Oops Toyota suspends construction of $300M plant

[malaise]

in Mississippi. So much for your votes against the big three you dumb stupid Senators from the South.

from GEM$NBC.


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[Fumesucker]

1. Toyota is building a planet?

In our solar system or some other. :)

[malaise]

2. LOL

Corrected before you posted. Damn you're quick. :rofl:

[Fumesucker]

4. I don't know why, but I find titles the hardest thing to get right..

I screw up my titles on a regular basis, so don't feel bad.

[malaise]

11. I love laughing

even at myself. :hi:

[SoCalDem]

30. Prius, 10th Rock from the Sun

:rofl:

[bluestateguy]

3. Chickens roosting

Oh oops, did I say that?

[madokie]

5. You know I think with the changes we're going to be making

with Obama as our leader it won't really matter anymore because we're for the most part going to be buying American products such as from the big three, if Chrysler makes it, vehicles rather than buy the foreign owned companies products and not just in automobiles either. I feel a complete change in how things are. I keep hearing Obama saying things like they're going to purpose some bold changes and what I'm thinking is coming would fit under that being bold statement.

Maybe I just have too much optimism I don't know

Change would be America doing most of its business in a more conducive manner for the benefit for all from the poor to the rich. Thats what I'm pulling for.

[GrizzlyMan]

9. My next car will be a Honda or Toyota

What Obama and the "Buy 'Murican" digital storm troopers on DU have to say about that won't matter to me at all.

[spoony]

13. It's nice that you're proud to be against US labour.

If everyone like you was as loud and overt, it would make it easier to know who's not on our side.

[ogneopasno]

16. Way to take a stand, I guess...

...how wonderful for you.

[AndyA]

25. Thanks for supporting your fellow Americans.

And we wonder how this country got so f*cked up. Whatever happened to pride in America? :shrug:

Shameful. :eyes:

[madokie]

28. That'll be your loss not mine

[NNN0LHI]

32. Thats good to know

Now I can avoid Oklahoma in any of my future travel plans. Don't want to spend any of my tourist dollars in your state. Not even on gas or lodging. I will also remind people I know to do the same.

Thank you.

Don

[Atman]

6. All those Southern Senators should line up and ask for a bailout!

:rofl:

.

[skeewee08]

7. You reap what you sow!

can't wait til the South needs a Bail Out!

[bluestateguy]

15. My wallet is closed if there is a hurricane or tornado in those states

Except for Florida, North Carolina and Virginia.

[bobbolink]

19. So, you would let poor folks die who had NO input in that decision or action?

Is that the new "progressivism"?

[pampango]

31. It's how Bush viewed New Orleans. Vote against me and see what help you get

when a disaster strikes. Guess this means that some Democrats can play "Bush hardball" even when we decry what happened to NO.

[bobbolink]

38. Thank you for your great compassion.

[pampango]

39. Sorry for any confusion. I meant that we would be showing no more compassion than

Bush did in NO, if we followed the sentiment in post 15 above. There is always a struggle in politics between "high principles" and "playing hardball". In the case of natural disasters, most of us would not tighten the purse strings for partisan reasons. :hi:

[bobbolink]

40. If our only standard is *, then what good are we?

[MadHound]

8. So you're celebrating the fact that Mississippi won't have more decent job creation

Screw the workers down there, we want our schadenfreude:eyes:

[malaise]

12. Where did you see the celebrations?

In this life we all reap what we sow.

[MadHound]

14. All up and down this post,

The schadenfreude and glee are positively dripping.

The workers down there didn't sow this, only those Senators did. This failure to place a plant doesn't punish the Senators, but it does punish the workers.

[bobbolink]

20. "The workers down there didn't sow this, only those Senators did. "

"Progressives" shouldn't have to be told this very basic fact.

What a very sad pass we've come to.

[ogneopasno]

17. UAW workers are standing up for themselves...

...maybe the workers "down there" could too, and I would care.

