That Iraqi "Throwing Shoe" was a Stunt...disgusting to whip up the Repug Base...

[KoKo]

I just saw CNN replay it over and over and it's obvious Bush was alerted it was coming because his laughing face and "dodge" at just the right time reveals it all.

Some DU'ers may remember that "Bull Horn Moment" at 9/11 site where he stood next to the perfect picture of NY Fire Department (perfect Irish Face that fireman had) and he said "I HEAR YA."

Same stunt...and Drudge the RW/Politico/Washington Times/Faux News/Drudge and the rest will have orgasm over poor President who "freed those poor Iraqi's" got NO RESPECT!

STUNT/CRAP/STAGED disgusting. Look at the laugh on his face...and the media is saying "Fairwell you Dog" is what the Iraqi said. CNN replayed it over and over and spent alot of time showing the wrestling of the Iraqi down.

Chimpy seemed to know that it was a "Size 10 Shoe" and little Dana Perino got a microphone shoved in her face.

:puke: on these DAMNED PROPAGANDISTS....When can they be exposed and prosecuted for these STUNTS!

ON EDIT: You think anyone with any "grudge or grievance" against Bush would ever get into a PRESSER with him? You think his security in Iraq would allow this. FGS! He still has to fly into Iraq in SECRET...what does that tell you about this guy "with grievance" getting in to "throw a shoe."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Oh, bullshit. Of course it wasn't staged.

[Faygo Kid]

12. Agreed. It's the perfect metaphor for the end of the Bush era, though.

Iraq and wrecking the economy will be what he is remembered for, as Worst President Ever. Plenty more reasons, but those two will likely predominate. He thinks he "won" in Iraq. To have his last visit there remembered for ducking shoes is just great. A perfect metaphor. The OP is 180 degrees wrong. This wasn't staged. This was a moment in history.

[KoKo]

19. I assume you forgot the "sarcasm" thingy?

If you don't know by now that NO ONE GETS NEAR BUSH then you are very innocent. :shrug:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. It was a press conference. The thrower is a journalist.

He was in the room with a bunch of other journalists, actually farther away from Bush than many of the others; from the tape it looked like he was at least 20 feet away. I'm assuming everyone in the room was screened and searched for weapons, but were allowed to keep their shoes. Shoes are not weapons, but in Islamic cultures they are used to express disgust and disdain. This particular journalist had been kidnapped and beaten, as had some of his friends and family. What happened was not surprising under the circumstances, but it was certainly not staged. I'm not the "innocent" one here.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

2. You do know the thrower had been kidnapped and tortured as a journalist covering in Iraq?

Is the news media telling that part of the story? Whom the thrower was?

[mucifer]

3. media is too lazy. they don't care about their nation.

[JackBeck]

5. ABC Nightly News just did.

And to top it all off, Bush just said the guy just wanted to get on TV. He doesn't know what guy's "beef" with him is.

[uppityperson]

11. Glad they mentioned it and maybe someone should tell mrbush what

his "beef" might be.

[KoKo]

34. Bush said (in the CNN Interview) "People give you hand signals and

only one finger is up." OMG! The Chimp just LOVES THIS! He Jacks Off to IT! :puke: Bush is always fighting evil. I'm amazed he didn't take "Caribou Barbie" on the trip. It would have made QUITE A PAIR!

[rvablue]

10. They said it ABC Nightly News. n/t

[Doremus]

4. That fireman he posed with. I think I heard he later got lung problems.

Does anyone know?

As far as the OP, I don't think the shoe OR the fireman was planned. I saw the fireman in an interview, btw, and he says no one was more surprised than he when the dunce asked him to stand there with him.

[TomInTib]

13. I think the guy had been retired for quite some time.

They dug him out of mothballs for the photo-op.

And I remember something about his lung problems.

[Doremus]

91. Pfft.

"On 9/11, he was 69, retired seven years. His family told him he was too old to report for duty. But he knew the father of a missing fireman, and three days after the attacks, he grabbed his old helmet and gear, drove into the city and talked his way into Ground Zero.

Then he heard the president was coming. For a look, he stood up on a fire engine that had been pulled from the wreckage. A man (Bush political adviser Karl Rove, Beckwith later learned) came over and asked him to jump up and down to see whether the firetruck was stable. Satisfied, he dusted off a spot next to Beckwith and told him a VIP was going to stand there; when he got up, Beckwith should get down. The VIP was Bush.

