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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:34 PM
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How many layoffs are acceptable to you to?
How many lost jobs are you willing to tolerate?

How many divorces and suicides and broken families and hungry kids will you accept?

How many people thrown out of their houses or apartments will be okay with you?

How may people trying to waterproof the refrigerator carton they moved into will you find tolerable?

How many people going through your garbage looking for scraps will you allow before you shoo them away?




WILL YOU ACCEPT A LOSS OF *****YOUR****** JOB AND ALL THAT ENTAILS?????

Are you?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:35 PM
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1. some
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:37 PM
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4. Will YOU accept the pain directly?
The loss of everything you worked your life for?

Will **you** accept a complete loss of income for three years?

Will **you** tolerate becoming chronically homeless and unwashed to effect your apocalyptic change?

Not the royal you ...... YOU.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:42 PM
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10. ok
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:10 PM
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19. Are you going to give up your job to help someone else?
How about supporting nonprofitable companies to hold on to every job. I don't understand how you will make sure all people have great jobs in a booming economy?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:36 PM
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2. This sounds like what we heard before the bank bailout.
I'm not sure who you are referring to in the OP, but it sounds like what we heard before the bank bailout was rammed down our throats. The bailout passed and these things happened anyway.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:37 PM
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3. The ONLY layoffs that would be acceptable to me ...
The top-tier management: CEO's, COO's and their ilk.

The workers: No layoffs are acceptable.

Period.

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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:40 PM
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7. Took the words right outta my mouth Peggy.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 04:41 PM by bushwentawol
I was about ready to say just that.

edit: plus garnish all the golden parachutes of managers of companies who've been run into the ground.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:41 PM
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9. Thanks, my dear bushwentawol...
GMTA!

:hi:
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:46 PM
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12. GMTA?
Georgia Motor Trucking Association?

Ok if you say so. :P


:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:48 PM
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13. LOL!
No, silly!

Great Minds Think Alike!

:P
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:39 PM
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5. Your post needs to be emailed to every Republican opposed to the auto loans
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:40 PM
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6. None
but then I'm for socializing the corporations and retooling them to meet the needs of the people and making it a government priority that there are jobs for everyone. Capitalism has failed, just as Communism failed. Time to give socialism a try.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:41 PM
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8. We saw a poll on the local news channel last night
Forty percent would be willing to take a pay reduction to save someone else's job.

Sixty percent WOULD NOT.

This isn't a case of "gosh, I need that new Xbox 360/to spend Friday night dropping $150 on dinner/bla bla bla". This is the fact that people are so stupid and short-sighted that they don't care if someone else is in the most desperate financial straits, as long as they can keep "theirs". The holiday season will cover a lot of the desperation. After all, we'll get a lot of the warm fuzzy "donation" stories. I see nothing but grief after the first of the year, though, as people figure out their lives aren't going to be all that, ever again.

And yes, we're one of the families that are out of work. We would have HAPPILY taken a 10% cut if it meant that the 45 people who've now been laid off DH's former work were still employed.

Julie
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:44 PM
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11. ..
:hug:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:50 PM
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15. I think that 60% are the working poor who can't afford another pay cut.
I'm on the cliff and have been there for most of my adult life.. Thank God I graduated the same yr Bush took office. If someone told me to take a pay cut, I don't know what else I could give up.. For sure I would lose the house or a car.. and then getting to a job would be ridiculously hard. Perhaps 60% of us are working poor who just don't know how to make any more pennies stretch.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:31 PM
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17. We live in one of the most affluent areas of the country
Most of those 60% probably work at the largest software company in the world, and are worried it'll cut into their bonuses.

Julie
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:14 PM
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21. Oh, well I don't know how much more I could cut.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:52 PM
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24. glowing, I'm not blaming you, but I do have a question
What if the shoe were on the other foot? What if others went without 10% so you could keep your job?

Julie
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:09 PM
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27. I would love them. If I was in a position that I wasn't already 2 wks behind
on mortgage and car payments, I would gladly help even more. In order for me to give, I need some help too.. perhaps a healthcare system that works.. then I'd be able to help.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:49 PM
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14. I've had to learn to accept
my own lay-off (December 2002) and subsequent inability to secure comparable employment. I don't wish that experience on anyone else. But, frankly, I could care less what happens to every asshole who has in someway judged me a failure for the decision of others or thought themselves superior to me. Karma can be a bitch and I suspect it is payback time for some of these folks. Oh, well.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:51 PM
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16. If a company needs to lay people off,
they really need to look at their overpaid CEOs and VPs.

My husband is being laid off while his CEO rakes in $5 million/year. How many jobs could have been saved by giving the CEO a pay cut of, say, $4 million? :grr:

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:08 PM
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18. What is your plan to save every job and every company?
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:11 PM
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20. Husb2Sparkly, I usually love your posts. Today you seem to be in a strange space.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 06:12 PM by Mike 03

I'm sorry, I am not sure who this post is directed to, or what you are trying to say.

Layoffs are going to happen, not because anybody here is "evil" or wants it, but because the global economy is an experiencing a contraction due to the excessive liquidity and reckless spending, credit and debt we have partipated in over the past decade. And there are dozens of related factors too, such as Federal Reserve Policy, mistakes in currency valuation, Wall Street Greed, homebuyer ignorance and wishful thinking.

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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:14 PM
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22. Been there, done that, three times.
And I will tell you, it is the greatest test of our marriage that we've ever been through.
And we made it.
So now, when we hit some kind of a rough patch, we just remember those days.
If we made it through that, we can make it through anything.
It's true.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:21 PM
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23. well, i've already lost *my* housing sector job.
and fuck refrigerator cartons, i've got a bridge all picked out for when i'm homeless! :P
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:53 PM
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25. How many people are working for the RNC? GOP-related "think" tanks? n/t
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:55 PM
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26. I can tolerate 219 layoffs...
178 in the House, and 41 in the Senate.
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