & Miers is "a good one"....MA Rep DeLaHunt just expressed it is NOT a good offer and wouldn't help get to the truth of the matter.

[Terri S]

110. Yes!!!!

[H2O Man]

125. "Yes!"

That's such a nice democratic word. So much more positive than the republican "No!"

[Mojorabbit]

111. It cut out on me too

Does this mean subpoenas are going out with the aye vote?

[TahitiNut]

118. Interestingly, subpoenas are approved by voice vote and no roll call vote was requested.

Thus, the GOPhers are not eager to have their vote against subpoenas on the record. Looks like the tin soldiers are toppling on this one.

[H2O Man]

124. It seems unlikely

that many republicans are going to really go to bat for the White House on this one. I think they know what is coming up in the next week.

[in_cog_ni_to]

119. Oh Happy Day!!!!!

This is so sweet.

[H2O Man]

123. Isn't it though?

It has me singing along with George:

Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right

Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...

Little darling, I feel that ice is slowly melting
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been clear
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right
It's all right

[Lasher]

120. Story on this is number 1 on the greatest page right now (EOM)