The fireman helped the president up and began to step down as instructed. But Bush said, "Where you goin'? ... Stay here."

Beckwith continues to support Bush and the president's pursuit of the war on terrorism: "I like the guy — he's a real man. ... I think he's doing a good job."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-07-sept11-then-now_x.htm

:puke:

[KoKo]

18. Firemen of that guy's age were Irish and his having lung problems later doesn't

mean he wasn't "set up." I have Irish Firemen in NYC as part of my family heritage. Many of them are patriotic to an extreme and vote Repug...and others would be very prone to being proud to volunteer for a photo op with their President after a major disaster when they'd lost so many of their own.

[ShortnFiery]

6. IF SO, it has to be the lamest attempt to prompt outrage from the freaks in the GOP. eom

[BeatleBoot]

7. Sometimes things are what they are

And he's laughing because he's a retard.

I'm sure Laura pulls the same stunt on a monthly basis and he probably laughs at her, too.

Couldn't disagree more on this one.

His Legacy is captured on video - from "those who greeted us as liberators."

Let the dingbats be.

Focus on our future and the impending economic Depression.

[KoKo]

14. Yeah...and like anyone could get near enough Bush with his Guards to throw

even a spitball. Dream on... You don't know this guy like many of us do.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. Really? You know him well? Better than the rest of us? Do tell...

[KoKo]

74. How well do YOU know him...saying I know him less than the "rest of us" Who is the "rest of us?"

Sheesh...you aren't even trying to pretend, are you.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

78. Oh, heck, I've known the guy for years. Used to have a beer with him.

And he told me, personally, that he would never have set up a situation where a guy threw a a couple of shoes at his head. Especially a guy with such a good arm. George used to own a baseball team, and he knows a good arm when he sees one. He also told me should have hired the guy for the Rangers.

:rofl:

Say, aren't you the one who has a problem with racist penguins?

[book_worm]

48. "you don't know this guy like many of us do" so far most people on this thread

think you are dead wrong on this, but I have to hand it to you--it doesn't stop you from being sarcastic to everyone who disagrees with you.

[IMPERIUM V]

50. The US government is neither all-knowing nor all-powerful. I'm sorry you find that so worrying.

[mondo joe]

57. Every reporter there probably wore 2 shoes.

Same as any press conference.

[Jamastiene]

29. That is probably how he got so good at ducking; lots of practice.

"I'm sure Laura pulls the same stunt on a monthly basis and he probably laughs at her, too."

[sniffa]

8. Really?

I mean, really.

:rofl:

[stillcool]

9. It seems throwing shoes..

is a major insult in the Arab cultures. Something about the person getting the shoe thrown at them being beneath them...the lowest of the low.

[Faygo Kid]

15. Right. Also called Bush a "dog," also the ultimate insult.

We love them here, but the Arab world feels differently.

[KoKo]

16. Shoes are dirty and are kept out of homes of many cultures...Japan

being the first that would have come to mind...but yes in other cultures..

[FrenchieCat]

17. If the media is not upset at Obama being called a motherfucker.

for refusing to pay to play,

I'm not sure why shoee thrown at Bush for taking us into a war based on lies,
would generate a stronger reaction from reporters.

[KoKo]

20. But, you contradict yourself. The "whore media" is all over this story like flies to honey!

Maybe you are one of our DU'ers who doesn't have a TeeVee or cable. Then you wouldn't know and are forgiven for your clueless comment.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Well, I haven't much watching the TV, but you did state in your op....

Drudge the RW/Politico/Washington Times/Faux News/Drudge and the rest will have orgasm over poor President who "freed those poor Iraqi's" got NO RESPECT!

So you are telling me that the media will have an orgasm about poor President Bush not getting any respect....meanwhile, our President is called a motherf*cker, and the same media seems to not care about Respect....Instead, they seem to want to intimate that Obama possibly did something untoward in reference to the Blago Scandal.

How am I contradicting myself? :shrug:

[KoKo]

38. IOWD's, Frenchy... It's that Hypocrisy THINGY....

It Outs them all the time...every tim

[FrenchieCat]

62. What does IOWD's mean anyways?

I'm stumped. :shrug:

[uppityperson]

65. International Organization for Women and Development, Inc

http://www.nigerfistula.org/
Not sure what that has to do with the media covering mrbush getting a shoe thrown at him yet ignoring Obama being called an insult.

