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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:44 PM
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Scowcroft, Gates, Jones: Go Slow on Iraq
from The Nation: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/389437/scowcroft_gates_jones_go_slow_on_iraq?rel=hp_blogs_box


WHEN it comes to predictions about Obama's Iraq policy, we can discount the supercilious Rush Limbaugh, who "predicted in a speech last week that Democrats will back down from their pledge to rapidly withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq." But it's harder to ignore what Brent Scowcroft, Robert Gates, and James Jones are saying.

Let's start with Scowcroft. The ultimate Republican realist, who distinguished himself in 2002 by writing a Wall Street Journal op-ed saying bluntly that the United States should not attack Iraq, has had Obama's ear on national security matters for a while now. In a speech at the end of October, Scowcroft laid down a marker on Iraq, supporting limited troop withdrawals but urging caution -- exactly the sort of caution that will be urged on Obama from Gates and the generals: http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2008/ioi/081203-scowcroft-auspc.html

Progress is being made. But it's a very fragile process. ... And it's getting to that point now that I think it is reversible, and so I think while the U.S. can probably begin to reduce some troops as the security situation improves, we have to be very careful about pulling out before we have a situation there that is clearly able to be sustained by the local system. And therefore, I would caution against a withdrawal of the United States according to a calendar, rather than according to the situation on the ground.

In today's Post, Gates is quoted by George Will along similar lines, suggesting that the United States will need to keep 40,000 troops in Iraq "for decades": http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/10/AR2008121002949.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Regarding Iraq, Gates is parsimonious with his confidence, noting that "the multisectarian democracy has not sunk very deep roots yet." He stresses, however, that there is bipartisan congressional support for "a long-term residual presence" of perhaps 40,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, and that the president-elect's recent statements have not precluded that. Such a presence "for decades" has, he says, followed major U.S. military operations since 1945, other than in Vietnam. And he says, "Look at how long Britain has had troops in Cyprus."

General Jones, who will be Obama's national security adviser, is reportedly well in tune with Gates and General Petraeus, the Centcom commander. He' s been generally cautious on Iraq, where the one important thing he's done is to run a commission charged with examining the Iraqi security forces in 2007, and which made some news by calling for the disbanding of the corrupt and death squad-infiltrated Iraqi police.

But as the Los Angeles Times reported, Jones hasn't been on the same page as Obama when it comes to Iraq: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-security30-2008nov30,0,2766441.story

Jones has separated himself from the Obama playbook on a few issues. In 2007, he warned that setting an arbitrary deadline for removing U.S. troops from Iraq, which would presumably include Obama's campaign call to remove combat units in 16 months, would be "against our national interest."

Appearing on "Meet the Press" with the late Tim Russert at the time of the commission's report, Jones suggested that the United States might be in Iraq for at least three to four years. Here's an excerpt: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20676549

MR. RUSSERT: General Jones, you're known as a straight shooter. Just separate all the garbage away for the American people. What should they be thinking about Iraq? That we're going to need to be there for three, four, five years in order to secure the country?

GEN. JONES: Well, I--it may be that it'll take that long a period of time in, in order to do that. But that doesn't mean that, that, that there'll be--the level of fighting will be, will be the same.

MR. RUSSERT: Or the level of troops.

GEN. JONES: Or the level of troops. We are still in the Balkans, for example. The Balkans are relatively peaceful. So we'll get to that point. Our point is that you can, you can accelerate that with political reconciliation. But the strategic interests of the United States in the region are very, very high.


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:14 PM
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1. US military deaths in Iraq at 4209
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 10:14 PM by bigtree
Frontline Testimonies: Winter Soldier Vets Portray the Reality of Combat



http://www.indypendent.org/2008/12/11/frontline-testimonies/
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:21 PM
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2. Ok
Just what EXACTLY are the US' strategic interests? We should have a clear and unambiguous declaration from the pentagon on that.

It should be totally public and transparent why we are there. After all the lies that got us there and have kept us there, the American people deserve nothing less than this.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:32 PM
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3. 'our interests'
Pres. elect Obama reaffirmed his promise to move “as quickly as we can do to maintain stability in Iraq, maintain the safety of U.S. troops, to provide a mechanism so that Iraq can start taking more responsibility as a sovereign responsibility for its own safety and security, ensuring that you don't see any resurgence of terrorism in Iraq that could threaten our interests.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16279_Page2.html
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:50 PM
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4. What are our interests?
I have paid attention to this matter from day one and I don't know what our interests are.

Bush tried to explain but he didn't do so well... it's time for the general to tell his bosses.. us... the answer.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:54 AM
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5. that's an open question
. . . we'll see what part of the occupation Obama ultimately defends, if at all, when he decides on his exit plan.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 01:54 AM
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6. By their statements it looks like there will be pressure for many troops to remain in Iraq.
How many private contractor militia will remain? There is already a big number of private contractors in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 02:04 AM
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7. Scowcroft, Gates & Jones, meet
Mr. President:
Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased.

President Obama and Vice-President Biden will press Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future and to substantially spend their oil revenues on their own reconstruction.

They will launch an aggressive diplomatic effort to reach a comprehensive compact on the stability of Iraq and the region. They also will address Iraq's refugee crisis.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/


Thursday, December 11, 2008
Obama: Reboot Image in Middle East

President-elect Barack Obama told the Chicago Tribune, "I think we've got a unique opportunity to reboot America's image around the world and also in the Muslim world in particular." He pledged an "unrelenting" wish to "create a relationship of mutual respect and partnership in countries and with peoples of good will who want their citizens and ours to prosper together."

Mutual respect is going to be measured by actions, and the American-supplied Israeli military equipment being deployed against Palestinian civilians sends the opposite signal. Obama is getting some high-level advice in this regard: Nobel peace prize winner and former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari said in his acceptance speech on Wednesday, "I do hope that the new president of the United States, who will be sworn in next month, will give high priority to the Middle East conflict during his first year in office . . ." underlining that "The tensions and wars in the region have been going on for so long that many have come to believe that the Middle East knot can never be untied - I do not share this belief."
http://www.juancole.com/2008/12/nobelist-calls-on-obama-to-plunge-into.html
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WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama’s aides say he is considering making a major foreign policy speech from an Islamic capital during his first 100 days in office.
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