anyone on here know about Ashkenazi ?

[Mari333]

Have to ask, very important. I looked it up on wickepedia and it says Ashkenazi Jews..if thats true, I just found out I am Jewish.
anyone with any info ,,,thanks...

[dipsydoodle]

1. Had you found this link

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/judaism_guide/ashkenazi_jews/index.htm

And this one looks interesting too : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10827385/

Happy Hanukkah! :)

[Mari333]

3. thanks!!!

had dna analysis done..highest score on it was Ashkenazi..
I did NOT expect to see that..holy shit...it blows away everything I was told about my ancestry..
I am still sort of amazed!!!! thanks
and theres Afghanistan and Kuwait tribes on there too which is even weirder..
good lord

[barbtries]

6. do you have a link for that analysis?

was it very expensive? i'd love to do that if it doesn't cost too much.

[Mari333]

13. it was dnatribes.com

as i recall. it was very thorough...i am still overwhelmed. and no, there are no native americans as i was told, and i find it amusing i was raised catholic. my mother is going to faint.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Sorry to butt in....

...there are a number of Jews who converted to Christianity (especially Catholicism) because of pogroms and other events.

[Mari333]

25. ah ha!!! I was raised super catholic

i have a lot to read I see.

[aquart]

37. This was mitochondrial dna?

So it's just the history of the women, right? All those patriarchal catholic fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers are still there but you'd need to test your brothers to see them....but once upon a time there was this irresistible woman...

[Mari333]

41. tested, me and my sons

they all came out mostly ashkenazi. yeah, but i am still a mutt of course.

[aquart]

48. The boys also? Oh my.

Many many untold stories up your tree.

I would be horribly disappointed if I tested all Ashkenazi. I want DNA from at least three continents or I will be so annoyed.

And, if they could magically find just one Cherokee gene, just one...I would smile forever.

[sufrommich]

26. Somewhere back in your linage,someone decided being

a jew was dangerous,probably not all that uncommon given the history of anti semitism throughout the world,past and present.

[Mari333]

28. that must be it

yes, i have a lot of studying to do.

[sufrommich]

30. How fun for you. I'm getting that done as soon as I have $200.00

to spare.What a journey you have ahead of you (I'm jealous).

[no_hypocrisy]

32. Mazeltov, Bubbe!

[Mari333]

33. whats really funny....

I had a boyfriend back in the 70s..we lived together for 2 years...when I approached him about marriage, he said "No, I cannot marry you, you arent Jewish..(he was)...." we split up later
boy would I like to throw this in his face now..
LOL

[dipsydoodle]

34. Well if you do ever see him

tell him he's a mug. :)

[aquart]

49. Two years and he pulled that crap?

And you let him live?

[aquart]

35. The Jews became the chosen people because of sex appeal.

Seriously. I am, of course, Ashkenazi.

And human beings were always managing to become better acquainted with each other one way or another. It is simply amazing how we managed to get around without car or motels or planes.

I am not surprised about the Afghan relationship. They're the only people I've seen in National Geographic with those two-tone eyes like mine.

What were you originally told about your ancestry?

[Mari333]

39. I was told

that I was irish, german, french, and thats about it. later i did some geneaology and found out there was english in there. but the dna analysis showed that the 90 percent bulk of tribal lineage is ashkenazi. so i am cracking up. I am waiting for everyone in my bio family to wake up this morning to hit them with the truth.
I live in a small town in michigan, but we have a jewish temple here..hmmm wonder why i picked this little town...
yes, there was NEVER any mention of anything but aryan catholics in my family...so this is delightful and amazing...
i guess i can say SHALOM now LOL but heck I say that anyway..
hugs

[aquart]

42. I have an aunt who thought she was all Catholic Irish.

Went to Ireland and found out the Gillens were Irish Jews. And here she thought she had a mixed marriage.

[no_hypocrisy]

52. Irish. I can understand that.

My family was booted from Spain thanks to the Inquisition.

One-half went east to Holland, then Germany, then Russia/Lithuania.

The other half went west, to Ireland. They adopted the name Cassidy once assimilated.

[JI7]

2. Ashkenzi and Sephardic describes where Jewish people descended from

geographically i think.

[Mari333]

4. thanks!

[barbtries]

5. i'm trying to remember

ashkenazi jews were from northern europe was it? german, russian jews - like my ex-in-laws. the sephardim were from the mediterranean. both terms refer to european jews, yes. please update the thread with what you learn.

[Mari333]

8. yes heres some more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashchenaz

[Behind the Aegis]

7. What are you asking for?

My family is Ashkenazim. It is one branch in the Jewish lineage.

[Mari333]

10. I just found out my dna analysis

and its mostly ashkenazi...thats why i asked...i had no idea. no idea.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Then,,,,

...your lineage reaches to Eastern Europe. But, it goes further than that.

If I may ask, what are feelings now?

[Mari333]

17. ddddeeeeeeeelighted!!

[Behind the Aegis]

19. Well, good.

There is a long history, not always pleasant, for our kind. It will be something you might want to explore, both the good and bad.

[Mari333]

23. anything you can send me is wonderful

i will also spend this entire day doing research and apprising the rest of the family...they dont know..they will know by the end of the day..
this is going to be an interesting day.
hugs

[Behind the Aegis]

29. I will see what I can find.

If I don't reply to this thread, I will PM you, if that is acceptable. Understand too, Ashkenazim are not all "Russian." There are all kinds of things out there about us. Also, this will be a "downer," but you may also find you no longer have branches in your family tree.

[Mari333]

31. sure go ahead and PM me if you want

i am not concerned about branches, seems as tho a ton of people must have had sex with each other thru the decades..but the dna was overwhelmingly ashkenazi, it was the highest lineage, took up most of the analysis. and totally unexpected. hugs

[aquart]

38. He meant those relatives were likely murdered.

Mine were.