[sufrommich]

22. Yes, no doubt Bush felt that positioning an angry Iraqi

in the audience and then having him throw shoes at the president's head would once and for all shut up his critics who are constantly suggesting that the Iraqis really don't consider him a liberator.That's the ticket. :crazy:

[KoKo]

30. Indeed..."The Ticket."

It's what their Propaganda Team has done the best through this long turmoil we Americans have lived under.

[sufrommich]

33. The rest of the world does not react according to the

whims of the American president. To imagine this was all planned by the Bush administration is beyond ridiculous.Although,you'll no doubt be the star of freeper sites for this OP.

[superduperfarleft]

24. /facepalm n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

26. It has certainly gotten everyone to stop talking about how the GOP South screwed carmakers. n/t

[KoKo]

32. And, that's a great point. How our Media in League with Bush/Cheney Manipulate us Over and Over

and even with that there are some willing to still give that CRIMINAL and his HONCHO's a BREAK! :puke: on them all!

[ColbertWatcher]

39. Don't get me wrong, I think the pictures of Dumbya ducking are classic!

But, we seem to forget so easily what yesterday's big story was and the GOP-controlled media manipulates us and we happily follow along.

[KoKo]

49. That's a BIG PART of my point...MANIPULATION BY MEDIA...sorry to Shout...

but, I ofentimes wonder how folks on DU don't get something unless one puts in a few "FUCK YOU's" into the Subject Line...so that means one belongs to "LE CLUB."

[ColbertWatcher]

52. I think the tendency on message boards/forums (what have you) is to ...

... latch on the joke first.

If the underlying message is not crystal clear and/or OBVIOUS it may get lost in the subsequent replies piling on the joke bandwagon.

[ColbertWatcher]

60. Here, I made this for you ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4652218&mesg_id=4652218

[otohara]

27. The Iraqi's Don't Give A Shit About The GOP

but they do know who got them into this mess. Too bad Cheney wasn't there to get one of those shoes tossed at him.

[rvablue]

95. Your title post is all there is need to be said in re: to this OP. n/t

[Cleita]

28. Lots of conjecture here, but in that spirit, I also have another question.

What the f**k is he doing making a surprise visit to Iraq, this late in his term? We know he's stupid, but surely there are saner heads in the White House who would have objected to the preposterousness of it all?

[ColbertWatcher]

40. I was wondering how he was going to serve plastic to the troops this year. n/t

[KoKo]

42. What "the Media said" was it was his "Fairwell/Goodbye Tour" for Liberating them

and showing them how "Democracy Works."

Now, many of us would "gag" on that statement...but there are many who are proud of what they have done with Bush/Cheney in the cause for "Democracy and Freedom" all over the world.

I would say that those who are "proud" are members of the AEI, APIAC, HERITAGE, Hoover, CATO, Hudson Institutes and numerous other "bottom feeding," Right Wing or CIA Inspired Foundations" who applaud all that Bush/Cheney and going back to Bush I and Reagan and before that Ford and Nixon have done to "Keep America Save" from the "Pirates."

:puke: on all of them who have led to America's Downfall with their RIGID IDEOLOGY and MANIPULATION in COORDINATION with our FAILING FINANCIAL SYSTEM!

A POX ON THEIR HOUSES AND THE DEMS WHO ENABLED THEM! POX! :puke:

[DS1]

35. That's cuckoo

[KoKo]

51. Wondered when you'd "pipe up." What...you forgot your Penquin Post?

:eyes:

[sniffa]

54. Indeed

:rofl:

[TheCowsCameHome]

36. "Whip up the repug base"? Oh, yeah,

Like those aerators that constantly stir the shit tanks at the sewage treatment plants.

Now I get it.

[IMPERIUM V]

37. And you know what else was staged?

That's right...

[uppityperson]

66. aw, come on. You know that was Elvis. nt

[sufrommich]

70. lol. nt

[peacetalksforall]

41. I'm not sure about this sentence. I'm open on the rest. You said:

"I just saw CNN replay it over and over and it's obvious Bush was alerted it was coming because his laughing face and "dodge" at just the right time reveals it all."

