These repubic motherfuckers want the car loan to force LOWER WAGES

[Stinky The Clown]

The MOTHERFUCKING repubic assholes want any loan approval to bering UAW wages down to the level of their lovingly subsidized 'transplants' in their lovingly cultivated RIGHT TO WORK states.

They want the UNIONS to give back what they worked for.

Are you Big Three haters happy now?

You hearing this?

LOWER WAGES equals a BUSTED UNION.

ARE YOU FUCKING HAPPY???????????

[HelenWheels]

1. I'm not happy

because I don't want the unions to be busted. The problem with concessions is when the company recovers those that gave concessions aren't given any consideration.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

2. Why do Republicans want Americans to do without?

No health care. No decent vacations. No retirement. No dental care. Etc. Why?

[FiveGoodMen]

6. The puke party's main goal is the return of slavery

They know they probably can't get a whole race to be declared as property again, but if they set things up just right they can still live like masters and get all the dirty work done practically for free.

[valerief]

8. Because when they give, they feel like they're doing without. Giving is bad in their mindset. nt

[blondeatlast]

15. Y'know, given the Repubs I know (sadly, more than a handful), that explains

exactly how they see things.

"Giving" in their eyes means "giving UP something" and there's no way of convincing tehm otherwise.

[Selatius]

10. When I was a child, I was taught that the Republican Party was the party of business.

The Democratic Party was the party of labor. The lines between the two have blurred in recent decades, especially with this fad called neoliberalism, but the essential point with the Republican Party that you should remember is that it represents the interests of those who hold the most wealth in the US as well as everybody who follows them, such as the uninformed or even the willfully ignorant who are blinded by free market ideology.

[LeftishBrit]

12. Probably pretty much the same sort of reasons...

as Thatcher wanted us to do without them, as much as our system would permit. No such thing as society. Unions are Bad. People will only work hard if they feel threatened. Who cares about preserving industry (it just encourages unions!); all that matters are the banks, the service industries and Big Money,

Add the Christian Right's religious fervour to the mix and you get some REAL insanity

[NEOBuckeye]

34. They are greedy assholes who hate people. n/t

[nc4bo]

3. Fuckers! I just heard that and posted in another bailout thread. Unbelieveable. nt

[lapfog_1]

4. restructuring. Code word for "no more UAW". - n/t

[MiniMe]

9. Add to that, Fuck the retirees

If they break the union, they can get out of their pension obligations.

[BOSSHOG]

5. The Family Values Patriotic Crowd

wants lower wages, lower pensions, less health care (for workers and their families.) And they have developed quite an affinity for foreign made vehicles. Yo Husbs dontcha just love conservative values?

I've yet to get a patriotic conservative to answer this question: If the unions, which have been around for a long long time, are responisible for the demise of the auto industry why did it not go out of business a long time ago?

[Raschel]

11. Family values idiots is what they are. They don't think somebody who tears their body up

deserves to be paid the wages that autoworkers are paid, but they think frickin' Joe the fake plumber/scammer/delinquent taxpayer and Sarah the idiot/ripping off the taxpayer Palin should make zillions and nobody should say a word.

"Class envy!" they scream.

Why is it okay for them to envy the autoworker so?

Frickin' stupid hypocritical morons.

[Raschel]

7. They're haters alright. And too stupid to realize they're screwing themselves.

They probably won't even get it after their own wages are lowered. Idiots.

[Occam Bandage]

13. Workers for a bankrupt company might see a wage decline? I'm shocked.

That is to say, I'm shocked that anyone would act surprised. UAW workers are not, despite what they insist, any more immune to market pressure than (say) airline workers are.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Yanno ..... I've just noticed oyu in these car threads. You're a Nader guy, right?

Cuz if you're not, you're pretty off the wall. At least coping to being a Nader Hater makes your drivel understandable.

[EFerrari]

17. (Pssst -- Nader is pro-Unions.) n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

19. Pssst .... Nader is NntiAmericanCarMaker

Also, he's a fringe nut case.

[EFerrari]

21. Then I don't get it. I thought your thread was in defense of unions

not a defense of car makers (that would be management) or another tired attack on Nader. Looks like I was wrong. :)

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Bankrupting the car makers busts the unions

Maybe that wasn't so clear?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

24. Whatever. I agree with you. The Republics and others who shall remain nameless

are looking to kill the union.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

25. Yes, that must be why congressional Republicans opposed the Wall Street bailout.

Wanted to bust all those Wall Street unions.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. You know.

It is possible for them to oppose 2 different bailouts for 2 different reasons. GOP congresspukes "opposed" the Wall Street bailout in a last ditch effort to score political points back home and save their miserable hides. Now they are opposing the bailout because they want to destroy the union.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. In theory but, from what I hear, not in practice.