[Mari333]

47. I can see I have a lot to learn

:hugs:

[aquart]

50. So did I.

[Mari333]

55. okay I called my mom and told her

she said "I always knew it , no one said anything."
wtf
she said her grandmother was named Gross, and it must have been spoken of by them when she was a kid.
My sons are having a ball with this new info. One of his friends is filling him in now on his newfound lineage.
I think I just upset the apple cart with the whole family.
but, you cant fool mother nature!

[sufrommich]

56. That is just weird. Did you ask your Mom why her family chose

to hide part of it's heritage or what the circumstances were? I would find that extremely disconcerting.

[Mari333]

57. no, I didnt ask her

I expected her to freak out, and when she didnt, and she said that, I knew someone had been keeping a family secret..well no more thanks to me LOL..its ridiculous if she knew, or even had it hinted at in her family, and didnt say anything tho..I think its wonderful...!

[conscious evolution]

9. Diaspora Jews

Sephardic Jews are the ones whos ancestors stayed in Palestine.Askenazi were run out by the Romans.

Thats according to my friend Uzi L. so it could be incorrect info.One thing I did pick up from him is that Sephardics do not particularly care for Askenazis for some reason or another.

[Mari333]

11. thanks

[barbtries]

14. i always heard

that the ashkenazi considered the sephardim lower class. if memory serves. maybe they just didn't like each other. we should all be so over that kinda crap by now though.

[Mari333]

18. looks like i have some studying to do LOL

[barbtries]

36. oh, yeah

this is 30 years ago now: my boyfriend and i had been together 3 months before he even told me he was jewish. i was so ignorant i went to the library and began reading. it's a rich history.

as an aside, i found this on the dnatribes FAQ page:
Q: Do my DNA Tribes results prove my membership in a certain ethnic group?

A: Your top matches are the places in our database where your DNA profile is most common. A match with a
particular ethnic or national population sample does not guarantee you or a recent ancestor (parent or grandparent,
for instance) are a member of that ethnic group. However, a match does indicate a population where your
combination of ancestry is common, which is most often due to shared ancestry with that population.

For instance, an African-American might match populations from Cape Verde (an island nation off the coast of West
Africa) or Belem, Brazil. Like African-Americans, each of these populations is descended from a recent blending of
Europeans and Africans. A Global Population match with either of these populations could be due a similar
blending of African and European ancestors. Likewise, a match with a population of Caucasians in Indiana, U.S.A.
does not necessarily indicate your ancestors came from Indiana, but instead indicates your blend of genetic
ancestry is present within that population.

Nevertheless, DNA Tribes matches reflect a rigorous comparison to living populations as they exist today. Although
results do not always relate directly to particular genealogical events, all match results reflect the genetic relations
of individuals to the complex texture of actual world populations. For instance, a small fraction of European
individuals inherit a DNA profile that is most frequent in India. Indian affiliation is most common in Roma (Gypsy)
populations, but can be also found in non-Roma populations throughout Europe, and especially the Mediterranean.
(More details available in our global survey of world populations). While this result does not necessarily indicate a
great-grandparent from India, it does reflect the small but significant overlap between some individuals in
European and Indian populations.

did they include a written analysis of your results/ i'm still searching the site to find out how much it costs and see if i really want to do this. i think i do.

[Mari333]

44. they literally used the word ashkenazi

and showed the graph of it..it was the largest graph of all, ashkenazi...larger then all the other groups combined..its really amazing..i had to rush to look up ashkenazi and thats when my mouth dropped open....they send the results in a pdf file

[barbtries]

51. i've been browsing their site

and looking at the sample reports. mazeltov :)

[aquart]

40. Two Jews and a typewriter equals five political parties.

We wouldn't be Jewish if we didn't disagree.

[aquart]

43. The Sephardim were kicked out of Spain in 1492.

<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Sephardim.html>

Sephardim means Spanish Jews. Where else would we get a name like Shapiro?

[fla nocount]

22. Actually, it's the other way around.

It's the European descendants of the Khazars that shun the Sephardi and for the strangest of reasons, they're native.

[aquart]

45. Lotta theories about the Khazars.

[rockymountaindem]

54. Most Jews are *not* descendant's of Khazars

Most scholars believe that only the noble classes and other assorted wealthy people who wished to be like them converted to Judaism. Their presence in the overall history of Judaism is very small. The vast majority of European Jews are not descended from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Alleged_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazim

[sufrommich]

12. That is so cool. How did you get this done and how much

does it cost? I want to do it!

[Mari333]

16. it was 200 dollars i did it a few months ago

at dnatribes.com . i did it as a lark. i dont take this stuff too seriously. i expected to see tribes from france, and a small percentage is there..and from eastern europe..a few..but when i saw that the largest and most huge amount was ashkenazi i was amazed..and then the second highest is from afghanistan and some from kuwait..but the analysis showed a HUGE pop. of ashkenazi as the biggest tribe..
i am glad i did it. even if it was for fun.

[AngryAmish]

20. One of the highest IQ (on average) for any ethnic group!

now if you can find a nice girl/guy from Hong Kong, then you will most likely have real smart kids!

[Mari333]

24. !!!! wow. where did you find that

too late!! my eggs all croaked at 50 yrs old. lol.

[AngryAmish]

27. Here is an article from Slate

It is well known and uncontroversial. Well maybe controversial to people who are totallyuncomfortable with the subject matter. It is like remarking that Danes are tall.

[aquart]

46. We made our smart guys marry early.

Christian smart guys became monks for centuries so what do you expect?

[walldude]

53. This is a cool idea

but I can't see sending my DNA to a company that keeps it for 6 months after the processing is done. You have no idea who they are sharing it with.