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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:47 PM
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Will Union-busting drag White-collar wages down too? nt
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:49 PM
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1. Yes.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:49 PM
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2. Yes.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:50 PM
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3. Yep, Though Most White Collar Americans Don't Seem To
know it.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:51 PM
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4. Yes. Higher wages for union members raise standards for everyone.
And the opposite is true.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:53 PM
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5. I'm going to look for the stats that say this. I know some folks who could use this info. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:53 PM
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6. All wages for "non-bosses" are in a death-spiral
union or otherwise.. Unions have buckled under the pressure, and many, if not most have already adopted "tiering", and have accepted layoffs as routine.

Companies that are/were union, routinely "sell-out" to non-union entities..

Cutbacks throughout business & industry, allows white-collars to be devalued/outsourced/laid off all the time..

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:03 PM
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7. I'm almost 60 years old and making HALF of what I was making in 2001
and this is probably the most I can expect to make for the rest of my working life.

Fortunately I LOVE my job, but I'd be an idiot not to recognize the concrete value that I have personally added to a position in which mediocrity was recognized as the status-quo. Business will profit HUGELY from highly skilled, experienced and qualified Boomers getting poorer.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:06 PM
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8. Yeah - wages will go down for everyone except the robber barons
History repeats itself. We'll go back to more like it was in pre-union days. Not as bad I imagine as we have child labor laws and what-not, though there have been attacks at overtime pay too. Anyway, that's the direction we're headed in.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:19 PM
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9. It's called, "The Spillover Effect"
Edited on Sat Dec-13-08 03:22 PM by BeatleBoot
What Unions have gained for workers always spills over to non-Union jobs.

COLA, the weekend off, all have been due to organized labor's blood sweat and tears.

Non-Union jobs have received those benefits as well, due to the "Spill Over Effect".

The opposite is true, too.

Man, I wrote a term paper about this as an undergraduate. Heavy memories.








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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:38 PM
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10. It always does nt
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:51 PM
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11. White collar jobs get union-busted too. Teachers, editors, writers, secretaries...
My old union consisted university administrative assistants (won a union fight), editors for a publishing company (got stuck with an open shop and make, like, $14 an hour bad/no benefits in NYC), university teaching assistants who lost the right to unionize and now face the rollback to $8-9K per year no benefits instead of $20K+ benefits (everything from research lab assistants to graders to full instructors who happen to be taking college courses)

We're all in this together. The union-busting in blue-collar work effects white collar workers in direct ways (less union support, lower wages for all) and indirect ways (management devises new, more brazen union-busting tactics).
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 04:09 PM
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12. Of course it will.
It may even come to effect the incomes of some republican Senators.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 04:13 PM
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13. Yes, it always does.
One of the ways employers kept white collar workers from defecting to the ranks of blue collar, union paid jobs, was to pay them decent wages. When blue collar is making McDonald's wages, white collar workers will follow.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 04:20 PM
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14. Along with union busting, the Trade Policies have not worked as
predicted.

We are in a wave of job dislocations. These dislocations will affect
all levels including Professionals.

40,000,000 job dislocations as wages adapt to more equal status around the world.

US Workers make highest salaries. China --how low can you go.

Fasten your seatbelts for a rocky ride.
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