I imagine what his prep schools, his Yale years, and perhaps even his Harvard years - and consider him sitting around in a campaign office or in his governor's office - all of it leads me to think that his entire life has been HORSING AROUND with school mates and friends. It was probably very important to save face in all those situations by pretending it's all in fun, but better to be on the offensive than the defensive. He has lived his life as a good joke.

I don't consider your first sentence as being alerted. He just practiced what he has done all his life - the the point that his jokes were terribly offensive. Honoring someone with a medal, then telling the person not to sell it on ebay. Low down uncouth stuff. He's always ready to play games - making upnicknames, smirking at someone who is pleading for their life.

He's an unmasterful jokester on strings.

So I don't agree with that one premise. He always had to be alert for that snap of the towel on his butt.

[KoKo]

45. Are you trying to say it was all "innocent" and it's just Bush the way Bush is?

A "clueless fraboy" who has no ability to be more than that? In other words you forgive him for what he has done as President...because he is just a "clueless, towell snapper?"

You GOTTA BE KIDDING! :eyes: Are you going to forgive his clueless, assinine behavior when his BROTHER, JEB manages to get the Repugs Re-Inventing HIS image as the "Brightest of all the Bush Brothers?"

When Jeb/Sarah win in 2012 by REINVENTING THE BUSH BRAND will you still be laughing over Chimpy's "Towell Snapping?"

[DS1]

55. the poster said nothing of the sort

like the OP, you've reached into loonyville and pulled out something special

[KoKo]

56. WOW! Check out this link to MSNBC and CNN and look at Glut of Bush/Shoe Stories/Video!

AMAZING! and only one site... If you Multiply that...it would come up to collusion...but I'm not saying... lol's

This one's from Michael Ware:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/14/bush.iraq/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail#cnnSTCVideo

AND, OTHERS:

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[sufrommich]

81. What is so surprising about the press reporting that some

guy tried to bean the president with his shoes twice? That isn't something you see everyday and it's on tape! When his Dad puked on the Japanese Prime Minister,they were all over that too.What was the big conspiracy behind that, in your opinion?

[peacetalksforall]

64. Are you kidding? How did you get that out of what I said - I simply said that

he is good at his give and take on a joking level, so he can have a quick comeback for a serious act. I just don't think it's necessarily true that it was staged. I don't forgive him anything. I can't tolerate his arrested development. I believe Cheney is the President and Bush is the front person, the face, and the fund raiser. Kidding around has been his forte, therefore coming back with a crack about the size of the shoe is just his modus operandi and doesn't prove that this was staged.

I despise that man and what he has done to millions of lives because of his decision to go along with the farce that he is a real President and all the evil he and Cheney have brought us on behalf of their barons.

He only knows four things well - loyalty-reward ... and ... betrayal-revenge. And he practically has to be told who has been loyal and who betrayed 'him/them'. Evil through and through.

I forgive him NOTHING!

[uppityperson]

68. Good lord you must get tired jumping to those conclusions.

No, that is not what that poster was saying.

[ColbertWatcher]

47. True, I don't exactly agree that this was all "planned" necessarily, but ...

... the GOP-controlled media is certainly conditioned to take advantage of every opportunity to portray every GOPer as a persecuted victim worthy of constant news coverage.

It worked for the GOP's benefit to ignore that memo that suddenly appeared late Friday showing that the GOP used their votes on the auto maker bridge loan bill to go after the UAW instead of helping working people.

Of course, that was yesterday, and the story (conveniently from the GOP-controlled media) is how Dumbya was almost hit by a shoe!

[thewiseguy]

43. IT WAS A ROVIAN TRAP!!!!!

[KoKo]

67. Welcome to DU...it's always good to see Newbies around. n/t

[WeDidIt]

44. They're using mind control chemicals springled on sidewalks and roads

but putting tinfoil over your shoes stops the ind control "salt".

[book_worm]

46. silliest post of the day award! Congrats.

[KoKo]

53. And how long since you did the "crossover." Kind of "seamless" was it?

:shrug:

[BostonMa]

80. Of the DAY?

[DainBramaged]

58. DU where something about nothing becomes something about nothing

:eyes:

[KoKo]

59. So how do YOU feel about the "Shoe Incident?" Tell us...so we know where you are coming from?

:shrug:

[DainBramaged]

61. Jump out of your ego and read the threads I've created today

It astonishes me you actually think that this moment, frozen in history, to highlight the stupidity of one of the most selfish, ignorant, and evil men of our lifetimes, was staged?