I know a person who used to work for him and he told me that Nader crushed every attempt by his employees to unionize. Apparently, he was a real dick to work for.

[Occam Bandage]

20. You haven't done a very good job of "noticing me," then. nt

[Romulox]

32. He's like GD:P's version of RGBolen. nt

[Hell Hath No Fury]

38. OK, that was funny!

:D

[leftstreet]

41. OMG You funneh!

:spray:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. Shockingly, they made a huge wage concession 2 years ago.

Newer employees start at half what the older ones did. But I'm sure you knew that already.

[Occam Bandage]

39. "They" meaning "not them."

They voted a pay cut for their future co-workers, not for themselves. It's a common game--sell out the next generation so you don't have to sacrifice yourself.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

43. Oh I see. You want to finish the job.

Cut all their pay!

[Occam Bandage]

44. No. I think that the best solution is something like this:

-An immediate pay cut of 20%, with a pay hike of 6% of the current wage level added over each of the next five years. This is, you will note, a net 10% raise.

-Government takes over their health care, treating UAW workers as if they were Federal employees. Single-payer for all Americans within 4 years.

-Current pensions are untouched. Retirement age for future pensioners raised to 65.

[liberalpragmatist]

36. Blaming the unions is grandstanding, pure and simple

Yes, auto wages and benefits will probably have to come down. And guess what: the UAW and most of the employees know this! They have been VERY flexible and have already pledged major concessions.

Yet the corporate lackeys don't care. To them, it's not that everyone - yes, the unions but management too - has to make concessions, but rather that ONLY the unions have to make concessions. And not just "some" concessions. They want the unions and the workers to roll over and lose everything.

[Occam Bandage]

40. I'm certainly not "blaming the unions."

I entirely agree with your first paragraph. The second is mostly true, but a bit hyperbolic.

[liberalpragmatist]

45. It's not hyperbole

And no, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about people like Sens. Corker and Demint -- the GOP senators who are killing the bailout unless the auto companies drastically reduce wages and dismantle the unions.

I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that that's their agenda. I'm not a screaming ideologue, nor am I blind to the fact that the unions have, historically, had flaws as well, but in the current climate, their getting an awful lot of shit that they don't deserve.

[spindrifter]

14. If they screw up the bridge loan they

take the blame for every man and woman in the country who loses their job. I will blame them for all of it. And they can rot in their complacency.

[spanone]

18. i heard jon kyle say that very thing this am....

he said 'if they go into bankruptcy, they will get the CONCESSIONS they need' you don't have to say it any clearer than that.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. Oh, well.

I'm sure UAW wages will be great when GM is bankrupt.

[nichomachus]

26. That's why any bailout has to

include provisions that actually protect the workers. You can't just hand money to the Big Three CEOs and assume it's going to save jobs, wages, or benefits. We saw that with the bank bailout. The CEOs will just stuff a couple of billion in their shorts, waste the rest, and then lay off hundreds of thousands of people.

We need to give them the money -- but we need to give labor a majority position on the board of directors, limit CEO salaries and other forms of compensation of $1 million a year, and set a timetable for producing fuel-efficient vehicles, with clear measurements for compliance.

If they went to the bank for a loan, the bank would demand a rock-solid business plan. If they went to a venture capitalist, the VC would demand a business pland AND a 51 percent share of the company. We should expect no less -- and should have done the same the with banks. I was against that handout too, as long as there were no safeguards in place.

[Sebass1271]

why DO REPUBS HATE AMERICA?

[Sebass1271]

27. why DO REPUBS HATE AMERICA?

[Festivito]

28. CEO wages are too low, and we need to reward investors more.

We could pay CEOs more. Really though, we should pay investors more and reduce taxes on people who collect money from investments.

Thank you for listening.

I hope you can clean the vomit off your screen.

[booksenkatz]

33. Alabama wages. No thanks. NT

[TheKentuckian]

35. Republiscum hate America, hate workers, and want widespread poverty

Imagine a whole planet of wage slaves. That's the dream of these wastes of skin and air.

[Raschel]

46. And they're stupid enough to think that the povery will stop at them. They're speshul you know.

[craz3z]

37. Yes, and...

These are the same idiots who say that raising taxes on rich people during a recession is not a good idea. I would like to hear them explain why they think cutting the wages of the middle class and destroying jobs is a better one.

[Mike 03]

42. This is what I heard today too. It was appalling.

I was hoping for much fairer, more sophisticated arguments from those opposed to the bail out as it is written.

I would love to know why the 20 or so Dems who voted against it did so (in Congress). I am certain it was not because of the union people.

The UAW is not the problem. I could say much more about this, but I'm just disgusted.