With all due respect, this is why religion is such a thorn in the

[cboy4]

side for gay people.

I mean, there's just no getting around the fact that organized religion is responsible for the shameful practice of forcing LGBT people to beg for rights.

This is not meant to ignite another Catholic wars-type thread .. because in fact, it's the Evangelicals who are by far, the worst of the worst.

Yea, Republicans as a whole are also responsible, but they're pushed that way due to organized religion. No question about it. :thumbsdown:

Prop 8 - Death Knell for GOP?

Posted by: OneEyeKing

Proposition 8 drew its strongest support from evangelical Christians and older, white, male Republicans, according to a December, 2008 survey released by the non-partisan Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) with funding from The James Irvine Foundation.

The survey ("Proposition 8: Just the Facts") also disclosed that opposition to Prop 8 was greatest among better-educated, affluent, younger voters.

Unfortunately for the future prospects of the GOP, gay issues have now become a major defining aspect of Republicanism, as demonstrated by support for Prop 8:

* Evangelical or born-again Christians (85%) were far more likely than others (42%) to vote yes.

* Three in four Republicans (77%) voted yes, two in three Democrats (65%) voted no, and independents were more closely divided (52% yes, 48% no).

* Supporters of Republican presidential candidate John McCain were far more likely than those who backed President-elect Barack Obama to vote yes on 8 (85% vs. 30%).

* Voters without a college degree (62%) were far more likely than college graduates (43%) to vote yes.

The future of the GOP is in trouble if homophobia is seen as one of very few issues that reinforces the essential identity of the party as (2) old (2)white (3)male(4)poorly-educated and (5)obsessively religious.

There may be a place for such a party in American politics, but it is highly unlikely that it will ever gain political ascendancy.

http://www.edhtelegraph.com/detail/100666.html


PROPOSITION 8
DECEMBER 2008

REPUBLICANS STRONGLY SUPPORT PROPOSITION 8. Proposition 8 was a highly partisan issue, with three in four Republicans (77%) voting yes and two in three Democrats (65%) voting no. Independents were more divided (52% yes, 48% no). There were also sharp differences between supporters of Barack Obama and John McCain. Obama supporters (30%) were much less likely than McCain supporters (85%) to vote yes on Proposition 8. Support for this ban on same‐sex marriage was far greater among conservatives than liberals.

SUPPORT OF PROPOSITION 8 STRONGLY TIED TO RELIGION. Proposition 8 found strong support among voters who self identify as evangelical or born‐again Christians. Evangelicals (85%) were far more likely than others (42%) to have voted yes. Proposition 8 also enjoyed strong support among Catholics (60% yes) and among Protestants (66% yes). Voters stating that they have no religion were strongly opposed to Proposition 8 (79% no). :wow:


http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/jtf/JTF_Prop8JTF.pdf

[UnrepentantUnitarian]

1. Not all religion, of course...

Let's not forget that some of us have a far different idea of how to "do religion." There's a good YouTube of Unitarian Universalist convictions in regard to marriage equality here;

http://faithofthefree.informe.com/forum/uu-s-rally-for-human-equality-in-marriage-dt1693.html

[JNelson6563]

2. I am glad to be free of religion

No having to dedact parts of any "holy book" to fit my chosen beliefs, no mental gymnastics to make it all fit into some "enlightened" mindset, no taking life for granted or accepting misery because of the pormised afterlife. Just free to live life and do what I can for the greater good.

Sad that's just not enough for so many.

Julie