[MadHound]

18. Maybe they have, but the trouble with working in a "right to work" state is that

You can be fired at anytime for anything. I live in such a state, and though I successfully unionized two workplaces, it cost me my job at one, and damn near cost me my job at the other. At the time I was young, idealistic, and didn't have family responsibilities, so thus could take the hit. Lots of people can't however, so they are simply forced into going along to get along, keep their job and raise their family.

Judging an entire group of people when you don't know their circumstances is simply wrong.

[bobbolink]

22. "Judging an entire group of people when you don't know their circumstances is simply wrong. "

Yes, indeed.

It's called bigotry.

Prejudice.

[ogneopasno]

23. I take your point on organizing in a right-to-work state,

although you are incorrect on what a "right-to-work state" is. What you are describing is at-will employment.

Knowing what union activists, organizers and their families go through make me more inclined to get annoyed with and have little pity for people who "go along to get along." People stood up in the face of laws, hostile police, guns and threats to their children to organize. I'm not saying we all need to take a bullet, but I do understand it costs to do the right thing. But in the end, it IS the right thing, to stand up for yourself.

[MadHound]

24. Frankly we're talking about some of the most dirt poor states

That has never had an industrial base. If workers unionized one of the plants down there, how long do you think before other plants are pulled out and moved to Mexico or where ever. I've seen it happen time and again in other manufacturing industries and it would happen in the automotive industry as well. What's the use of winning a war when everybody dies anyway:shrug:

The workers in the South can't afford pyrrhic victories, but they do need jobs. These plants, even though they underpay their workers, provide some of the best living going down there, and in an area where decent paying jobs are scarce on the ground, people aren't going to drive them away. It's all fine and grand to say "fight the good fight", but when it's not just your ass on the line, but your family, your entire community, that's another matter all together. Having a plant move wouldn't mean that just you takes the bullet, but the entire region. How many people want that on their conscience?

[ogneopasno]

27. But by settling for lower wages,

these people have ruined it for those who stood up for higher wages elsewhere who have "fought the good fight." Do they know that's on their conscience? Is it really low wages keeping the plants in the south? If it's low wages, why don't they go to a place where there are even lower wages?

We are all so close to uniting all together, to really bringing it to the owners and bosses in this nation...it's so frustrating when one region sells itself out and another region is stuck with it.

[MadHound]

29. Hmm, let's see, you haven't had a job in six months,

Neither have your friends or family. Along comes a new car factory offering fourteen dollars an hour to start. Are you going to turn it down, stand on principle, stand in solidarity with your fellow workers in the north(who by the by have been bashing your region for decades), or will you take the job, feed your family and provide hope and opportunity for your children?

It's easy to condemn somebody for looking out for their own rather than joining in the Grand(though non-existent) Workers' Revolution when you've got a roof over your head and a full belly. However try looking at the matter as though the wolf was at your door instead. You'll find that your answer will change and your condemnation will turn to understanding.

[NNN0LHI]

33. And without a union what stops them from only paying minimum wage?

Nothing. Right?

Keep cutting your own throat financially.

See where it gets you.

Don

[ogneopasno]

36. Friend, that wolf has been at my door.

He damn near set up shop on the porch. And we've had the choice of settling or holding out. My answer doesn't change. I do know people's situations can be different than ours, and I know there are things some people just cannot do. But I find it hard to believe that that's the case all the time.

And as long as people are taking lower-paying jobs out of revenge, nothing is going to get done.

[Romulox]

35. If you want to COMPETE for jobs, quit whining when we fight back.

We're not going to lay down and die for you out of pity. :hi:

[ogneopasno]

37. Right on.

Too bad working for lower wages isn't competing.

[Skink]

10. I'm pretty sure planets cost a lot more than that.

[malaise]

21. LOL

:D

[IDemo]

41. You can get one for $29.95 at PlanetBarn

[madrchsod]

26. it`s a house of cards and those "good ole boys" fucked up....

they thought their auto assembly plants would`t be affected.......

[SpiralHawk]

34. Thanks a pantload, republicon 'conservatives'

You have trashed America's economy, environment, and honor...