You have got to be kidding me.

[uppityperson]

69. it was the repugs that kidnapped and beat that reporter to provide a valid reason

for being angry enough to throw his shoes. See?

[DainBramaged]

72. Oh OK now I see, it was a plot to make Booshe look likr the tool he is

Got ya, OK, I'll make a note, you bet, OK.:rofl:

[uppityperson]

73. Good, glad we can clear that up. Koko, got this one covered!

[DainBramaged]

75. So, ya think Rove set this up? As a 'parting gift'?

:rofl:

[uppityperson]

77. I dunno, let me check back with OP since he/she thinks I'm his/her sock puppet

or some such above. Can't quite figure it out.

[KoKo]

76. you seem to have a very "thin skin" over this. Amazing when "Ignore" is your friend..

that you keep harping in "denial." What's with that? :shrug: Closed your ears and fingers stuck?

[uppityperson]

79. nonsense statement that switches mid-sentence and random "quotes"

your turn. emoticon.

[KoKo]

82. You know.....you could have very easily ignored this thread....but instead you chose

to disrupt to try to get into a situation where it would be locked as "unproductive."

It's very easy to "ignore"...you've been here long enough to know. :shrug:

[uppityperson]

84. It's a pain when people disagree isn't it? pain to be called someone's sock puppet also.

I disagree with you. And you call me your sock puppet. Yup, it is all my fault.

:nopity:

[KoKo]

87. Actually...you are now on MY Ignore.... cool thing that, isn't it... n/t

[uppityperson]

89. damn, that'll teach me to make you insult me. On ignore, again. woe

rolf emoticon

[Bluebear]

100. Try to pick up the shattered pieces of your life :)

[uppityperson]

101. Hi, I am trying, but it is difficult. Researching wtf they have done with al-Zaidi right now.

Iraqi tv said he had cracked ribs, broken hand, arm doesn't work, is in Camp Cropper. That'll teach him to exercise those freedums he's been given. Ungracious wretch.

[uppityperson]

63. kidnapped & tortured= "with a grievance"?

It did. It happened. They don't care about the "repug base" but hate mrbush for what he has done. He thought he could handle it and suddenly "snapped".

[spiritual_gunfighter]

71. Haha are you serious?

Do you wear a tin foil hat as well?

[Bluebear]

83. "disgusting to whip up the Repug Base" to do what, exactly? Boycott Payless?

[sufrommich]

85. laugh . out. loud . nt

[DainBramaged]

90. HAHAHAHAHA

:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Jamastiene]

97. You've done it again.

:spray:

You owe me a new keyboard.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

86. This is a thread of Epic Fail.

[DainBramaged]

88. I's like driving down the street and having people gesturing at you without all five fingers

GW Booshe, recipient of the first annual Iraqi shoe award.

[Richard Steele]

94. Yup. I can't put it any better than that. nm

[Nye Bevan]

92. If they were going to stage something

I would think they would have someone shower him with rose petals. Or have a small child "spontaneously" run up and kiss him for "liberating" her country. Or a "spur of the moment" standing ovation. Something like that. I don't think some guy hurling a shoe at him would be the first thing that would spring to mind.

[anigbrowl]

93. You are today's King or Queen (tick as appropriate) of DU Epic Fail

Edited for title. It struck me that W is actually today's King of general-purpose Epic Fail.

[dysfunctional press]

96. i just wish that the guy could have been a size 16 instead of a size 10...

he might have been able to make some contact.

[sniffa]

98. kick

[Bluebear]

103. =)

[VOX]

99. Why stage a stunt that really makes BushCo look all the more stupid, blind and impotent?

Just IMO, but my first reaction to the shoe-business was along the lines of, "Okay, right-wingers, NOW do you get it??? The people of Iraq do NOT want the U.S. in their country!"

The U.S. involvement in the ME is the last embattled fly-speck of propaganda-ground that BushCo has to teeter upon with their base -- all that "spreading freedom" and "making us safer" crap -- but now, even that's been thoroughly undone.

For my money, the shoe-throwing incident and resulting demonstrations have served to underscore what a ***miserable failure*** this unlawful, immoral, wasteful war this has been.

on edit: typos!

[NoPasaran]

102. Well, it's true

No matter how cynical you get, it really is impossible to keep up.

[EstimatedProphet]

104. .